Thread: Ephesians 5:22-24
01-29-2013, 05:38 PM #21
wickabee, please post, we need some enlightenment around here!!!
but seriously, what you thinkingJay Shrewsbury
01-29-2013, 05:43 PM #22
01-29-2013, 06:06 PM #23
01-29-2013, 07:07 PM #24
There might not be any malice, but...
It is a good example of how the bible is outdated and should NOT be referenced as a guide to life in modern times.
Even though I personally don't like any type of marriage, I still understand why so many people do like it and I also know that a marriage won't last if the man thinks his wife is to constantly serve him and be beneath him on everything.
I mean, this is typical misogyny.
And I guess most men secretly fantasize to have a perfect obedient submissive wife.....but that's just not how it is.
I want to share some of my cultural knowledge.....I'm Hispanic, and in my household (a very religious household) my mom (who was born in Central America) is indeed a "typical good christian woman"....she cooks the food, she cleans the house, she irons the clothes, she took care of all the kids (4 including myself) and she has always had a job on top of all of that. I will say that my father has NEVER been abusive to her or me or my siblings, he is also a "good christian man" who doesn't drink, smoke, swear or commit "sin".
Now, I will admit that this is not completely the result of religion (in Hispanic culture, women are mostly submissive) but it is what it is.
Funny thing is....when I was younger (maybe about 15) I fully expected that if and when I got married, my wife would do the same things my mom did.
Now that I've grown up, I know that a relationship (at any level) is about equal status and helping each other.....and even though I'm Hispanic, I don't wish to follow my roots and treat woman as if they are beneath me.Logic and Reason is all you need.
01-29-2013, 07:20 PM #25
Great discussion.....for what it's worth....everything in the Bible is open to interpretation.....that is why there are so many translations of the Bible and why Bible study is a huge part of the religious experience.....for anyone to say "this" means "that" and so on are missing the true journey of learning about any sacred scriptures.
01-29-2013, 07:31 PM #26
01-29-2013, 07:37 PM #27
In the Christian religion, slavery was perfectly OK, and no where in the bible does it condemn it.
That is not timeless, nor is it good....it's down right evil.
You might like the nice things of the bible such as "love thy neighbor" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
But you can't cherry pick.
You MUST accept it all.....the good and the bad.Logic and Reason is all you need.
01-29-2013, 07:40 PM #28
This paragraph deals with the Christian Household and how we are supposed to be different than the world.
The Greek implies her submission is free and voluntary, not degrading, servile, or coercive (Col 3:18; Titus 2:5; 1 Pet 3:1) Since a wife entrusts herself to her husband as part of her devotion to the Lord, her submissioncannot be unconditional, especially if her husband commands what God expressly forbids(Acts 5:29). Though ancient society often viewed wives as the property of their husbands, Paul sees marriage as a loving partnership between spouses of equal dignity(Gal 3:28).
The husband's mission is to build up his marriage and family, not to dominate or demean them for selfish ends. His model is Christ, whose love was put into action by sacrifice. Again, Paul confronts prevailing customs, where husbands often reigned like tyrants over their household (Col 3:19; 1 Pet 3:7)
It is also helpful to read Eph 5:21.
01-29-2013, 07:47 PM #29
A husband can treat a woman like a queen, but if she is being submissive and she's beneath him, that's still not right, nor is modern.
It's like the thing about slavery.
You can treat a slave very good and with respect.....that still doesn't mean that owning another human is right.Logic and Reason is all you need.
01-29-2013, 07:48 PM #30