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01-03-2013, 02:26 PM #21
I agree on the principle. At the same time, he has every right to put "Hockey History" in there.
Let me ask you this. If Upper Deck repackaged a bunch of ITG cards and called it their own product, how happy would you be about that?
01-03-2013, 04:10 PM #22
Without focusing on shifting goalposts and getting into rhetorical scenarios about what who would do what in a reversed scenario, let's try to keep things on topic here as best as possible.
The seller engaged in a deceptive practice. It's no different, IMO, than a seller who puts "BGS 9.5?" in a thread title on a raw/ungraded card. Say I send in the card to BGS and it comes back only a 9 or an 8.5 - would I have grounds to say, "This card is not what you said it would be - I want my money back."
It's using the name of something unaffiliated to the actual product in an attempt to bolster its attractiveness. If someone wants to sell a standard PSA/DNA autograph, sell it on its own merits.
01-03-2013, 04:47 PM #23
My point was ITG is guilty of shady practices. They've taken existing products and called them their own. I wasn't going to say anything until of became apparent someone thinks he owns any phrase with "history" and "hockey" in it. I could handle reselling someone else's work as serving new and exciting, but not when coupled with the hypocrisy of complaining about a listing on eBay. Remember he's just a dude. A company should be held to higher standards and I don't think reselling a RC made by another company and saying it's your own "new" product.
So go ahead and complain about shady practices, but remember who made the first move.
01-03-2013, 05:12 PM #24
Really, History of Hockey is just like those "Find the Hidden Gem" boxes sold in retail stores that implore you to find the one box containing the Howe or Orr RC. Both products contain previously released cards from various manufacturers. The big difference being that you rarely find the "Hidden Gem" whereas buying History of Hockey you have better odds of receiveing valuable cards.Hidden Content
Collecting: (click links to see want lists)
Hidden Content (95% complete) / Hidden Content (83.4% complete) / Eric Lindros (35% complete) / Ilya Kovalchuk (25% complete)
...and to a lesser extent
Hidden Content (59% complete) / Hidden Content (42% complete) / Brian Propp (51% complete)
01-03-2013, 05:49 PM #25
I've never seen a "Find the Hidden Gems" at $300. You get about the same percentage return from the looks of it. Same game, just more money involved.
01-03-2013, 06:21 PM #26
01-03-2013, 06:30 PM #27
Good God, this product has brought out SO much anger in SO many people. It's just like Thanksgiving at our place a few months ago :D
No one is trying to copyright "History of Hockey," but like The Man says, if the eBay seller had tried selling his PSA/DNA cards back in August, those words wouldn't be in the auctions. The seller is trying to take advantage of some people. That's it. That's all.
I've said my bit about History of Hockey, and then I moved on. But after reading post after post since then, with the rising vitriol and borderline crazeeeeeee, I'd really like to know how many of y'all screaming your heads off actually paid money for this product??? My box was poop, my opinions were based on the reasons why it was poop. The new threads now tho, how long until you're wanting Doc Price to apolagize for shooting JFK????
01-03-2013, 08:06 PM #28
01-03-2013, 08:38 PM #29
01-03-2013, 09:03 PM #30
At the end of the day, I don't understand what all the fuss is about, regarding this product - or anyone that will correctly call out this eBayer for doing what he's doing: Listing his cards so that they appear to be part of the History Of Hockey release, when they are not.
Better question to ask - If you wanted a PSA authenticated autograph of Ken Dryden.... why would it matter who the seller is? If you want that Dryden, why some random eBayer selling it vs being packaged in an ITG release would make a difference to anyone, I'm not sure. I get why certified autographs are considered better (be that ITG, or any other company). Those cards have the usual COA on the back (signed in the presence of / gaurenteed by) where a PSA authenticator is simply giving an opinion. An expert opinion yes, but still just an opinion.
On the product in general, I go back to - why all the fuss? The product is selling for something in the $200-$300 deal, depending on what side of the border you're on, and where you buy it. All 4,000 cards from this release are listed on ITG's website. The price point is high, but there are some HUGE hits available. You're paying that price for the chance to pull a Vezina RC (amoung others) and if you think the price is too high, and the risk / reward isn't worth it - don't buy it.
I do think ITG made one big mistake with this release, and that was not using custom holders to identify the autographs. If they had, this conversation wouldn't be happening.