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  1. #501
    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Cards View Post
    Isn't this what SanFran has done to Islam? In my opinion Habs is simply stating that both Islam and Christianity have some very harsh entries speaking of how people of different religions should be handled. If you can say that this is not the teaching of Christianity today why can't the same be said for Islam?
    Islam has no Messiah. With Jesus' death and resurrection the old Mosaic law was fulfilled and death was defeated. This may be hard to believe but it is the fundamental belief of all Christians. Although the Mosaic Law is useful for pointing us in the right direction towards God, it is moot in terms of how we practice our faith. Islam has no Messiah releasing them from the doctrine that you all quoted from the Koran. I don't know the Koran enough to know whether it's literal or not, but I can say for Christianity and the Bible, the harsh images and stories no longer apply to our times because of Jesus' death and resurrection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post
    More hypocricy! A "good Christian" finds agreement in the musings of an Atheist website when it concerns a rival religion. That's too funny.
    Wouldn't the atheist would be the most impartial source? I am more than willing to read a scholarly Muslim viewpoint on the issue if you present one.

    How would you have had me respond? It is becoming apparent to me that no answer of mine would be satisfactory to you.
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    And let's not forget the new testament.

    1. Matthew
    2. Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
    3. Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
    4. Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
    5. Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
    6. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
    7. "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
    8. Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
    9. Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
    10. Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15
    11. Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
    12. Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
    13. Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
    14. Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
    15. Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
    16. Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
    17. Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
    18. In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35
    19. "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34
    20. In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13
    21. Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
    22. God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51
    23. The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
    24. Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
    25. Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
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    26. Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTaxMan View Post
    I invite you to find me something that refutes it. Did you read the article I posted above?
    that refutes what exactly? Islam being malicious to any other religion?

    I guess what refutes it for me is the fact that I have not been killed by the church of islam that practices dow the street from my house for not converting to Islam. Sure there are some extremists of Islam that have done this, but if the whole religion was following this belief there'd certainly be many more attacks on non-muslims, or at least I would think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTaxMan View Post
    Please stop pulling old Mosaic law out of the Bible and insinuating that it is was Christianity teaches. Haven't we beaten this dead horse enough?
    Oh, I get it. You can do it with Islamic text, but we can't do so with Christian text. Again, too funny!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wudeverbro View Post
    Islam has no Messiah. With Jesus' death and resurrection the old Mosaic law was fulfilled and death was defeated. This may be hard to believe but it is the fundamental belief of all Christians. Although the Mosaic Law is useful for pointing us in the right direction towards God, it is moot in terms of how we practice our faith. Islam has no Messiah releasing them from the doctrine that you all quoted from the Koran. I don't know the Koran enough to know whether it's literal or not, but I can say for Christianity and the Bible, the harsh images and stories no longer apply to our times because of Jesus' death and resurrection.
    interesting, so could the same be said about the Koran? Could it be said that the harsh images and stories and rules are no longer apply?
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    Quote Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post
    Oh, I get it. You can do it with Islamic text, but we can't do so with Christian text. Again, too funny!!!
    Again, you are all talk but no substance. Give me something that refutes it, and I will read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTaxMan View Post
    Wouldn't the atheist would be the most impartial source? I am more than willing to read a scholarly Muslim viewpoint on the issue if you present one.

    How would you have had me respond? It is becoming apparent to me that no answer of mine would be satisfactory to you.
    Yes, the Atheist would be the most impartial source. I agree with you. You must then agree that the Atheist's musing about Christianity are just as valid as his beliefs about Islam. Glad to see you are starting to see the Light!
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  9. #509
    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Cards View Post
    interesting, so could the same be said about the Koran? Could it be said that the harsh images and stories and rules are no longer apply?
    as I stated earlier, Islam has no Messiah. I can't say what those texts really mean but I do know Islam does not believe in Jesus other than that he was a prophet and not a Messiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTaxMan View Post
    Again, you are all talk but no substance. Give me something that refutes it, and I will read it.
    Where did I say that I refute it?
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