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    No you shouldn't and I left my last employer because a union was moving in.

    I can represent myself just fine, and it is free!!

    People should have a choice and not be forced to join if they do not want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    No you shouldn't and I left my last employer because a union was moving in.

    I can represent myself just fine, and it is free!!

    People should have a choice and not be forced to join if they do not want to.
    So if the job makes a change that you and a lot of your co-workers don't like and they pretty much tell you deal with it or find a new job what are you to do? Ask the millions upon millions of unemployed people all over the world how easy it is to find a new job.

    Also what leverage do you as an individual have in representing your self against your employer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    No you shouldn't and I left my last employer because a union was moving in.

    I can represent myself just fine, and it is free!!

    People should have a choice and not be forced to join if they do not want to.
    So businessmen can take advantage of idiots, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrveggieman View Post
    So if the job makes a change that you and a lot of your co-workers don't like and they pretty much tell you deal with it or find a new job what are you to do? Ask the millions upon millions of unemployed people all over the world how easy it is to find a new job.

    Also what leverage do you as an individual have in representing your self against your employer?
    Talk to the unemployed Hostess workers to see how effective their leverage was. The Union doesn't seem to be doing much for the 45% of able people that aren't working in Detroit either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    So businessmen can take advantage of idiots, yes.

    That's the republican way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel View Post
    Talk to the unemployed Hostess to see how effective their leverage was. The Union doesn't seem to be doing much for the 45% of able people that aren't working in Detroit either.
    So what do suggest? Work a job with no one having your back or working a job and having someone represent you in case you have issues on the job? Yes you can experience layoffs weather unionized or not but hostess would have collapsed with or without the union so please do not blame unions for poor business decisions by management.
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    I would've gladly paid union dues instead of going several years without even a performance drive let alone a raise.
    The raises o should have, and would have received more than cancel out any union dues. Of course, idiots don't thin like that, so someone will just tell them not joining saves money so they won't, leaving themselves at the mercy of the boss's whims.
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    I have no problem with groups of private workers getting together for negotiation purposes, just don't force others to join your group if they want to work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpeichel View Post
    I have no problem with groups of private workers getting together for negotiation purposes, just don't force others to join your group if they want to work.
    As long as no boss, manager or owner is telling people "you'll save money if you don't join"
    It's ultimately a lie, no matter how it looks in the short term.
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    I would've gladly paid union dues instead of going several years without even a performance drive let alone a raise.
    The raises o should have, and would have received more than cancel out any union dues. Of course, idiots don't thin like that, so someone will just tell them not joining saves money so they won't, leaving themselves at the mercy of the boss's whims.

    These anti-union republicans don't have any sense. Back in 2004-05 I had the highest paying job that I had. It called for health benefits and periodic raises per union contract. I never had an issue with my employer and if I ever did I had two union stewards that I can talk to. Now move out of state to a so called right to work state and it's a different ballgame. Employers basically tell employees that we can do whatever they hell we like, don't have to pay you anything other than what is required by law and if you don't like how we do business there is the door out.

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