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    Ny poised to be 1st to pass post-massacre gun bill

    By MICHAEL GORMLEY | Associated Press – 1 hr 33 mins ago

    ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — Days after calling for an overhaul of gun control in New York following the Connecticut school shooting, Gov. Andrew Cuomo worked out a tough proposal on gun control with legislative leaders who promised to pass the most restrictive gun law in the nation.

    The measure passed the Senate 43-18 on the strength of support from Democrats, many of whom previously sponsored the bills that were once blocked by Republicans.

    The Democrat-led Assembly gaveled out before midnight and planned to take the issue up at 10 a.m. Tuesday. It is expected to pass easily.
    "This is a scourge on society," Cuomo said Monday night, one month after the Newtown, Conn., shooting that took the lives of 20 first graders and six educators. "At what point do you say, 'No more innocent loss of life.'"

    "It is well-balanced, it protects the Second Amendment," said Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos of Long Island. "And there is no confiscation of weapons, which was at one time being considered.



    "This is going to go after those who are bringing illegal guns into the state, who are slaughtering people in New York City," Skelos said. "This is going to put people in jail and keep people in jail who shouldn't be out on the street in the first place."

    "This will be the toughest gun control package in the nation," said Sen. Jeffrey Klein, leader of the Independent Democrat Conference that shares majority control with Republican senators. "All in all, it is a comprehensive, balanced approach that will save lives," Klein said in an interview.

    Cuomo said he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault rifles and ammunition as he tries to address what he estimates is about 1 million assault rifles in New York state. He made it a centerpiece of his progressive agenda in last week's State of the State address.

    Republican Sen. Greg Ball called that political opportunism in a rare criticism of the popular and powerful governor seen by his supporters as a possible candidate for president in 2016.

    "We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," said Ball who represents part of the Hudson Valley. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."
    The governor confirmed the proposal, previously worked out in closed session, called for a tougher assault weapons ban and restrictions on ammunition and the sale of guns, as well as a mandatory police registry of assault weapons, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands.

    It would create a more powerful tool to require the reporting of mentally ill people who say they intend to use a gun illegally and would address the unsafe storage of guns, the governor confirmed.

    Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features spelled out in the law. The proposal would reduce that to one feature and include the popular pistol grip.
    Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. Also Internet sales of assault weapons would be banned, and failing to safely store a weapon could be subject to a misdemeanor charge.

    Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

    In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report the incident to a mental health director who would have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.

    The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself.

    Legislators wouldn't comment on the tentative deal or the provisions discussed in closed-door conferences.
    "It's a tough vote," said Senate Deputy Majority Leader Thomas Libous of Broome County. "This is a very difficult issue depending on where you live in the state. I have had thousands of emails and calls ... and I have to respect their wishes."

    He said many of constituents worry the bill will conflict with the Second Amendment's right to bear arms while others anguish over shootings like at Newtown, Conn., and Columbine, Colo.

    A vote Monday would come exactly one month after a gunman killed 20 children and six educators inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

    The closed-door meetings prompted about a dozen gun workers to travel more than two hours to Albany to protest the legislation they say could cost 300 to 700 jobs in the economically hard-hit Mohawk Valley.

    "I have three small kids myself," said Jamie Rudall, a unionized worker who polishes shotgun receivers. "So I know what it means, the tragedy ... we need to look at ways to prevent that, rather than eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens."

    In the gun debate, one concern for New York is its major gun manufacturer upstate.
    Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve when the two firefighters were slain in Webster. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.
    Assemblyman Marc Butler, a Republican who represents the area, decried the closed-door meetings by Senate Republicans and the Democratic majority of the Assembly as "politics at its worst."

    The bill would be the first test of the new coalition in control of the Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.

    Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.
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    AP Writer Michael Virtanen contributed to this report from Albany.

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    I only have one problem with the push to pass laws like this, nobody seems to grasp the concept that passing laws that limit or ban certain guns will not prevent things like the school shooting in Mass.

    Additionally, the definition of assault weapons and the ban based on those definitions is tantamount to trying to limit how fast cars can go by banning what style of headlights they can have or what color of paint they can be painted. A pistol grip and folding stock do not limit the lethality of a gun. If a gun shoots a 180 grain bullet at 3200 feet per second, making the gun have a fixed position stock and no pistol grip does absolutely nothing to make the bullet go slower or carry less deadly force upon impact. If this type of "ban" makes liberals feel better then I support it 100% as they are all clearly to ignorant to grasp how pointless their ban is and how little it actually affects current and future gun owners. All this type of a gun ban is is political grandstanding to win the support of equally ignorant voters who also lack any conceptual understanding of how guns work.

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    Actually, there is such thing as illegal headlights.

    What laws, if any, would you like to see, Duane?

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    Only one part of your argument is correct...it wont stop shooting...the rest in my opinion has nothing to with the topic.

    -It was in Conn not Mass
    -Comparing guns to other products is hog wash (filter doesnt allow me to say something harsher!) Cars and users as well as guns have laws and regulations
    -Assault Gun bans and restrictions to certain items have worked in the past and should not have been allowed to expire

    I am sure not paying attention, however, CT announced a 3 pronged committee into how to address theses issues. The 3 areas beginning Mental Health, weapons laws/control. School Security. And you just called people ignorant? The only thing that is pointless is even trying to have a debate this type of attitude. you and Uncle Ted should have fun together.
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    Why the focus on Assault rifles? Handguns where used in Conn. correct?

