12-10-2012, 07:40 PM #91
12-10-2012, 07:45 PM #92
12-10-2012, 07:55 PM #93
It's a cute way to answer, "what if God shows himself?" but it's unlike calling yourself a Christian Jew. Either he's the saviour or he's not.
Either you believe in God or you don't. Disbelief with the idea that it is possible is agnosticism. You're just trying to get into the cool group by calling yourself an atheist.
12-10-2012, 08:05 PM #94
Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive, you can be both since they each answer different questions.
An agnostic doesn't KNOW if god exists.
An Atheist doesn't BELIEVE a god exists.
There's a difference.
But if evidence were to be brought up I would....same for alien life, bigfoot, etc.
Logic and reason is all you need.
12-10-2012, 08:41 PM #95
1: Distrusted and hated are two different things. You're not persecuted. You're a whiner. End of story.
2: An atheist believes there is no God. An agnostic is a different thing. No one "knows" whether God exists. At all. No one. Since know one knows, I guess we're all agnostic. Am I an agnostic theist? No. There is no such thing. You're playing semantics and using a made up and incorrect definition to perpetuate a truth that has never existed except for in the minds of some people who had to say they would believe if there was proof.
An atheist doesn't even entertain the idea that proof could exist. Any other definition is me leading. You are agnostic. You don't get to sit at the cool kids' table. That's for atheists. Deal with it.
12-10-2012, 09:00 PM #96
I think I'm done discussing this with you because you have failed to understand simple concepts which most people accept such as the fact that knowledge and beliefs are two non mutually exclusive positions.
YES....I can be agnostic and an atheist.
You deal with it!Logic and reason is all you need.
12-10-2012, 09:06 PM #97
If you throw out all respect for the English language and accept that you need to have your cake and eat it too, then you're correct.
As it stands in reality, I'll just let you believe the impossible exists so long as you promise never to teach anyone about theism or English. Deal?
12-10-2012, 09:18 PM #98
You refuse to acknowledge that the two positions are not mutually exclusive and thus a person can have both stands.
It is hilarious that here you are talking about the English language but you're failing at simple concepts.
ONE deals with BELIEF......the other with Knowledge.
And I'm not teaching anything, I'm laying out my positions and beliefs.
Seriously.....educate yourself: http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/09/25/8419/Logic and reason is all you need.
12-10-2012, 09:23 PM #99
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