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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    In which case the government should tell them to to back and do it right. But why is there the 25,000 stipulation for an official response?
    Well that is classic irony. The First Amendment allows citizens to petition any branch of the government. It does not clarify how, why , or when a branch must respond from my understanding. The Obama administration set up the rules of 25k in 30 days from my understanding.
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    Don't care who.set it up, just that it exists. If you say you can't petition for secession, you're taking away freedom of speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Don't care who.set it up, just that it exists. If you say you can't petition for secession, you're taking away freedom of speech.
    They can petition, just do it the legal way. It is like public space laws. People can protest with a permit. Or you might get arrested.

    I,also, find it ironic that people are doing something that might be interpreted as illegal and not realize it.
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    madman, you are more than likely right about that
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    madman, you are more than likely right about that
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtom2005 View Post
    They can petition, just do it the legal way. It is like public space laws. People can protest with a permit. Or you might get arrested.

    I,also, find it ironic that people are doing something that might be interpreted as illegal and not realize it.
    Wouldn't what you described be more of a referendum than a petition though?

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    Wouldn't what you described be more of a referendum than a petition though?
    No it says petition on the site. If states are wanting to leave, they need to petition the other states or state that in any petition to the federal government. Do I think people will get arrested for this? No. Do I think they are opening themselves for possible arrest? Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtom2005 View Post
    No it says petition on the site. If states are wanting to leave, they need to petition the other states or state that in any petition to the federal government. Do I think people will get arrested for this? No. Do I think they are opening themselves for possible arrest? Yes.
    That system makes little sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    That system makes little sense.
    Yeah, I know. It is likely based on the Civil War. The North won,so the rules were set-up that way. The ruling by the Supreme Court was made relatively soon after the war ended. That is why I am saying it might change if brought uP to the courts again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtom2005 View Post
    Yeah, I know. It is likely based on the Civil War, the North won,so the rules were set-up that way. The ruling by the Supreme Court was made relatively soon after the war ended. That is why I am saying it might change if brought uP to the courts again.
    Well maybe this is step one. I still don't see how it's as bad as some say it is.

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