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    Black former NFL coaches say Rooney Rule is broken

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    Three black former NFL coaches say the league needs to rethink its Rooney Rule for promoting minority hiring after 15 top vacancies -- eight head coaching jobs and seven general manager positions -- were all filled by white candidates since the regular season ended a month ago.

    "I know the concept is good and something we need to do," said Tony Dungy, who was with the Indianapolis Colts during the 2006 season when he became the first black coach to win a Super Bowl. "Obviously, it's not working the way it should."

    The Rooney Rule, implemented in 2003, was named for Pittsburgh Steelers chairman Dan Rooney, who steadfastly pushed the league to require every team to interview at least one minority candidate every time there is a coaching or general manager opening.

    Before the rule went into effect, the NFL had only six minority coaches in more than 80 years. Since it has been in place, 12 have been hired.

    But none were hired this year to replace the two black coaches who were fired -- Romeo Crennel in Kansas City and Lovie Smith in Chicago -- and the one fired black GM, Rod Graves in Arizona.

    Herm Edwards, former coach of the New York Jets and Kansas City Chiefs and now an ESPN analyst, has called for not only revising the rule but perhaps even changing its name.

    "When you use the Rooney Rule and not correctly, you put a little bit of a bad mark on Mr. Rooney's name, and that is not good," Edwards said Wednesday. "If it keeps going this way, we might need to take his name off the rule. It is not being used in the right manner that Mr. Rooney meant it to be."

    Robert Gulliver, the NFL's executive vice president of human resources, said that the hiring results were "disappointing" and that he expects to make revisions in the rule.

    The Fritz Pollard Alliance, a group of minority coaches and front-office, scouting and game-day NFL officials, wants the Rooney Rule expanded to apply to coordinators, assistant head coaches and club president positions.

    Unlike Dungy and Edwards, Jim Caldwell is still coaching, albeit as an assistant. Not only that, his team, the Baltimore Ravens, will play the San Francisco 49ers in Sunday's Super Bowl. But he wasn't even invited to interview for one of the eight vacant coaching jobs, though having a team in the playoffs can be a hindrance to such opportunities.

    Fired as the Colts' coach after the 2011 season, Caldwell joined the Ravens as quarterbacks coach. When coach John Harbaugh fired offensive coordinator Cam Cameron in December, Caldwell was promoted. With his guidance, Baltimore's offense responded.

    Caldwell is no stranger to the Super Bowl, having led the Colts there three years ago after replacing the retired Dungy. It was only after Peyton Manning was sidelined for the 2011 season that Caldwell was fired.

    "It has been a great rule and it has worked in the past," he said. "Just like anything else, you have to, after a certain period of time, revisit it and take a look and see if it needs a little tweaking. I think it does in this particular case."

    Caldwell added: "That's one of the reasons that the Rooney Rule was put in place, because you're trying to avoid those situations, if possible. We're at that stage where guys like Lovie Smith, who didn't get an opportunity, who had won and been very successful previously ... obviously, there's some concern there, and that's why I think the rule is going to be revisited."

    Dungy said he believes the entire system is broken. He cited 21 coaching jobs changing in a three-year span, which he said indicates owners are making the wrong hires regardless of race.

    Edwards said he wonders whether minority candidates get interviewed only to satisfy the rule, even though they have no chance of getting the job. He and Dungy noted that the last black head coach hiring -- other than coaches promoted from within, such as Leslie Frazier, Raheem Morris, Mike Singletary, Hue Jackson and Crennel -- was Mike Tomlin by Pittsburgh in 2007.
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    I'm sick of hiring minorities for the sake that they're a minority. You can either do the job or not. It's that simple. I don't care if you're gay, straight, black, white, Klingon, whatever. If you can coach, then you're qualified in my book.
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    yeah this is getting old. They are entitled something because of their color? Teams are looking for whoever they feel best fits their needs. It isn't the league that's making race an issue here. If there was a black coach that fit what one of the teams was looking for then they would have talked to him. It comes to a point where people have to grow up and look at today and tomorrow rather than 200 years ago. There's a lot of big name white coaches that still don't have a job. WHO CARES! IF THEY COULD COACH THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN HIRED! No matter what ethnic background they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LancerArmstrong View Post
    I'm sick of hiring minorities for the sake that they're a minority. You can either do the job or not. It's that simple. I don't care if you're gay, straight, black, white, Klingon, whatever. If you can coach, then you're qualified in my book.
    100% agree with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LancerArmstrong View Post
    I'm sick of hiring minorities for the sake that they're a minority. You can either do the job or not. It's that simple. I don't care if you're gay, straight, black, white, Klingon, whatever. If you can coach, then you're qualified in my book.
    The rule is in place for this very reason.
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    The problem with the Rooney Rule and other similar race-based, gender-based, etc systems is they start out as positive measures to address a real problem. However, once that problem has been addressed, and the threat of discrimination minimized, no one ever rolls back these measures because it is seen as politically incorrect.

    What results is that the rule that was enacted to prevent race-based discriination is evoked repeatedly past its useful life to evoke race and claims of racism. Football is big business, there is a pipeline of talented men of all races both playing and coaching. I cannot think of a single organization that would not hire a qualified minority candidate if they were the best option.
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    What criteria does one use to measure when "the problem" has been adequately addressed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LancerArmstrong View Post
    I'm sick of hiring minorities for the sake that they're a minority. You can either do the job or not. It's that simple. I don't care if you're gay, straight, black, white, Klingon, whatever. If you can coach, then you're qualified in my book.
    Exactly - that is why African-American coaches and executives should be hired instad of useless white guys like Norv Turner, Matt Millen, Dick Jauron, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini....
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    Color shouldn't be a factor. People who only see color rather than the character and qualifications are flawed in their thinking, and need to get their heads examined.
    Quote Originally Posted by OZTATAR View Post
    Exactly - that is why African-American coaches and executives should be hired instad of useless white guys like Norv Turner, Matt Millen, Dick Jauron, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini....
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    "Caldwell is no stranger to the Super Bowl, having led the Colts there three years ago after replacing the retired Dungy. It was only after Peyton Manning was sidelined for the 2011 season that Caldwell was fired.

    I could have coached them to the same record. This line of thinking is insane. Doesnt this prove that he was not a good coach? If tony Dungy had lost peyton manning for the entire season, he probably would have found a way to get more than one or two wins that season BECAUSE HE WAS A GOOD COACH! the Colts going from one of the best to one the absolute worst teams in NFL history over night just proved that Peyton was carrying the team and it had nothing to do with coaching. Is it racism? or is it common sense that people may not want this guy to be their head coach/ seriously. This is just stupid.
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