Thread: Ebay card question
01-28-2013, 08:21 AM #1
Ebay card question
<img src="http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Ty-Cobb-2004-SP-Legendary-Cuts-Autograph-14-18-Auto-Signature-HOF-Tigers-Mint-/00/s/MjE3WDMwMw==/$T2eC16RHJGoE9nuQfSyeBQ)UZuu4Ww~~60_12.JPG">< ;br><br>Hey everybody. Like I said said in my intro post, I'm getting back into the hobby after about 15 years away. The game used and autograph cards are a new thing for me. While I was looking around on ebay for some other stuff, I came across this. 2004 Ty Cobb SP Legendary Cuts Autograph. As I've gathered from looking around on here, a lot of the ebay sellers are also members on this site so I'm not looking to make trouble or anything like that. I'm just courious about this because Ty Cobb has been dead since 1961. From looking at the pic, I can tell that the auto was cut off of another &nbsp;piece, possibly a leter or something. I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with a little info on it. Thanks.
01-28-2013, 10:11 AM #2
You've pretty much answered your own question. Cobb has been dead for a little over 51 years, so that is what's called a "cut auto". The card manufacturer obtains a signed document of some type (a letter, a check, etc) that either has provenance to establish the legitimacy of the signature, or they get a handwriting expert (ie a forensic document examiner) to compare the signature in question to known, authenticated examples. They then certify the signature (provide their professional opinion) as legitimate, and the card manufacturer will incorporate the document into the card.
When you look on Ebay for signed sports memorabilia, you will encounter cards, balls, jerseys, etc that are documented as being signature authenticated by one of a couple different companies, PSA/DNA, or JSA (James Spence, who I believe started out at PSA/DNA). They charge a flat fee to authenticate signatures. I personally do not put a lot of faith in their authentication, because there are several examples where they have certified signatures that were proven to be inauthentic. But I leave it up to you to formulate your own opinion. There are several discussions on SCF about this very thing, just do a search on "PSA/DNA", "JSA", forged signatures, etc.
Lastly, you will see sports cards with something like "Topps certified authentic signature" printed right on the card. This means that either an employee of the company directly witnessed. the signature, or the player in question has signed the card(s), and certified to the company they did it (ie a notarized letter). Those are probably the safest bet, and those are what I collect.
Of course, collecting signatures of players that are deceased doesn't afford you that luxury . I don't expect somebody like Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle or Roberto Clemente to be sitting down for a card signing anytime soon.
Welcome back. I hope you have fun with the hobby again. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.
Last edited by the 'stache; 01-28-2013 at 10:27 AM.Collecting pre-war, vintage and modern baseball cards.
Currently working on the T206 set, 1975 Topps, master collections of Roberto Clemente and Robin Yount.
01-28-2013, 06:38 PM #3
Thanks for the info Bill. I wasn't sure about this. Its a little out of my price range anyway, but I thought I'd ask about it.