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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAlex View Post
    The people who signed this petition are literally traitors and un-American.....Seriously, what is MORE un-American than wanting to secede?

    They don't care about the constitution, and they're too cowardly to move out of the U.S because.....NEWS FLASH, the majority of the first world is MUCH more progressive and "liberal" compared to the U.S.

    In almost every 1st world country they have socialized health care, entitlement programs, strict gun laws, and much more progressive governments.
    Ron Paul does a very good job of answering JustAlex's cries of traitor:

    This weekend I got a couple of calls from the media asking me questions about Rick Perry, our governor here in Texas and the statements he made about possible secession. Now, he didnít call for secession, but he was restating a principle that was long held and at least in the original time of our country, and that is that there was a right to secession.

    Actually, after the Civil War, nobody believes there is a so-called right to secession, but it is a very legitimate issue to debate because all of the states that came into the Union before the Civil War believed they had a right to secede and New England in the early part of the 19th century actually considered it, and nobody questioned them about whether they had the right to do it or not. Since the Civil War, itís been sort of a dead issue, but he brought it up. It stirred the media and believe me, it really stirred some of the liberal media where they started really screaming about what is going on here. ďThis is un-AmericanĒ, I heard one individual say, ďThis is treasonous to even talk about it.Ē

    Well, they donít know their history very well because if they think about it, itís an American tradition. Itís very American to talk about secession. Thatís how we came into being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country, so secession is very much an American principle.

    What about all the strong endorsements we have given over the past decade or two of those republics that seceded from the Soviet system? We were delighted with this. We never said, ďOh no. Secession is treasonousĒ.

    No. Secession is a good principle. Just think of the benefits that would have come over these last 230-some years if the principle of secession had existed. That means the federal government would always have been restrained, not to overburden the states with too much federalism, too many federal rules and regulations.

    But since that was all wiped out with the Civil War, the federal government has grown by leaps and bounds and we have suffered the consequences, and we need to reconsider this. Itís not un-American to think about the possibility of secession. This is something thatís voluntary. We came together voluntarily. A free society means you can dissolve it voluntarily. That was the whole issue was about.

    Just remember one of the reasons that Wilson drove us in unnecessarily into World War I. He talked about what we have to give, have every country in the world the benefit of self-determination, a good principle. Of course, I donít think he really believed that. But self-determination is a good principle. Itís a very American principle, so to me itís a shame that we canít discuss this.

    You know, itís interesting that so many of us have been taught for so many years, and as long as I can remember from the first grade on up taking the pledge of allegiance that we have a republic thatís ďindivisibleĒ and we have been preached that and preached it. So therefore, there is no contest, no question since the Civil War that we have even the thought that this could happen.

    But you know what a lot of people donít talk about and they really donít even know about is who wrote the pledge to the flag. The pledge to the flag came from, for instance, Bellamy, an avowed Socialist who wanted to put into concrete in the pledge this principle of being indivisible, and he did it, you know, for the celebration ironically 400 years of the celebration of the landing of Christopher Columbus, so it was in 1892.

    I mean, the pledge of allegiance has not been here, you know, all our history. So I think itís worth of discussion. I think people should discuss this because right now, the American people are sick and tired of it all and I think the time will come when people will consider it much more seriously is when the federal government can no longer deliver. That time will come when the dollar collapses.

    No matter what they do and how many promises they have and how many bailouts they have, they canít do it if the money doesnít work. So then, the independence of the states will come back and it doesnít mean that youíll be un-American to even contemplate what might have to be done once the dollar crashes.
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    Just more proof why Ron Paul was not is not a very good candidate for President.
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    He's not wrong. The US is supposed to be a collection of independent states running themselves. That doesn't exist anymore. Neither political party wants it to exist either. Too much money to be made this way.
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    nice racist stereotype cartoon there
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    Found this article that was made yesterday 14th of November;

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,4408092.story
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    Racist?
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    you don't see a noose held by a white person? that is very racist and disturbing

    and Texas has nearly the same percentage of blacks as all other states, 12.2, where the average is 13.1, but no blacks are on the Texas side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zimbow View Post
    Found this article that was made yesterday 14th of November;

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,4408092.story

    I read the article. I like the petition for election day being a federal holiday. I think it should be a major fed holiday not one of those half hearted holidays like veterans day and columbus day. I also think that it should be moved to Friday so people can go to their election parties and not have to worry about driving home tipsy and having to get up to go to work/school the next day.
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