11-30-2012, 05:12 PM #11
The answer to veggie's original question can be summed up nicely by Alex's signature. Only Atheism practices LOGIC and REASON. Every religion, whether it has 1 follower or 1 billion followers, all rely on their members casting logic aside.
11-30-2012, 05:16 PM #12
11-30-2012, 05:32 PM #13
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness..."
11-30-2012, 05:43 PM #14
Habs, your definition of logic and reason are quite different than mine. SO you can say anyone who practices any form of religion is less logical than any atheist? if so, you are the one who's logic is in question.
veggie, I don't think my religion is better I just believe everything came from something, the logic you can get something from nothing doesn't seem, well very logical. Their was an initial movement, something started all of this.
I love science and continue to research all forms of religion and history. At this point in time I do believe that Jesus was a from of God on Earth and for that reason, I accept Him as the way. I know it sounds crazy and there is no "proof" I could provide you. but the logic habs speaks of is what has lead me this way so far. logic for me is knowing what I want to know and then figuring out how I can get to the point of knowing it.
Religion of all kind, evolution, astrology, the Iching, all point to a single source. Though I feel that this form of life will never lead me to truly finding this one source, I do feel the need to try an understand what it could be. Whether science, religion, philosophy, or anything else can give me that answer, I will look there.
As I stated above at this point Jesus seems to hold more answers than anything else. I do not think I know better because of this, simply I believe I am right and I am willing to be proven wrong.Jay Shrewsbury
11-30-2012, 10:08 PM #15
If you ever look at Roman History which is fact based, jesus was a criminal non-entity. The gospels written by other early brainwashers were done hundreds of years following his death.
Ghosts aren't fathers. Jesus was just a guy. The Bible is a piece of literature written in gibberish with regard to common sense.
It is not the word of any god. It is written by men that were afraid of solar eclipse and going off the edge of the Earth on a boat.
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11-30-2012, 11:45 PM #16
12-01-2012, 12:02 AM #17
The gospels were written in A.D. 60-70, 30-40 years after Jesus was executed, which is a relatively short time. It's kind of like if someone who was at the Twin Towers on 9/11 and witnessed the events first hand, writes down their recollection of what happened twenty years from now.Buying "Broder" unlicensed sets and singles.
12-01-2012, 12:09 AM #18
Memories change minute to minute, day to day, year to year. Find a book written by a witness at the crucifixon of Christ that the majority of scholars agree on and then we can talk.
Until then it is just your faith.
12-01-2012, 12:36 AM #19
If you read Luke, he is taking on the role of historian:
Since many have undertaken to set down an orderly account of the events that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed on to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, I too decided after investigating everything carefully from the very first, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the truth concerning the things about which you have been instructed.
I don't think there is a lot of argument about whether or not Christ was crucified. I think all accounts agree on the important parts, that the Romans killed him.Buying "Broder" unlicensed sets and singles.
12-01-2012, 12:49 AM #20
We have contempory reports of Alexander the Great and maybe Julius Ceasar's death mask(this is debated by scholars, but most agree one is real). This would be evidence. The Shroud of Turin has been carbon dated to the Middle Ages(not Jesus' time).