12-12-2012, 12:06 PM #21
it's most valuable, not the best player is my only argument and a QB will always be more valuable to a team than any other position.
12-13-2012, 07:09 PM #22
I would hope that Manning wins it, no one was sure he was going to ever play again. AP came back months ahead of schedule, and is looking like the old AP. Brady is just destroying any defense that is in his way without Gronkowski out there. Stats don't lie, and rookies don't win MVP's, but QB's win over RB's, so I can see Manning winning it.
12-14-2012, 08:35 AM #23
12-14-2012, 11:12 AM #24
Everyone has made some valid points. I decided to go looks at the list of MVPs and see if there are any trends. I just looked at the MVPs from 1990 to now since I think we all can agree that rule changes have made the game much different in the last 20 years or so and changed the stats that offensive players can achieve. I found some of this interesting.
One thing I hadn't considered is a co-MVP. It happened in 1997 with Favre and Barry Sanders, it happened in 2003 with McNair and Peyton. Considering what everyone has said, I think we may end up with a co-MVP situation in 2012 with any two of Peyton, Brady and AP being named.
Of the 24 players to win MVP since 1990...
- A QB has been named MVP 17 times (70% of the time).
- A RB has been named MVP 7 times.
- Of the 7 RBs to be named MVP, two were 2000 yard rushers (Barry Sanders '97, Terrell Davis '98) although 4 RBs rushed for 2000 yards during the 1990-2012 period. Jamal Lewis did it in 2003, but he only scored 14 TDs and was on a Ravens team that wasn't very good and wasn't much of a Super Bowl contender which hurt him. Chris Johnson did it in 2009, again only scoring 14 TDs and again on a pretty mediocre 8-8 team which most likely hurt him in the voting.
- Of the 5 non-2000 yard rushers to be named MVP, they all had accomplished some other significant feat. In 2005 Shaun Alexander set the single-season rushing TD record at 27, in 2006 Ladainian Tomlinson broke Alexanders 1 year old record with 28 TDs, in 1993 Emmitt Smith led the NFL in rushing for the 3rd consecutive season, in 1991 Thurman Thomas led the league in yards from scrimmage for the 3rd consecutive year, and in 2000 Marshall Faulk led the league in TDs scored (26) while having his 3rd consecutive season of 1400+ yards rushing and 80+ receptions.
So in essence, based on historical patterns, unless a RB has a monumental season or is in the midst of a series of several consecutive years of being the most dominant RB in the league, the MVP award will most definitely go to a QB.
12-14-2012, 11:52 AM #25
Its obviously Manning, but there are so many factors that have nothing to do with the reality of the situation. Things like "Manning has too many already" or "The broncos made the playoffs without him last year" even though it is clearly a completely different team. I think it is between Peterson and manning. Brady should be out. We have seen what happens when Brady sits out a year and when Manning sits out a year. Patriots dont skip a beat. Colts couldnt compete in the Sun Belt college conference. Thats what the MVP is about. Value to the team. Brady is great, but Manning is the team. He is what makes it go. Peterson should clearly win comeback player because what he is doing is amazing, but it hasnt resulted in enough wins or value to his team. Its manning, but who knows who will actually win it.
12-14-2012, 11:57 AM #26
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12-14-2012, 12:10 PM #28
Just my .02, but the knock on Brady for me is the fact that he rarely throws a pass more than 10 yards down field. Over the last 6 seasons no WR has more catches than Welker, but he gets no credit for it because of the type of offense he is in. The same disclaimer should apply to the QB that is throwing all of those short dump-off passes.
Everyone bashes on Wes Welker because even though he has 100+ catches every year he only averages 10 or 11 yards per catch...well, he catches what Brady throws. If Welker catching 120 passes isn't a big deal because he only averages 10 yards per catch then Brady shouldn't be called a great QB for throwing for 5000 yards because he threw 500 10 yard passes either.
12-14-2012, 12:12 PM #29
i like how everyone discredits brady because the pats did well without him but those same people don't discredit manning when the broncos did well with tebow.bucket:Hidden Content
Wants: Anything mma as well as nice texans patches
12-14-2012, 12:15 PM #30