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    Yes they were but you will get the theory if it was only handguns not as many children would have died.Even though one death is terrible.And of course this mad man would never be able to get an assault rifle if they were illegal or harder to get right?I mean you can go to the deep sides of any populated city in America and come away with an assault weapon.And that is a statistical fact my friends google it.


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    Why the focus on Assault rifles? Handguns where used in Conn. correct?
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    -I m not finding one article to backup what you are saying about only hand guns were used
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Actually, there is such thing as illegal headlights.

    What laws, if any, would you like to see, Duane?
    And those illegal headlights would not inhibit/change the ability of said car to go fast. Which was my point. Cosmetic restrictions do not affect performance.

    First let me say that there is no law that would have prevented the shooting in Mass., Colorado, or any of these other shootings that are getting headlines. These shootings were perpetrated by nutjobs who had no criminal background. Only a full ban of guns and confiscation of all firearms in America would prevent that and even then there would be a flow of illegal guns from other countries into the country that would be sold on the black market, so even that would be pointless since criminals who want them could get them.

    If I were going to ban anything I would ban weapons that are easily concealed. Assault rifles are long, cumbersome and hard to walk around with. Sub compact handguns can easily be tucked in a pocket and are far more commonly used in crimes/shootings than assault rifles.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMan1978 View Post
    Only one part of your argument is correct...it wont stop shooting...the rest in my opinion has nothing to with the topic.

    -It was in Conn not Mass
    -Comparing guns to other products is hog wash (filter doesnt allow me to say something harsher!) Cars and users as well as guns have laws and regulations
    -Assault Gun bans and restrictions to certain items have worked in the past and should not have been allowed to expire

    I am sure not paying attention, however, CT announced a 3 pronged committee into how to address theses issues. The 3 areas beginning Mental Health, weapons laws/control. School Security. And you just called people ignorant? The only thing that is pointless is even trying to have a debate this type of attitude. you and Uncle Ted should have fun together.
    Mass, Conn, a simple typo.

    I don't know why you can't get this. I am not comparing guns to cars, I am pointing out that cosmetic aspects do not affect performance. If you honestly believe that guns without a pistol grip are less deadly that guns with a pistol grip then you know absolutely nothing about how guns work.

    Show me an assault weapons ban that worked.

    If someone thinks that not having a postol grip or having a folding stock make s a gun less lethal, then yes, they are ignorant (or at least their concept of how guns works is). A folding stock does not make a bullet go faster or hit harder. A pistol grip does not make a bullet penetrate deeper into flesh. Those things are cosmetic. They are just for appearance. In fact, a folding stock makes a gun LESS accurate and thus LESS deadly, if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Actually, there is such thing as illegal headlights.

    What laws, if any, would you like to see, Duane?
    And those illegal headlights would not inhibit/change the ability of said car to go fast. Which was my point. Cosmetic restrictions do not affect performance.

    First let me say that there is no law that would have prevented the shooting in Mass., Colorado, or any of these other shootings that are getting headlines. These shootings were perpetrated by nutjobs who had no criminal background. Only a full ban of guns and confiscation of all firearms in America would prevent that and even then there would be a flow of illegal guns from other countries into the country that would be sold on the black market, so even that would be pointless since criminals who want them could get them.

    If I were going to ban anything I would ban weapons that are easily concealed. Assault rifles are long, cumbersome and hard to walk around with. Sub compact handguns can easily be tucked in a pocket and are far more commonly used in crimes/shootings than assault rifles.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMan1978 View Post
    Only one part of your argument is correct...it wont stop shooting...the rest in my opinion has nothing to with the topic.

    -It was in Conn not Mass
    -Comparing guns to other products is hog wash (filter doesnt allow me to say something harsher!) Cars and users as well as guns have laws and regulations
    -Assault Gun bans and restrictions to certain items have worked in the past and should not have been allowed to expire

    I am sure not paying attention, however, CT announced a 3 pronged committee into how to address theses issues. The 3 areas beginning Mental Health, weapons laws/control. School Security. And you just called people ignorant? The only thing that is pointless is even trying to have a debate this type of attitude. you and Uncle Ted should have fun together.
    Mass, Conn, a simple typo.

    I don't know why you can't get this. I am not comparing guns to cars, I am pointing out that cosmetic aspects do not affect performance. If you honestly believe that guns without a pistol grip are less deadly that guns with a pistol grip then you know absolutely nothing about how guns work.

    Show me an assault weapons ban that worked.

    If someone thinks that not having a postol grip or having a folding stock make s a gun less lethal, then yes, they are ignorant (or at least their concept of how guns works is). A folding stock does not make a bullet go faster or hit harder. A pistol grip does not make a bullet penetrate deeper into flesh. Those things are cosmetic. They are just for appearance. In fact, a folding stock makes a gun LESS accurate and thus LESS deadly, if anything.

    And I would flip my lid for a chance to go hang with Uncle Ted and would love every single second of it.

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    The point of the illegal headlights is that they're detrimental to others on the road. Irresponsible gun owners are a detriment to society. All I want to see is a little more responsibility forced onto said gun owners.
    And don't think I love under the delusion that this or anything else is going to prevent mass shootings. That's not the issue I'm looking at because the issue of guns requires a lot of moves in a lot of areas and adding responsibility to owners is one minute step in the grand scheme of things.

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