[QUOTE=shrewsbury;12410915]alex, there is a huge difference in knowing and controlling.

[QUOTE]If I give you a choice between "Box A" and "Box B" but I already know what you're going to choose, did I really give you a free choice?

yes you gave me choice just because you know what I will do does not mean you control what I do.

you know I will go to the bathroom today, but does that mean you forced me to?


if you come to my house I know you will come to my front door, but this does not mean I made you come to it, it was still your choice.

God has not predetermined what we do, He just knows us well enough to know what we will do.

think about it this way, you go to watch your favorite movie that you have seen 20 times, you know what will happen in the next seen, but does that mean you have controlled it ot even influenced it?