12-14-2012, 11:18 AM #31
my response to that is that he throws to what he has. if he had a good deep threat he throws deep. because he doesn't force things shouldn't be a knock on him. 2007 goes to prove he can and will throw deep when it's available. what makes brady a great qb is that he puts the ball where it needs to be and allows his play makers to run after the catch and that he doesn't force things. how many qbs do you see that throw behind their receiver or in a spot that doesn't allow for YAC?
12-14-2012, 11:56 AM #32
Anybody who is IMPARTIAL can watch Brady and Manning play and clearly see that Manning is better. It is clear that Manning has something that no other QB has. The arguments will always be there because of stats and super bowls and frankly an east coast media bias. Brady does a lot of dinking and dunking. Simply put, Brady wouldnt be Brady without his coach and his team. Marvin Harrison, Tony Dungy, Jeff Saturday, Dallas Clark, Brandon Stokely, Eric Decker, on and on and on wouldnt be names I could remember without Manning...Maybe marvin harrison, but he would be about as memorable as Lee Evans or some other good reciever that never really stood out over everybody else. Thats just reality. Brady has wins and he plays in a big city in the northeast. He is certainly better than Namath and Bradshaw, but those are two examples of good QBs that are great legends in NFL history because of where they played and not how they played. Again, Brady is much better than them, but... If they were the Jacksonville Patriots, it would be common knowledge that Manning is the best QB of this era and probably ever. Its certainly clear that Manning is more valuable this season and any other season.
12-14-2012, 12:09 PM #33
So players like Deion Branch, David Givens, Dan Koppen, Matt Light and Troy Brown are hall of famers? every elite qb will make the players around him better. Yes Brady throws a lot of dink and dunk passes. he takes what the d gives him and doesn't force anything. i would think 2007 would go to prove beyond any doubt that he can throw the long ball when it's available. why force something long when it's not there like qb's like Favre? what is it exactly that manning has that no other qb has? it's it his ability to change plays at the line. pretty sure most of the elite qb's do that. is it his ability to read a d because again i'm sure all the elites can do that as well. is it all the garbage he yells out that mean nothing before the snap...i'll give you that one. no one was calling belichick a hof coach before he got to the pats and had brady so it is the coach that makes the qb or is the qb that makes the coach? and the last comment about playing in the NE, NE was garbage before and no one cared about for a long time because they were aweful. i don't see how where you play has any bearing on anything. Manning is a great QB but to write ofF brady is just......
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12-14-2012, 12:24 PM #34
Comeback Player of the Year: Peyton Manning
Offensive Player of the Year: Adrian Peterson
Most Valuable Player: Tom Brady
Not sure how Manning is even in talks about being MVP. The Broncos were a playoff team a year ago with Tebow as their quarterback, they should be playoff contenders again with a future HOFer as their quarterback. The MVP award doesn't take in account past individual performances or struggles, voters look only at what the players have done this year and how they have impacted their teams. I think it is great what Manning has done this year coming back from injury, but that is what the Comeback Player of the Year award is for.
- On a side note, I'm confused on how anyone can say the Broncos are Super Bowl contenders. Sure they're 10-3 and in a commanding league in their Division, but it must be tough playing the Cheifs, Raiders, and Chargers all twice a year. Looking at their schedule, they have only played a total of three playoff teams this year, and have lost in all three contests. I wouldn't be surprised if Manning is knocked out of the playoffs before Tebow was a year ago.
Peterson is the most exciting player in the NFL. Period. He makes things happen that no other players can. Unfortunately, not making the playoffs will hurt his MVP candidacy. I think he should have no problem winning the Offensive Player of the Year award.
Brady is Brady, and Brady is the Most Valuable Player in the NFL.
- Maybe I am biased, but I am not blinded by meaningless records and heroic comebacks.
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12-14-2012, 01:07 PM #35
12-14-2012, 01:29 PM #36
12-14-2012, 01:49 PM #37
Just because he's a fan of Brady doesn't mean he can't weigh in and counter your arguments. That's like saying if you're from Indiana or Tennessee you can't weigh in either...
12-14-2012, 02:46 PM #38
Also, I stand by it, tim tebow took this broncos team to the second round of the playoffs. Why is what manning is doing so impressive?
(not saying he doesn't deserve consideration, just unclear why people act like the broncos were a 2-14 team last year without peyton)bucket:Hidden Content
Wants: Anything mma as well as nice texans patches
12-14-2012, 04:19 PM #39
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