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    Obama's Rhetoric

    Barack Obama's great rhetorical gifts include the ability to make the absurd sound not only plausible, but inspiring and profound.His latest verbal triumph was to say on July 13th, "if you've been successful, you didn't...

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    As usual, Sowell hits the nail on the head.
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    As usual, Sowell hits the nail on the head.
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    Talk about missing the point.
    The point is "somebody helped you, don't be afraid to help someone else."
    To even suggest it's about taking away freedom is ludicrous. Sowell hit something on the head, but I think it was himself. Why are Republicans:

    A - So convinced they did everything themselves?
    B - So against any help of any kind for anyone but themselves?
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    if help comes with conditions, then i can just mustard through it myself.

    i have no problems helping others, but i expect nothing in return, when the government does the same, then i will jump on the bandwagon.

    and their is a big difference in helping and giving
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Talk about missing the point.
    The point is "somebody helped you, don't be afraid to help someone else."
    To even suggest it's about taking away freedom is ludicrous. Sowell hit something on the head, but I think it was himself. Why are Republicans:

    A - So convinced they did everything themselves?
    B - So against any help of any kind for anyone but themselves?
    No, you are missing the point. It was about the collective being more responsible for a person's success than the individual. It was CLEARLY about how individual success is built largely on the shoulders of government/others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AUTaxMan View Post
    No, you are missing the point. It was about the collective being more responsible for a person's success than the individual. It was CLEARLY about how individual success is built largely on the shoulders of government/others.
    I believe you to be completely incorrect and I believe you agree with this because you don't like Obama and no other reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    I believe you to be completely incorrect and I believe you agree with this because you don't like Obama and no other reason.
    Why do you disagree? What was the point of Obama's speech? The premise of the speech was that because you didn't build your business on your own, you have a moral obligation to pay higher taxes-- to "give back" to the government. One of the flaws in this logic is that both the unsuccessful and the successful have at the very least been equally benefited by government services. Many would argue that the unsuccessful have been benefited much more by the government than the successful, since they pay in less and receive more in benefits.
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    Where am I wrong. Please explain. Try to use reason and logic while formulating a response.
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