11-16-2012, 07:14 PM #101
11-16-2012, 08:31 PM #102
First of all, I have NEVER gotten mad over someone calling me un-American, I really don't care because they are using that terminology incorrect.
What I have talked about is my social ideology in regards to the U.S and Europe. I admire Europe because they are much more progressive and their politics are more in line with my own. Yes, I wish this country was more like Europe, but not to the extent that they became just like them either.
For example, I wish we had a better health care service so no American has to worry about going bankrupt because they can't pay their ridiculous medical bills, or because the FRAUDULENT insurance companies care more about billion dollar profits than actually helping people.
I wish we could realize that religion isn't the "end all be all" and we could become more moderate (at least) and stop letting every single policy be dictated by a Book!
I wish we could realize how stupid it is to spend so much money on our bloated military and start spending more of that money on infrastructure, schools, and our citizens......call me crazy but I would rather help people than kill them!
This is my ideology, call me un-American all you want but you are using the terminology wrong.
I have NEVER called anyone un-American for being anti-abortion or pro-big business or anti-gay marriage or being against any of my political views.
PLEASE, I implore you to find ANY post where I have even used the phrase "Un-American" other than this thread.
Yes, I'm using this phrase now because it's finally being used correctly.
A person who doesn't like the rules of this country and doesn't want to be part of this country anymore but not to the extent that he just leaves it and goes elsewhere, but to the extent that he HURTS this country by trying to separate it and possibly cause irrefutable damage to the rest of us.
^This is what un-American means to me.
Last edited by JustAlex; 11-16-2012 at 08:45 PM.Logic and reason is all you need.
11-16-2012, 08:33 PM #103
The Constitution states that any power not specifically delineated in the Constitution as a Federal power shall remain with the states and individuals. This has been violated in so many ways that it would be laughable for anyone to try and argue that we currently have a constitutional government.Buying "Broder" unlicensed sets and singles.
11-16-2012, 10:07 PM #104
The fact remains , Alex, you're wrong this time.
11-16-2012, 10:32 PM #105
I don't like using the term "Un-American" since it was born from an incorrect usage.
To be perfectly fair maybe I should've used something else to describe these idiots.
Anti-Constitutional is probably a better term....and PLEASE don't tell me they are abiding to it just because they sign a stupid petition, big deal.
I can make a petition saying the following:
"I wish to ignore the constitution and the political process to how we elect our president, my guy lost the election and I'm very angry, thus I wish to no longer be an American and I want my state to become it's own country because the constitution is stupid and if I don't get things my way then I don't want to play with you guys anymore"
^There, I just correctly paraphrased the secession petition.....I followed ONE part of the constitution while completely trashing it at the same time.
Last edited by JustAlex; 11-16-2012 at 10:36 PM.Logic and reason is all you need.
11-16-2012, 10:41 PM #106
11-16-2012, 10:51 PM #107
11-16-2012, 10:58 PM #108
"When you talk about how great Europe is and can't wait until the USA is just like European countries and people tell you that you are unamerican and you should just move to Europe if you don't like it how it is here, you get mad don't you? Well you two are doing the exact same thing right now. Your inconsistency is ridiculous."
It is different because when people say that I'm un-American for having a different political view than them is not the same as when I say they are un-American for them literally rejecting this country and wanting to no longer be an actual American.
I'm not criticizing their political views, I'm criticizing the fact that they no longer wish to abide by our rules and they want secede from the Union. (Hypothetically speaking) if any state were to secede they would greatly harm this country.
If you don't like our constitution and the way we elect our leaders, you do have a free choice to go and immigrate to another country. However wanting to stay and hurt this country from within (IMO) is un-American and Anti-American.Logic and reason is all you need.
11-16-2012, 11:06 PM #109
But if you're going to say that "I no longer wish to play by the rules", then you have branded yourself as being "Anti-rules"
In this case the "rules" is our constitution, therefore....."Anti-Constitution".
Again, let me go back to the sports analogy.
let's say I lose a basketball game, this game has certain rules which both sides abide by. If I don't like the rules and throw a tantrum, it's rather silly to say that I'm still following said rules if I start to say I no longer wish to play basketball because I don't like the rules.
I like it when the ball goes in the hoop, but I don't like it when my opponent makes his shots and I wish to make the rules to only benefit me.Logic and reason is all you need.
11-16-2012, 11:25 PM #110
You're telling them what they're doing is treasonous. That's telling them they can't say it.
How they can possibly be within the law yet anti-constitutional is beyond me, perhaps you can explain that.
In the end, you're doing them a favour by opposing it so hard. You're turning a statement into a full fledged issue. Good work.