2012 Official NEW YORK YANKEES THREAD.

**gladdyontherise** · 11-01-2011, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by NickDee

Jordan Zimm?? According to B-ref hes a FA in 2016 (4 yrs of arb).

Oh thought you were talking about Ryan Zimmerman lol. Yea Jordan Zimmerman is under team control for 4 more years.

Originally Posted by spuds1961

As long as too much isn't asked for Danks he would be a decent addition,I just don't want to trade any pitching prospects for him,I keep thinking of what happened with Ian Kennedy,but at least they got Granderson out of that deal.

Tigers fans would take the deal every day of the week also

**NickDee** · 11-01-2011, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by gladdyontherise

Oh thought you were talking about Ryan Zimmerman lol. Yea Jordan Zimmerman is under team control for 4 more years.

Tigers fans would take the deal every day of the week also

Yea? You'd rather have Ajax and Scherzer over Granderson? I refuse to include Phil Coke because he is trash haha.

**NickDee** · 11-01-2011, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by NickDee

Yea? You'd rather have Ajax and Scherzer over Granderson? I refuse to include Phil Coke because he is trash haha.

By the way, I'm not being sarcastic, seriously asking your opinion haha.

**gladdyontherise** · 11-01-2011, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by NickDee

Yea? You'd rather have Ajax and Scherzer over Granderson? I refuse to include Phil Coke because he is trash haha.

100% yes. And several reasons

1) Scherzer didn't have a good year this past season, but he had a nice 2010 season, its more about consistency then him as a pitcher.

2) Scherzer was a key reason why the Tigers beat the Yankees in the ALDS. Winning game 2 and building the bridge in game 5 to Benoit/Valverde

3) Austin Jackson is a gold glove caliber center fielder. He's only 24 and under team control for several seasons. One good year one bad year (offensively)

4) There were signs Granderson wasn't planning on resigning with Detroit so they got a nice return for him.

5) Granderson as a Tiger wouldn't be as good as Granderson as a Yankee. His swing was not good, and the Yankees "fixed it"

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I would never say any of the players the Tigers got are as good or better than Granderson, however it made them a more complete team. Granderson's defense especially in Commerica Park got really bad sometimes. He makes the flashy plays but Austin Jackson saves runs, Granderson doesn't. Scherzer is 27, if he is more consistent next year he'll have a fine season. Coke had a bad year as a starter, but in the bullpen he does fine in his role. If Schlereth ever gets some fastball control, he'd be a nice piece in the bullpen also.

Now I need to ask you a question. Lets say the trade never happens, do the Tigers make the playoffs in 2011 with just Granderson and no Jackson, Scherzer, Coke, Schlereth?

**NickDee** · 11-01-2011, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by gladdyontherise

100% yes. And several reasons

1) Scherzer didn't have a good year this past season, but he had a nice 2010 season, its more about consistency then him as a pitcher.

2) Scherzer was a key reason why the Tigers beat the Yankees in the ALDS. Winning game 2 and building the bridge in game 5 to Benoit/Valverde

3) Austin Jackson is a gold glove caliber center fielder. He's only 24 and under team control for several seasons. One good year one bad year (offensively)

4) There were signs Granderson wasn't planning on resigning with Detroit so they got a nice return for him.

5) Granderson as a Tiger wouldn't be as good as Granderson as a Yankee. His swing was not good, and the Yankees "fixed it"

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I would never say any of the players the Tigers got are as good or better than Granderson, however it made them a more complete team. Granderson's defense especially in Commerica Park got really bad sometimes. He makes the flashy plays but Austin Jackson saves runs, Granderson doesn't. Scherzer is 27, if he is more consistent next year he'll have a fine season. Coke had a bad year as a starter, but in the bullpen he does fine in his role. If Schlereth ever gets some fastball control, he'd be a nice piece in the bullpen also.

Now I need to ask you a question. Lets say the trade never happens, do the Tigers make the playoffs in 2011 with just Granderson and no Jackson, Scherzer, Coke, Schlereth?

Thanks for clearing that up! I will answer your last question first, Yes they probably make the playoffs this year bc the Central was quite awful lol. Everyone underperformed (outside of the Tigers) so I can definitely see them winning without Scherzer, and Granderson definitely has a better season that AJax. But it makes sense that it made them a complete team. So I can see why you'd make that trade over again.

The trade somehow helped out all 3 teams, and I think everyone is pretty happy about it.

**gladdyontherise** · 11-01-2011, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by NickDee

Thanks for clearing that up! I will answer your last question first, Yes they probably make the playoffs this year bc the Central was quite awful lol. Everyone underperformed (outside of the Tigers) so I can definitely see them winning without Scherzer, and Granderson definitely has a better season that AJax. But it makes sense that it made them a complete team. So I can see why you'd make that trade over again.

The trade somehow helped out all 3 teams, and I think everyone is pretty happy about it.

I'm gonna add one thing, you have the Curtis Granderson from 09 not the 11 Granderson. Your rotation atleast until the trade deadline starts out as Verlander, Porcello, Penny, (insert #4/#5 starter)

They may make the playoffs, (although I'm not sure they do, would depend who the other 2 starters are) but they defintly never win a postseason series and get to game 6 of the ALCS, right?

**NickDee** · 11-01-2011, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by gladdyontherise

I'm gonna add one thing, you have the Curtis Granderson from 09 not the 11 Granderson. Your rotation atleast until the trade deadline starts out as Verlander, Porcello, Penny, (insert #4/#5 starter)

They may make the playoffs, (although I'm not sure they do, would depend who the other 2 starters are) but they defintly never win a postseason series and get to game 6 of the ALCS, right?

Yeah that seems like a fair statement. The trade definitely makes the team better, especially since Granderson wouldn't have his swing "fixed".

**spuds1961** · 11-01-2011, 02:20 PM

I agree that it was a trade that helped all 3 teams involved,which is extremely rare in itself,no team came out feeling like a sucker.

More Yankee news they just resigned gm Brian Cashman for 3 more years,have a feeling this is going to be a busy off season,now if only I could see the headlines Alex Rodriguez traded for Evan LONGORIA,ONE CAN DREAM CAN'T ONE.

**angel0430** · 11-01-2011, 04:42 PM

The Yankees need to get rid of Arod and Jeter to bring younger and productive players into the line up....wait, why do I care. I hate the Yankees....lol

**NickDee** · 11-01-2011, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by angel0430

The Yankees need to get rid of Arod and Jeter to bring younger and productive players into the line up....wait, why do I care. I hate the Yankees....lol

as much as Arod's contract sucks, he looked awesome fielding the ball in the ALDS, so he can still play there for a few more years.... Jeter on the other hand....hahahah