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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by JBpatches View Post
    Anyone with a Brewers avatar and Ryan Braun banner will not have an unbiased opinion about this.

    He's a cheater.
    Agree, except for one thing. His name is not Braun, it's Braunoid, just like all his other brethren in the "Oid" family, ARoid, Barroid, Cansecoid, Clemenoid, Giamboid x 2, McGwiroid, Ortizoid, Palmeiroid, Pettittoid, Rockeroid, Sosaoid along with all the others. Deny, deny, deny. Like I always say, a space alien came down and peed in his specimen cup. Everyone who believes he is innocent is in the same category as people who believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.




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  2. #42
    braun fans act like he got his suspension overturned by proving he didn't take anything. he got it overturned on a technicality. It is like a criminal getting off because they find out the arresting officer forgot to read him his miranda rights. Getting off on a technicality is not the same as proving you are innocent.
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  3. #43
    Ah NY Sports Teams, the forum mouth breather, with his usual insightful post.
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  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by NY Sports Teams View Post
    Agree, except for one thing. His name is not Braun, it's Braunoid, just like all his other brethren in the "Oid" family, ARoid, Barroid, Cansecoid, Clemenoid, Giamboid x 2, McGwiroid, Ortizoid, Palmeiroid, Pettittoid, Rockeroid, Sosaoid along with all the others. Deny, deny, deny. Like I always say, a space alien came down and peed in his specimen cup. Everyone who believes he is innocent is in the same category as people who believe in the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.




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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by ensbergcollector View Post
    braun fans act like he got his suspension overturned by proving he didn't take anything. he got it overturned on a technicality. It is like a criminal getting off because they find out the arresting officer forgot to read him his miranda rights. Getting off on a technicality is not the same as proving you are innocent.
    ensbergcollector, when is the last time the Brewers won the World Series? Wait, it's coming to me.......................................NEVER
    ROTFLMAO

    The Braunoid/Brewer fans have only Braunoid to hold onto for hope. What a joke.

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  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by JBpatches View Post
    What do you mean about the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy?
    Sorry, you can still believe in them, just as Braunoids fans can believe him. LOL

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  7. #47
    Haha this thread is hilarious. Everyone knows Braun is a fraud and a cheater. The only people who can't see it are the homer Brewers fans.
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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by nadeau01_johnson48 View Post
    Haha this thread is hilarious. Everyone knows Braunoid is a fraud and a cheater. The only people who can't see it are the homer Brewers fans.
    Say it ain't so.

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  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by ensbergcollector View Post
    braun fans act like he got his suspension overturned by proving he didn't take anything. he got it overturned on a technicality. It is like a criminal getting off because they find out the arresting officer forgot to read him his miranda rights. Getting off on a technicality is not the same as proving you are innocent.
    100% incorrect.

    Show me anywhere where Shyam Das, the independent arbitrator, has said that Braun got off on a technicality. The news outlets might say it, but they haven't looked at any of the facts of the case, nor have they read the Das opinion.

    A "technicality" is "hey this collector held on to the sample for two days, and didn't mail it like he should have". If that's all it took for Das to overturn, why did he spend seven weeks from the end of the appeal to make his decision, hmm? What was he doing during that time, sleeping?

    The test showed elevated levels of testosterone. MLB contended it was due to an illegal substance. Braun's defense team had several options available to them, ways they could get the suspension overturned. They choose to go after procedural inconsistencies. It doesn't for a second mean that they couldn't have gone after the science, it means that they decided on the easiest path to an overturn.

    Braun's defense team were able to take clean samples, subject them to the same conditions that the questionable sample was stored in, and the samples demonstrated the same elevated testosterone levels.

    Let me repeat that. Ryan Braun's defense team were able to replicate the elevated levels of testosterone with clean samples.

    Do you understand? Will Carroll, a member of the BBWAA, and a sports writer for Sports Illustrated specializing in medical issues, including performance-enhancing drugs, said this:

    Repeatable result showed exactly how Braun’s single test showed positive. Arbitrator agreed. Simple, isn’t it?
    https://twitter.com/injuryexpert/sta...73030148694018

    They were able to reproduce the levels that MLB said were due to a banned substance simply by letting the sample sit out for the same amount of time, in the same environment. A clean sample was subjected to the same conditions...and when retested, testosterone levels were abnormally high.

    So, no, it wasn't some stupid technicality that got Braun off. If you, or anybody else says he did "get off on a technicality", it shows an ignorance of the process, and of the information available.
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  10. #50
    Jon Heyman of CBS Sports:
    Braun should be considered innocent, not lucky

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    Ryan Braun did not get off on a technicality. He should not be presumed guilty, especially now that he has proved he is not guilty. And he should not be seen as lucky, either.

    If anything, Braun is unfortunate that the failed test result ever leaked. This system is supposed to secure confidentiality, but unfortunately, someone has loose lips. Surely not anyone with MLB nor certainly Braun's camp, but someone.

    Braun was unfairly tagged a steroid cheat to start, and even now, after he won his case and proved there was no good, winning case against him, some are still calling it a "technicality'' that won the day, or even calling him lucky. Well, if having an unfair, unfortunate scarlet letter hanging over your normal-sized head is lucky, then that's him. Braun surely was elated to have prevailed. But he was said by friends to have felt "drained'' after spending his winter vacation gearing up for a fight and probably occasionally imagining the worst.

    Well, the worst didn't happen. As it turns out, the system works. The Brewers' star was not guilty, and he should be considered not guilty. The independent arbitrator Shyam Das weighed the evidence for seven weeks and found the case against Braun stunk. Or at the very least, it wasn't proved.

    Braun said he is innocent, and fairly, he should be seen that way.

    This is actually that rare example of justice where the defendant is presumed guilty and has to prove one of two things, either 1) he's innocent, or 2) the test wasn't fair or proper. Since it's near to impossible to prove one's innocence beyond a shadow of a doubt (he passed a test of his own taking a couple weeks after the October test, but that has little to no value), this case obviously had issues, big issues.

    The independent test taker held the sample for 48 hours, which makes no sense. While it's technically allowed by baseball for the fellow to refrigerate for two days as he did, or even keep it in his kid's room if he so desires, there is no good reason he couldn't find a FedEx open in Milwaukee. Baseball would say it's safer with him than on some shelf at a FedEx. But why does it have to be on a shelf at all?Baseball would also say other tests have sat on a shelf at FedEx, though it isn't known whether any of those samples came up positives.There are 24-hour FedExes all across the country, and certainly one in Milwaukee. There is also no reason the test taker would wait until 1:30 p.m. Monday to send it off. Did he have a lunch date? Did he bring it with him to his lunch date?

    The question has to be asked now: Was it even Braun's sample? After a two-day lapse, who can be absolutely sure?

    And if it was, is it possible the sample was somehow contaminated? Baseball would argue that the jar was triple sealed, but the doubt wasn't sealed out. Someone close to Braun said there was evidence of deterioration in Braun's sample but not the other five samples taken that playoff weekend. MLB people deny that is the case, though even if that's not the case, there is still plenty of room for doubt either, here way.
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