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12-01-2012, 01:18 PM #21
Again you epically failed to answer my question. I asked where JESUS was mentioned in the consitution or bill of rights. Not a generic reference to a creater. For all we know the founding fathers could have been referring to the Greek God Zeus. Again you are proving my point. You cannot prove your religion better than any other way of thinking and our founding fathers founded our nation without intention of favoring any particular religion. Please come back again with a real argument.Drug and smoke free trading.
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12-01-2012, 01:36 PM #22
Simon Cowell?
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12-01-2012, 02:20 PM #23
Antiquities of the Jews was written in the first centuries and includes information about Jesus.
Also, if you apply the generally accepted internal and external criteria used to evaluate the authenticity of historical texts, the bible does extremely well.
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12-01-2012, 08:42 PM #24
I've heard this argument before. It does not meet acceptable standards of evidence used today. If this is good enough for you, cool. It does not allow Christians to impose their will on the government or anyone else.Last edited by drtom2005; 12-02-2012 at 02:01 AM.
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12-01-2012, 09:47 PM #25
The Gopsel of Luke was written over 200 years after the cultists death, - 3rd and 4th hand, and all Ballderdash.
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12-01-2012, 10:19 PM #26
Jay, I get my definition of logic from the dictionary. If your definition is different from mine than it is wrong.
With regards to the first bolded part. Where did God come from? If He exists, there are two options to how He came to exist. He either came from something (which you claim is logical) or He came from nothing (which you claim is illogical). The reality of it is; logic dictates that it all started somewhere from nothing. It is illogical to believe that any religion has the answers to this question when one examines all the other illogical claims made by religion.
As to the second bolded text; If the police pursued criminals in the same manner they would be (and have been) criticized for their use of this method. Of course, I long suspected that this is how christians arrive at their various viewpoints, I just never expected one to admit to it.
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12-02-2012, 02:36 PM #27
According to teaching, God never came about because God has always been with no beginning or end. So to ask where he came from is one of those questions that shows.misunderstanding.
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12-02-2012, 02:47 PM #28
The issue I have with this statement is I could change it to this.
The universe never came about because the universe has always been with no beginning or end.
It is more correct, because I know the universe is here. I'm in it.Last edited by drtom2005; 12-02-2012 at 02:52 PM.
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12-02-2012, 02:59 PM #29
habs, if you don't know the first you will never get to the second, so first you would have to know God to know where He came from.
how to you think science works? you must first have a hypothesis (what you want to know and prove) then second you have to figure out how to prove your hypothesis(figuring out how to get to the point of knowing it)
if you decide you want to be a network engineer (what you want to know) you will need to figure out how to get the skills (figuring out how to get to the point of knowing it)
and how else would the police solve anything? first they would have to figure out what type of crime it was (what you want to know) and figure out how it was done and by whom (get to the point of knowing)
your logic is limited by assuming any premeditated desire leads one to be brainwashed or stuck with only one way, but where did Darwin start? figuring out what he wanted to know and then figuring out how to obtain that knowledge? hmm, sound familiar?
the difference is your logic requires and is limited by the physical, but all logic starts with an idea, a desire, and years of reevaluation.
so perhaps you should recheck that online definition of logic, did you use wikiedia?
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12-02-2012, 03:37 PM #30
That's fine. It doesn't change the teaching. Also, because you've never seen something is not proof of non-existence.
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