11-19-2012, 05:10 PM #121
11-19-2012, 05:20 PM #122
11-19-2012, 09:28 PM #123
Life expectancy is now 85. In 1850, it was 45. The biggest reason being antibiotics and vaccines. So yes the government/ insurance companies should pay for those things. Those cheap things bring costs down by not having people in an ICU.
What is more expensive, a Flu shot or an admission to an ICU for pneumonia induced by flu?
11-19-2012, 10:14 PM #124
Providers in the U.S. only get 9% of the total cost. In countries in the E. U., the providers get 10-12%. Providers in the U S make more money because they work more hours.
As for the recent explosion in cost that comes from drugs. As usual the U S is subsidizing other countries drug programs with our longer patent program. When countries like Norway state that most drugs will be generic by the time they reach the market,where do you think the price will go up? Of course, the U S. Maybe other countries should bare some of the cost.
As for government cost going up, maybe private insurance companies should start paying for the high end procedures instead of dumping their extremely sick patients on the government. Once again we are subsidizing insurance companies profits like we do for most big businesses in this country.
Of course, making the decision to not give you, our parents, or grandparents a pacemaker or dialysis is not what people want to hear. Maybe, as a country, we should start talking about such things.
11-19-2012, 10:30 PM #125
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11-19-2012, 10:57 PM #126
Also people need to look at GDP expense with healthcare and social services. Countries like Norway spend more of their GDP on the combined services then the U.S. Social services decrease hospital costs.
Ultimately, when looking at everything, this issue needs to be decided by the American people and then live with their decision.
Obamacare isn't an answer. It is deflecting the question at the heart of the issue. Is healthcare for the elites or everyone?
11-20-2012, 08:48 AM #127
have you ever looked at what your insurance company pays? i get a detailed bill each month and yes they pay less than what the doctors/hospital wants, but it is still extremely high, way more than 9% of what is billed to the individual.
flu shots? how about all the bad ones that make people sick, my wife has to get one for work, i never, never get one. we both are sick about the same and the same goes for TB.
taxman doesn't have to sell his view, it is his and he is expressing it here like others express theirs.
the government should have to buy all of us guns and alarm systems in case of a break in, or a bunker in case of a nuclear war, generators and MRE's in case of a natural disaster, raincoats, hats, and gloves so we don't catch a cold, they should force us to take vitamins and eat health food.
and the increase in life expectancy has to do with access of food, safe water, and dental care, as well as health care.
and why should life be prolong? so we can be overpopulated, have a larger food demand, and cheat out nature?
perhaps since the healthiest and longest living people are in okinawa, we should all eat seafood and have no nursing homes, okinawa is not famous for healthcare, but rather people taking care of their own.
11-20-2012, 09:06 AM #128
I always like the Japan comparison. They are significantly more homogenous country, so they can focus on health problems for their population. Like the Japanese have a higher rate of stomach cancer, but not heart disease.
Then have Americans take care of their relatives at home then.
As for who's life should be prolong, all conservatives will say we need to make those decisions, but not me or my family. Most of the tea party people are on Medicare. If they will really into less government, they should all forfeit their Medicare and be logically constient with their message.
11-20-2012, 09:52 AM #129
drtom, tha tis fair, but I can only speak for myself, my party has mostly gone crazy and the liberals and not too far behind. I would disagree it would be conservatives who want to make that decision, it seems more of a liberal thing.
as far as medicare/medicaide, if they forfeit their right can we get our money back? the amount I pay for both is way more than I pay for healthcare for my family, but i will admit I have great insurance and my employer pays 100% of it (except my $15 co-pay)
the question is where does government influence stop and personal responsibility begin? the line gets hazier by the minute.
and one thing we should all be concerned about is Ethic laws and healthcare, though our taxes are paying for care the practitioner still has the right to use religion as a source of what they will and will not do.
11-20-2012, 10:06 AM #130