Girl who performed at Obama's inauguration gunned down a week later in Chicago

[tpeichel]

I'm surprised no one shouted "false flag!"

And yes, the problem is a culture of guns, not their existence. The entire nation is based on Guns. You don't mention God, but you do mention bombs and guns. The US is a culture of violence, not just gun violence.

Basically you guys are screwed until you all change your thinking and it's never going to happen.

In short, the US is screwed.

Guns have always been plentiful and easy to acquire in the U.S. This is not a new phenomena. Something else is going on.

[tpeichel]

If anyone has data that shows that more guns means more violence, please post it. No country in the world has anywhere near the gun ownership of the U.S. population. If more guns equals more violence, shouldn't the U.S. have much higher murder rates?

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

[Wickabee]

It's not about more or less guns. It's about an entire society seemingly founded on gun violence. Sure, there are other issues at play, but those issues wouldn't cause the amount of death if Americans weren't walking around with guns stuffed up their butts.

[tpeichel]

It's not about more or less guns. It's about an entire society seemingly founded on gun violence. Sure, there are other issues at play, but those issues wouldn't cause the amount of death if Americans weren't walking around with guns stuffed up their butts.

So you're ignoring that the U.S. homicide rate is at the low end of the spectrum when compared to other countries?

[Wickabee]

So you're ignoring that the U.S. homicide rate is at the low end of the spectrum when compared to other countries?

Which countries?

[tpeichel]

Which countries?

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

[Wickabee]

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you!
Let's look at this:
Homicides per 100,000 pop. (2008, of course)
USA: 5.22
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Canada: 1.67
Iran: 2.88
India: 2.77
UK: 1.57
Peru: 3.21
Norway 0.64
Sweden: 0.89
Finland: 2.49
China: 1.21
Japan: 0.45
Germany: 0.8
Poland 1.21
Spain: 0.91
France: 1.35
Latvia: 4.38
Slovakia: 1.47
Italy: 1.16
Switzerland: 0.72
Czech Republic: 1.96
Austria: 0.58
Aghanistan: 3.44
Bangladesh: 2.56
Uzbekistan: 3.24
Turkmenistan: 4.13
Saudi Arabia: 0.85

EDITED TO ADD:
Algeria: 0.64
Morocco: 0.4
Nigeria: 1.29
Sierra Leon: 2.63
Ivory Coast: 0.37
Australia: 1.23
Vietnam: 1.85

What exactly was you're point again? You're better than Mexico and Russia? Was I supposed to just look and go "Wo, that's a lot of red, hyuck!" and take your word for this?

No dice.

[FioreSA]

I see switzerland has a very low # 0.72 and they are one of the most armed countries as each male is issued a weapon and must keep it. Also, they have a very large amount of fully automatic weapons for their citizens. If you say more guns = more homicides, what about switzerland? why do they have such a high volume of guns and heavy weaponary and such a low number of homicides? I also see England at 1.57, with such strict gun laws that England has, why is that number over double such a highly armed switzerland? Makes me think the amount of guns has nothing to do with this, or if everyone had a gun, we would have less murders than if no one did.

[tpeichel]

Not sure why you're using old numbers, but here are the homicide rates for 2012. If guns cause more violence as the gun grabbers contend, the most heavily armed citizenry by far (its not even close), should obviously have the highest or close to the highest homicide rates. My point in showing the data, is that the U.S. is not anywhere near the top so obviously the correlation between guns and homicide rates does not exist. (The U.S. rate is 4.8 according to this data.)

