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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    really? so you watched it?

    did you see the exchange about tax cuts? if i had to declare a winner, this exchange would prove ryan won.

    if so, how can you say biden knows how to debate? and who cares what the GOP says? you, when it is conveinent?
    Yes, I watched (or at least listened to) the whole debate, tax cuts included. Did YOU see the debate on Iraq, the stimulus, abortion, the 47%, etc? Which of those portions did he win? Better yet, which of those did he not look like a fool?

    And I don't care what the GOP has to say. That is why i said "even" the GOP.
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    I don't think he knew where he was...
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    smirking, laughing, and interupting, is not how to debate, and yes i watched it all, biden did not win anything, he was shown to be a liar right there on TV, busted and did not even have the guts to admit he was wrong, instead he deployed the old tactic, change the subject.

    biden sucks at debating, but ryan isn't any better, but alleast he had facts to back up what he said, while biden tried to prove him wrong, was called on it, and all he did was change the subject.

    if not, explain this

    RYAN: He is wrong about that. They’re…

    BIDEN: How’s that?

    RYAN: You can — you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayers…

    BIDEN: Not mathematically possible.

    RYAN: It is mathematically possible. It’s been done before. It’s precisely what we’re proposing.

    BIDEN: It has never been done before.

    RYAN: It’s been done a couple of times, actually.

    BIDEN: It has never been done before.

    RYAN: Jack Kennedy lowered tax rates, increased growth. Ronald Reagan…

    BIDEN: Oh, now you’re Jack Kennedy?
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    I see Ryan conituing to refuse to explain how he plans on making things revenue neutral. He may have facts right there, but there's no way he can cut all the taxes he wants to and keep everything else the same.
    So he's going to spend the same amount, but take in less. Yet he refuses to say how that's possible. He says it's been done before, but what is "it".
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    you can cut tax rates by 20 percent and still preserve these important preferences for middle-class taxpayers…
    the same thing Reagan and Jack Kennedy did, if you don't know what they did, look it. he would not have had time to explain in detail, neither of them did.

    the point i am making, biden said it was not possible nor ever done, he was proven wrong, it has been done so it is possible.
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    So Ryan's platform is "look it up"?

    To me it looks like he's not saying anything so when he does cut everything, and he will, he can say, "I never said I wouldn't"
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    the same thing Reagan and Jack Kennedy did, if you don't know what they did, look it. he would not have had time to explain in detail, neither of them did.

    the point i am making, biden said it was not possible nor ever done, he was proven wrong, it has been done so it is possible.
    The cuts Reagan and Kennedy made were made at a time when the rates were astronomical. Comparing it to now, when the rates are not even half as high as then is disingenuous at best. That is why Biden called him on it. The math will not work. Everyone knows it, Romney & Ryan included. That is why they won't reveal details, because they can't.
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    Cutting Taxes = More Jobs = more tax payers that's how they do it !
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    Cutting Taxes = More Jobs = more tax payers that's how they do it !
    Kind of like the Bush tax cuts that have been going on for how long now? You keep drinking that kool-aid.
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    Democrats should be embarrassed by the way Biden acted during the debate. But they are not and that is because he showed what the democrats are about , Rude , Disrespectful, Annoying ,Distracting ,and Dishonest everything the democrats support , but instead he embarrassed himself and the party . The fact checkers have already slammed his lies he told but the left media doesn't want the kool aide drinkers to know that , so you guys go ahead and think Joey did you guys good . Truth is he is helping to add to the shalacking that will be the presidential race . This defeat of Obama is going to bigger than I even think !
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