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    Unemployment rate falls to lowest level since 2008

    By Annalyn Kurtz @CNNMoneyDecember 7, 2012: 9:57 AM ET

    NEW YORK (CNNMoney)
    Modest hiring continued in November and the unemployment rate fell to its lowest level in nearly four years, according to a report released Friday.

    The U.S. economy added 146,000 jobs in November, and the unemployment rate fell to 7.7% from 7.9% in October, the Labor Department said. While that's the lowest unemployment rate since December 2008, it fell due mainly to workers dropping out of the labor force.
    Economists surveyed by CNNMoney had predicted that only 77,000 jobs were added in November and that the unemployment rate had risen to 8%, factoring in distortions from Superstorm Sandy.But the Labor Department said it was still able to collect a normal level of responses to its survey, even in areas affected by the storm.
    "Our analysis suggests that Hurricane Sandy did not substantively impact the national employment and unemployment estimates for November," the Labor Department said in a press release.
    The Labor Department typically revises its jobs numbers several times. In Friday's report, job growth was revised lower in both September and October, subtracting 49,000 jobs from the 2012 total.
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    Of the job gains in November, more than a third, or 52,600, came from retailers, but much of that was likely due to temporary holiday hiring.

    Economists at the Labor Department try to adjust for seasonal trends like holiday hiring, but this year the raw data showed retailers hired more workers in November than any other month on record since 1939.
    Professional business services hired 43,000 workers in November, seasonally adjusted. Health care added 20,000 jobs.
    Why the unemployment rate fell
    The payrolls number and the unemployment rate come from two separate surveys conducted by the Labor Department, and the data don't always match up. While businesses largely reported they hired workers, a survey of households said just the opposite.
    Households claimed they had 122,000 fewer jobs in November, and also showed 350,000 people dropped out of the labor force.
    The unemployment rate fell largely because there were fewer people looking for work. The Labor Department only counts people who have searched for a job in the last four weeks as officially unemployed.
    About 12 million people were counted as unemployed in November, down from 12.3 million a month earlier.
    Overall, the U.S. labor market has still not completely recovered from the financial crisis. Of the 8.8 million jobs lost, about 4.2 million have still not been added back.
    Economists often say that job growth around 150,000 a month is enough to keep up with population growth, but not much more.
    "At this rate of job growth, it will take us more than 10 years to get back to the pre-recession unemployment rate," said Heidi Shierholz, an economist for the liberal Economic Policy Institute. "The November data provide a clear reminder that mass joblessness remains the real and present economic danger this country faces."
    Stocks rose at the opening bell, following the report.

    First Published: December 7, 2012: 8:45 AM ET

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/07/news...ort/?hpt=hp_t1


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    This basically reiterates what has been said in the past. The unemployment rate is not declining because more people are working, just less people are looking for work so the government quits counting them in the unemployment data.

    While businesses largely reported they hired workers, a survey of households said just the opposite.
    Households claimed they had 122,000 fewer jobs in November, and also showed 350,000 people dropped out of the labor force.
    The unemployment rate fell largely because there were fewer people looking for work. The Labor Department only counts people who have searched for a job in the last four weeks as officially unemployed.

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    How does the government keep track of people looking for work?
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    I think it is essentially based on how many people are registered for unemployment and registered with job location services that are provided by the government. I don't think they can track people who just look for work on their own and can not draw unemployment benefits.

    That is where the argument of the real unemployment number comes from. It is assumed that for every person that is qualified for unemployment and registered with a state or federal job service that there is at least one or two others who don't qualify for unemployment and are looking for work without registering with a job service. Typically the real uneployment rate is placed anywhere between 3 and 7 percentage points higher than the goverment quote.

    For example, in October the government placed unemployment at 7.9% but "experts" placed it at 14.6%, nearly double.
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/real...ercent-october

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    So everyone is using numbers that may or may not be correct. Good system.
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    So everyone is using numbers that may or may not be correct. Good system.
    Exactly!!

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    Essentially you're telling me to ignore any jobs numbers because they're all made up. Is that correct?
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    Quote Originally Posted by duane1969 View Post
    This basically reiterates what has been said in the past. The unemployment rate is not declining because more people are working, just less people are looking for work so the government quits counting them in the unemployment data.
    Exactly. The labor force is contracting, so it looks like unemployment is improving. Real unemployment is estimated in the 14-17% range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Essentially you're telling me to ignore any jobs numbers because they're all made up. Is that correct?
    Be suspect of all the numbers and take them all into consideration, not just the government's, when drawing your conclusion as to the condition of the American workforce.
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    Here is are some stats on the labor force by the way. Not exactly encouraging.

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...rate-drops-636
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