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02-18-2011, 10:24 PM #1
The Unions are full bore now in Wisconsin..
Is asking to pay up to 17% of benefits worth all this . And of course our president has to throw his 2 cents in saying it's an all out assault on Unions ..
02-18-2011, 10:48 PM #2
What side do you guys want to hear? I work and attend UWSP and I have gotten quite a bit of info on everything LOL.
Depending on who you talk to you get a different answer. I have heard all of the following and then some. I do believe these all have merit as well.
#1)This is Scott Walker attacking those who didn't support him(Emergency workers and officers of the law are exempt from this bill - They both supported Scott Walker)
#2)The state is in a 3.6 billion dollar deficit(This number has been tossed around extensively. This is the most common number.
#3)Wisconsin was set to have a surplus at the end of this fiscal year.(This one upsets me more then anything. These numbers came from a "non partisan" group on a neutral website. Walker spent 141 million in 5 days with a projected surplus of 126 million by the end of the year.
#4)Teachers are overpaid(Depends on where you look. I heard one report on a republican station that said Milwaukee schools average 100k for a starting salary. I can give you 95 other schools who average under 50k for starting salaries. Hell, only a handful of people at UWSP make 6 figures with our chancellor making 200k)
#5)The other big point that is rather upsetting. Walker is URGING this bill through ASAP. The strike by the democrats is fair for the one and only reason that it gives this bill some time in the spot light.
I can go on and on, but this is a good starting point.
02-18-2011, 10:56 PM #3
I don't think Public employees should be unionized personally. They are paid with tax payers $$$ and should not have sweetheart deals. I heard on the radio today people complaining that we need to think about our children ect, ect.
Really? What does this have to do with the education of our children? The left is nuts with this union crap. These unions do nothing but strongarm the states for perks and job security while the education in the public schools keeps slipping.
If the lefty union hacks really cared about the kids, they would see that school choice and teacher merits would probably be a good thing. Instead they are just concerned at being paid 50-75k per year with benefits until everyone is broke.....
Just my .02 ;)
02-18-2011, 11:47 PM #4
My sister is going to school to become a teacher. I can tell you that staying in this state is now out the window for her. After spending 5 years in college, what kind of starting salary are you expecting her to get?
When you say 50-75k do you mean with benefits? Everybody makes 50-75k with their benefits package. I can tell you that in this state, over half of these teachers don't enter with a 50k salary.
I will also be the first to admit, everybody needs to make concessions in a time like this. But what is being proposed here is rather excessive.
02-18-2011, 11:50 PM #5
Another thing I don't like about this is ...
The Democratic National Committee's Organizing for America arm -- the remnant of the 2008 Obama campaign -- is playing an active role in organizing protests against Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's attempt to strip most public employees of collective bargaining rights.
If this is really about the local teachers why does Obama's Goons get involed .The turnout would not be half of what it is if the DNC goons weren't BUSED in and givin a free lunch and bus ride ..
02-19-2011, 12:08 AM #6
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02-19-2011, 09:02 AM #9
I'll leave with one more thought, when I was growing up, teaching was a public service that you did because you were compelled to make a difference in peoples lives. When did that change?
02-19-2011, 09:04 AM #10