Country	Rate
Honduras	91.6
El Salvador	69.2
Côte d'Ivoire	56.9
Jamaica	52.2
Venezuela	45.1
Belize	41.4
U.S. Virgin Islands	39.2
Guatemala	38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis	38.2
Lesotho	35.2
Trinidad and Tobago	35.2
South Africa	31.8
Colombia	31.0
Congo	30.8
Central African Republic	29.3
Bahamas	27.4
Puerto Rico	26.2
Saint Lucia	25.2
Dominican Republic	25.0
Tanzania	24.5
Sudan	24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines	22.9
Mexico	22.7
Ethiopia	22.5
Guinea	22.5
Dominica	22.1
Burundi	21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo	21.7
Panama	21.6
Brazil	21.0
Equatorial Guinea	20.7
Guinea-Bissau	20.2
Kenya	20.1
Kyrgyzstan	20.1
Cameroon	19.7
Montserrat	19.7
Greenland	19.2
Angola	19.0
Guyana	18.6
Burkina Faso	18.0
Eritrea	17.8
Namibia	17.2
Rwanda	17.1
Chad	15.8
Ghana	15.7
Ecuador	15.2
North Korea	15.2
Benin	15.1
Sierra Leone	14.9
Mauritania	14.7
Botswana	14.5
Zimbabwe	14.3
Gabon	13.8
Nicaragua	13.6
French Guiana	13.3
Papua New Guinea	13.0
Swaziland	12.9
Bermuda	12.3
Comoros	12.2
Nigeria	12.2
Cape Verde	11.6
Grenada	11.5
Paraguay	11.5
Barbados	11.3
Togo	10.9
Gambia	10.8
Peru	10.3
Myanmar	10.2
Russia	10.2
Liberia	10.1
Costa Rica	10.0
Nauru	9.8
Bolivia	8.9
Mozambique	8.8
Kazakhstan	8.8
Senegal	8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands	8.7
Mongolia	8.7
British Virgin Islands	8.6
Cayman Islands	8.4
Seychelles	8.3
Madagascar	8.1
Indonesia	8.1
Mali	8.0
Pakistan	7.8
Moldova	7.5
Kiribati	7.3
Guadeloupe	7.0
Haiti	6.9
Timor-Leste	6.9
Anguilla	6.8
Antigua and Barbuda	6.8
Lithuania	6.6
Uruguay	5.9
Philippines	5.4
Ukraine	5.2
Estonia	5.2
Cuba	5.0
Belarus	4.9
United States	4.8
Thailand	4.8
Suriname	4.6
Laos	4.6
Georgia	4.3
Martinique	4.2
Turkmenistan	4.2
Yemen	4.2
Palestine	4.1
Albania	4.0
Niger	3.8
Solomon Islands	3.7
Sri Lanka	3.6
Montenegro	3.5
Djibouti	3.4
Argentina	3.4
Cambodia	3.4
India	3.4
Turkey	3.3
Chile	3.2
Taiwan	3.2
Uzbekistan	3.1
Latvia	3.1
Iran	3.0
Libya	2.9
Nepal	2.8
Liechtenstein	2.8
Fiji	2.8
Bangladesh	2.7
South Korea	2.6
Mauritius	2.5
Luxembourg	2.5
Afghanistan	2.4
Malaysia	2.3
Syria	2.3
Azerbaijan	2.2
Kuwait	2.2
Lebanon	2.2
Finland	2.2
Tajikistan	2.1
Israel	2.1
Iraq	2.0
Bulgaria	2.0
Romania	2.0
São Tomé and Príncipe	1.9
Macedonia	1.9
Jordan	1.8
Cyprus	1.7
Czech Republic	1.7
Belgium	1.7
Canada	1.6
Vietnam	1.6
Maldives	1.6
Somalia	1.5
Algeria	1.5
Slovakia	1.5
Bosnia and Herzegovina	1.5
Greece	1.5
Morocco	1.4
Armenia	1.4
Croatia	1.4
Hungary	1.3
Andorra	1.3
Egypt	1.2
Ireland	1.2
United Kingdom	1.2
Portugal	1.2
Serbia	1.2
Tunisia	1.1
Poland	1.1
France	1.1
Netherlands	1.1
Samoa	1.1
China	1.0
Bhutan	1.0
Saudi Arabia	1.0
Sweden	1.0
Malta	1.0
Australia	1.0
Tonga	1.0
Qatar	0.9
Denmark	0.9
Italy	0.9
New Zealand	0.9
Vanuatu	0.9
Federated States of Micronesia	0.9
United Arab Emirates	0.8
Spain	0.8
Germany	0.8
Macau	0.7
Oman	0.7
Slovenia	0.7
Switzerland	0.7
Bahrain	0.6
Norway	0.6
Austria	0.6
Guam	0.6
Brunei	0.5
Japan	0.4
French Polynesia	0.4
Singapore	0.3
Iceland	0.3
Hong Kong	0.2
Monaco	0.0
Palau	0.0

[Wickabee]

Just going by the site you gave me. If you don't like the numbers you should probably keep them to yourself.