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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post
    If I had it my way, guns would be banned altogether.
    Banned like drugs or banned like illegal immigrants? In case you haven't noticed the United States can't keep out anything so saying something and doing something is totally different. You also have 200+ million guns in the country. How would you go about confiscating them?

    People don't listen to the ban on killing people so why would they give two s about the ban on guns. Killers are going to kill. Yeah if you could push a button and make all guns disappear that would be great. Would be nice to push a button and get rid of killers, rapists, robbers, thieves, etc. but that isn't going to happen either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post
    Forgive my lack of knowledge with the historical significance of the 2nd Amendment, but I always thought that it had something to do with having an able and ready militia. I have a hard time believing that the founding fathers had "everyone packing automatic weapons at the supermarket" in mind. But I could be wrong.
    Certainly not, because automatic weapons hadn't been invented then. The "arms" that existed at the time were muskets.

    The text of the amendment is as follows: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." There's debate over whether they meant for firearms to be available only to a state militia or to all law-abiding citizens, but in practice the courts have gone with the latter. The idea was discussed at length in the 2008 Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller.

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    Guns don't kill people !


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  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by INTIMADATOR2007 View Post
    So, If your at home on relaxing evening with your wife and kids and someone kicks in your door and takes your kid , would you just watch them leave with your child and hope they bring em' back . It may not happen in Canada but it happens alot in America , That's why we have the right to bear arms .

    What is the laws concerning firearms in canada and protecting yourself against an armed intruder ?
    I would not do anything to aggravate the situation and call 911 after they left. Knowing my kids, they would return them to me anyway.

    Not exactly sure what the laws are considering I do not own a gun. I believe they are similar to laws in the States.

    We had an incident a few weeks ago where two intruders entered a home in a robbery attempt. The father and son at home at the time got into an altercation with the intruders and the son was shot and killed. The shooter was his father. As of today, no charges have been laid. The intruders escaped in the confusion.

    Here's a link to the actual incident:

    http://www.globalmaritimes.com/world...991/story.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post
    Forgive my lack of knowledge with the historical significance of the 2nd Amendment, but I always thought that it had something to do with having an able and ready militia. I have a hard time believing that the founding fathers had "everyone packing automatic weapons at the supermarket" in mind. But I could be wrong.
    Actually, that is all but banned. It is illegal for a civilian to own a fully automatic weapon manufactured after 1986. To own a fully auto weapon manufactured prior to 1986, "a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the ATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence. " (source) So if that was to happen, it's either already illegal or someone who has gone through extremely rigorous permit processes and is well monitored.

    It always astounds me how little the anti-gun folk actually know about firearms, their sale/ownership, gun crime statistics, etc. A little education could go a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwaldo View Post
    Banned like drugs or banned like illegal immigrants? In case you haven't noticed the United States can't keep out anything so saying something and doing something is totally different. You also have 200+ million guns in the country. How would you go about confiscating them?

    People don't listen to the ban on killing people so why would they give two s about the ban on guns. Killers are going to kill. Yeah if you could push a button and make all guns disappear that would be great. Would be nice to push a button and get rid of killers, rapists, robbers, thieves, etc. but that isn't going to happen either.
    I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought it was possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OnePimpTiger View Post
    Actually, that is all but banned. It is illegal for a civilian to own a fully automatic weapon manufactured after 1986. To own a fully auto weapon manufactured prior to 1986, "a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the ATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of "reasonable necessity," and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant "would be consistent with public safety." The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant's residence. " (source) So if that was to happen, it's either already illegal or someone who has gone through extremely rigorous permit processes and is well monitored.

    It always astounds me how little the anti-gun folk actually know about firearms, their sale/ownership, gun crime statistics, etc. A little education could go a long way.
    The "automatic weapons in the supermarket" was an exaggeration. I thought it was obvious, but I guess not. I have very little problem with law-abiding citizens owning firearms. But again, if I had it my way, no one other than law enforcement would be permitted to possess them.
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    A bit of incredible irony...the ad at the top of this page right now for me is for Front Site Firearms Training School.
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  10. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post
    The "automatic weapons in the supermarket" was an exaggeration. I thought it was obvious, but I guess not. I have very little problem with law-abiding citizens owning firearms. But again, if I had it my way, no one other than law enforcement would be permitted to possess them.

    I agree with you on a lot of things but you are way off on this one. No way would I want to live in a society where the police has al the power and I have no way to defend myself. Sounds a lot like nazi germany to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTIMADATOR2007 View Post
    Let me see if I understand ya' on this one .

    You are saying we should have a picture ID like a drivers license in order to have a gun ?
    However when we require someone have a picture id to prove they are legal citizens to vote or reside in this country there is a problem with that .

    I'm all for the right to self defense especially to protect oneself from people who don't respect the rights of others. I am very much against jim crow laws however.
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