Woman dies after being DENIED abortion in Ireland.

[Wickabee]

they don't abort babies, they abort fetuses

No, no. A single root is a tree.

[shrewsbury]

so a baby or a fetus is a root not connected to a tree?

[Wickabee]

so a baby or a fetus is a root not connected to a tree?

That makes no sense. A fetus is not a baby, or person, until it can survive outside the body. In this particular case, which you appear to be defending, the mother's life was lost for religious reasons. Can you honestly be okay with that. Instead of aborting a fetus that had zero chance of survival, there is now a dead woman in addition to that dead fetus. How does that not outrage everyone no matter where in the "civilized" world it happened?

As to what you said, here's a crash course on what I mean. Take it as you will:
Egg=Ground
Sperm=Seed
Fetus=Sprig that can't survive out of ground
Baby=Small sprout that can be considered a small tree, as it can survive above ground, whether it's already there or not.

[JustAlex]

As to what you said, here's a crash course on what I mean. Take it as you will:
Egg=Ground
Sperm=Seed
Fetus=Sprig that can't survive out of ground
Baby=Small sprout that can be considered a small tree, as it can survive above ground, whether it's already there or not.

That's a very good analogy and one which I have not heard before.

So would anyone say that removing a sprig is the same as "killing a tree"??

[shrewsbury]

that's a good analogy??!!!! oh, my at least I got a good laugh for the night!!!!!!

i stated early on this thread my issue was the attack on the GOP and others, which have nothing to do with this poor lady, which yes, I do value life, thus I do not kill babies, which is what is inside of someone when they have an abortion.

a baby has no chance of living outside the womb without care, not does a fetus inside without care, so your analogy is lacking some important facts.

we can argue the baby/fetus issue all night, but again, my issue with the thread was some how he GOP and others got the blame for something they had nothing to do with.

this was just another thread, started for the sheer purpose of attacking pro-lifers, otherwise why mention the GOP?

[Wickabee]

So if the mother died giving birth the child automatically dies as well?
I only ask because that's what you just said. The mother can die and the baby still lives, the baby doesn't need the mother, obviously. You don't seem to care to even attempt to understand what is actually said. Please fix this.

Oh, and thanks for the laugh. Posts that make it so abundantly clear the posted doesn't have a clue what was said are very humorous to me.

[shrewsbury]

i said care, not mother

a baby can be cared for outside the womb by someone besides the mother

i know it is important for you to think of the fetus as not a baby because you are not a baby killer

and glad i made you laugh, that is important in life

[Wickabee]

Yes and I'm going by whether the fetus can live outside the womb. Like I said, you don't even try to understand what's said.

[shrewsbury]

no, you are just an angry, bitter, person who cannot see beyond your own ideas

but i still enjoy reading your posts

and guess what a fetus comes out and is called a baby and does live outside the womb, kind of like evolution

[Wickabee]

1: You don't know me, I know me. You can think whatever you want but please don't lie to me about me. The only one here who can't see beyond his own ideas is yourself. I understand your position but disagree with you. I suppose that warrants name calling in your world, but here among adults, it does not.

2: I'm glad someone does

3: Yes, as per my analogy, a fetus is not a baby until it can survive outside the womb. Once it can survive outside the womb, it is a baby, a person. It's not a difficult concept, Jay, and you're a smart guy. I shouldn't have to explain my viewpoint four times foryou.