12-29-2012, 07:14 PM #11
This is no different than UD saying that there will be crosby/lemieux dual auto in 10-11 the cup and not putting it in. or panini putting crosby/someone else dual auto redemptions in 10-11 certified and not making it.
ITG actually put the card in. I never saw it said that it would be a higher grade card or a lower grade card. I did however see that it will be in the product. Im not a huge fan of ITG but I see nothing wrong. Panini and UD took a lot of heat for what they did and deserved it because they stated that those cards will be in there. ITG does not deserve to take heat because they produced the card like they stated and never stated what the card condition was.
As stated above mock-ups are not the real deal. I think this is very silly and as always appreciate that Brian Price is here to take whatever is given and explain.Bucket: Hidden Content
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12-29-2012, 07:55 PM #12
You assumed that the mockups were scans of the actual cards. That was false. It's not the end of the world, we've all been wrong before. But to say that he's misleading people because you incorrectly interpreted "the intention" of the mockups is disingenuous at best, and defamation at worst.
Would anybody ever accuse UD of attempting to mislead customers because they put a mockup Carey Price signature on a Cup preview card only to see that Carey Price's actual signature looks nothing like what's on the preview? I severely doubt it. Price's autograph hasn't looked like it does in UD preview pics since 2006, yet every preview they still use that very dated autograph.
It's as silly as getting worked up over something like this:
12-29-2012, 11:53 PM #13
12-30-2012, 12:17 AM #14
All the issues with the hobby have taken the fun out of it for me. Also that fact I don't have the money for it anymore.
12-30-2012, 11:59 AM #15
Wanted: Carey Price FWA graded or ungraded
12-30-2012, 12:14 PM #16
With UD posting previews of the actual cards you can pull from the Cup, perhaps that's why many collectors assumed that ITG's previews of its cards would be the actual cards inserted into the wax. We now know that's not what ITG did. I think the rule established is that unless a manufacturer comes out and tells us that what you see is what you will get, we should assume otherwise. Lesson learned.
12-30-2012, 02:01 PM #17
I think everyone who were "mislead" by this really needs to give themselves a reality check. It's like saying there's no patch card that matches most of UD's or Panini's mockups. I don't see anyone getting mad at UD they didn't get the full Avalanche logo on their Landeskog RPA, or the centre of the Flyers' logo shrunk for a patch on both a Max Couturier and Matt Read Dual Patch card (Yes, Max, and these were done a month before release).Also it's not like the cards are in that bad of shape, they aren't 100% perfect corners (and good luck finding them for that), but they are in pretty good condition.
For the argument that you can buy the main chase cards for the price of a case, you can do the same for The Cup as well. In fact, you can buy the majority of case hits for the price of the tin, if not cheaper.
Calling this "false advertising" pales in comparison to UD's double packout of The Cup because not EVERY card was included in the initial release. Remember when all of Landeskog's or Hodgson's cards were redemptions and then became live magically halfway through release? It means one or the other of:
A) Didn't put in every single card into the product (False advertising)
B) They put more than the stated print run in the product (false advertising)
That's a much bigger problem of false advertising, if you are going to accuse the mockups of History of Hockey as misleading, then you have to accuse all of the products of false advertising.
Also, the cards are pretty dang close to what I saw at the Expo, like many others have said. The corners are not perfect, but they are pretty stinking close to what the actual one is from the same scan.
12-30-2012, 02:52 PM #18
I think the issue with the Richard rookie is that it wasn't a mock design, the damn card has been in circulation for years, some designer didn't sit down and create it last month for a preview of a product. It was right there at the display for all to see apparently, and lo and behold out popped something else. That's . Like the 1/1's in this product where there are a near identical 9 other cards.
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12-30-2012, 03:23 PM #19
I am the one who pulled the Richard.
I was more then happy to do so and the condition was ok for me, I didn't see the advertisement and had
no expectation of a mint vintage rc.
but when reading this:
what happened between expo and packout ?
why was the richard changed to a card in worse shape ?
I don't get the whole meanig of this:
Originally Posted by bprice
if so... you sent a mint richard in and got a card with round corners back ?
or did you acquire new cards from beckett and kept the ones you already had out of the product ?
12-30-2012, 08:47 PM #20
This statement was made by Jonpop:
"It was right there at the display for all to see apparently, and lo and behold out popped something else."
This is totally false and I would like Jonpop to come on these boards and confirm that he was at our booth, looked at our display and saw that the cards were not the ones in the product.
He has made this statement and now the collector (Marko) who actually got the card and was pleased with it makes the following comment based on Jonpop's post:
"I am at least asking myself now:
what happened between expo and packout ?
why was the richard changed to a card in worse shape ?"
Marko, the card you pulled was the one at the Expo on display.
I would like to hear direct from Jonpop exactly what he saw.
To say that we showed cards at the Expo one month before the product was released and then changed those cards is slanderous.
The mock-ups were done in July well before we determined to have Beckett slab the cards and are mock-ups. I hear posters loud and clear about identifying them as mock-ups in the future but to suggest we showed mock-ups at the Expo in November is another thing.
Jonpop you always have lots to say about our products, let's hear exactly what you saw at the Expo.