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    Peyton Manning via Foundation

    Just did a bunch of comparing between these "success" and guaranteed authentic autos from UDA and Steiner... Gotta say I now know why these r coming back from JSA and PSA as not real. Lots of differences.. Let's look at them:

    TTM: almost full first name is signed Peyton.
    Authentic: almost all signatures end with the T.
    TTM: Larger M than the authentic in EVERY instance. The 'Ing in the TTM is completely off between TTM and authentic...

    Sorry guys I have to say they aren't real.

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    I just got out the first Manning that I got TTM back in '09...the three things you pointed out (first name being full compared to shortened; size of "M" and the "-ing") are all consistent with mine compared to all the certs I just looked up. Not sure what you're seeing, but I don't see it.

    I'll pull out my other two when I get more free time, but the first one is almost identical to the UD/Panini/Topps autographs.
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    This look authentic?

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    good grief.. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT A FUTURE HOF PLAYER MIGHT ACTUALLY SIGN TMM!!!! how many times dpo we need to go over this?

    Every single TTM i have ever seen is consistent with one another & consistent with the certified autos.

    Really think your splitting hairs here 1990score. If you have proof would LOVE to see a scan, pic, drawing, whatever you got because im not buying it.

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    Good grief.. What?? The following illustrates my point perfectly.. And why are all these coming back from the two most prominent authentication companies as not real? Huh?

    TTM - http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r31267.jpg

    Steiner AUTHENTIC- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=190544648692

    It's not even close.....

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    lets look into this alittle Further.. Here are 3 certified autos i found on the first page of ebay.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/PEYTON-MANNI...ht_3659wt_1163


    http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Upper-D...#ht_556wt_1163


    http://www.ebay.com/itm/03-Ultimate-...ht_1103wt_1163


    as you can see, All are very consistent to one another, Here are the some TTM returns i have gotten over the years..








    only main difference i see is maybe a discrepancy with the "loop" of the "G" in Manning & that would hardly constitute a fake result in all Manning TTM returns Because there are plenty on page 2 & 3 of ebay with " loops " in the "G". I just went off of what i found on page 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1990score View Post
    Good grief.. What?? The following illustrates my point perfectly.. And why are all these coming back from the two most prominent authentication companies as not real? Huh?

    TTM - http://www.sportscardforum.com/ttm/r31267.jpg

    Steiner AUTHENTIC- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=190544648692

    It's not even close.....
    Hard telling with them. If you take there word as GOD in this hobby then thats on you. Somethings they get right, some things they are WAYYYYYYYYYY off base on. I would like to ask them myself why they feel they are fake.

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    I don't see much of a difference. If there is any, it is slight and I don't think would constitute TTM returns as "Fake." The TTM return used as an example in the original post is a baseball. I think the medium on which the signature is signed matters. A baseball, especially for a football player, is a bit more awkward to sign than a flat. I think with a item shaped as a baseball, more time would be taken into signing the item. Therefore, as a result, a more readable and clear signature vs. more rushed sigs on flats

    I'm not saying this is "truth." Only my theory on that specific example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JVazz29 View Post
    I don't see much of a difference. If there is any, it is slight and I don't think would constitute TTM returns as "Fake." The TTM return used as an example in the original post is a baseball. I think the medium on which the signature is signed matters. A baseball, especially for a football player, is a bit more awkward to sign than a flat. I think with a item shaped as a baseball, more time would be taken into signing the item. Therefore, as a result, a more readable and clear signature vs. more rushed sigs on flats

    I'm not saying this is "truth." Only my theory on that specific example.
    agreed.

    I've said this 100 times, but Peyton and his foundation would not take donations from fans who are under the impression that they are getting an autograph from Peyton in exchange for their donation. i know he's been signing for free at times, but I'm sure that's so his foundation doesn't get in trouble for "charging" for autographs. they're real.

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