12-10-2012, 12:05 PM #61
I don't dislike religious people. I dislike their behaviour.
Religion clouds judgement. The common sense dictate is passed-by in favour of clouded religious dogma.
12-10-2012, 12:19 PM #62
12-10-2012, 12:58 PM #63
12-10-2012, 01:05 PM #64
drtom who does have the right to impose their will on government or anyone else?Jay Shrewsbury
12-10-2012, 01:18 PM #65
To me, it takes just as much faith to believe there is not a God as it takes to believe there is a God.Buying "Broder" unlicensed sets and singles.
12-10-2012, 01:19 PM #66
12-10-2012, 01:54 PM #67
I'm not mocking you, the reason I ask this is because if you go down the list, you will notice that many people have vastly different definitions to these two concepts.
Some people believe the "Spiritual world" is where ghosts and demons and angels dwell.
Others believe the "spiritual world" is heaven and hell.
Others believe that this is the realm of monsters from literature such as witches, vampires, etc.
Others believe it's Nirvana.....and I can keep going.
I haven't read anything about scientists wanting to prove something comes from nothing.
Their response today is the same it's always been......"We don't know".
And I like that response a lot more than....."I know exactly how the Universe started, and I know exactly what will happen when you die, but I have zero evidence to prove this assertion."
You just clumped them all together in an attempt to make it sound ridiculous.
In other words, you created a strawman.
Furthermore, it is "god" who does "magic".....he supposedly created EVERYTHING in existence out of nothing, and supposedly no one created him and he exists outside of the logic, space and time.
Science is looking for answers, they may never get these answers, but that doesn't mean we insert "god" in the gaps.
Why not look back in history, when everything was attributed to god, until science was able to correct their mistakes:
Why does it rain? ("god" is sad)
Where does a rainbow come from? ("god" did it)
Why do people become sick? ("god" or the "devil" has placed a curse on you)
Why don't we float into space? ("god" is keeping us down here)
All of these questions were previously unknown and attributed to a god.....religions didn't care if they were right or wrong.
Science DID care, and now we understand why it rains, why we don't float into space, and how diseases work.
You believe in a god despite the zero evidence that is available for him.....hence you have faith in god.
I don't believe in god because there is no proof.....I don't have faith in him, and my position is relied on evidence....which basically means that it CAN change.
But somehow we are equal in terms of faith?
You do see the inconsistency here, right?Logic and Reason is all you need.
12-10-2012, 02:38 PM #68
12-10-2012, 03:32 PM #69
"god" is undefinable.
Aliens are definable.
Essential the word 'Alien' (in this usage) is defined as living organism outside our planet.
There, I just defined it, and we can even give it characteristics.
How do you define "god"?
I just notice how weird this sounds.
What I mean when I say that you can't define god is that you can't give god any characteristics since there is no way of comprehending what "god" even is.
Religions TRY to define god and they form incredible logical fallacies in doing so.
The Christian god for example contradicts himself over and over again in the bible, but he's given characteristics of being "perfect"....it doesn't make sense!
Last edited by JustAlex; 12-10-2012 at 03:40 PM.Logic and Reason is all you need.
12-10-2012, 03:38 PM #70