The Drone Strike program is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and an EGREGIOUS violation!

[Wickabee]

When did I say not to give trials to people who kill one person?

I'm in favor of giving a trial to anyone that is apprehended.

When you went bananas over this and not the Empire shooter or the 9 who were wounded in that debacle.

[Wickabee]

How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot. Where another country has the power??

umm...

[JustAlex]

When you went bananas over this and not the Empire shooter or the 9 who were wounded in that debacle.

Huh?

So, because I didn't comment on that (was it even discussed here?), you think I have a double standard or something?

I can assure you I value our constitution very much.

This tactic is unlawful and many innocent people have died.

It doesn't matter to me if it's a GOP or Dem that is behind it.

I sincerely hope this gets investigated and stopped.

I also believe all the wars they have waged in the middle east are illegal...but that's for a different thread.

[Wickabee]

Huh?

So, because I didn't comment on that (was it even discussed here?), you think I have a double standard or something?

You claim every citizen should get a trial.
He didn't you don't care. But more telling, you cry about collateral damage yet did you say a word about that collateral damage. 9 wounded to shoot one guy who was done what he was doing is okay because it's a smaller number and they didn't die? You're darn right that's a double standard.

However, I think the whole point of this thread is:

It doesn't matter to me if it's a GOP or Dem that is behind it.

This has more to do with proving something to the board than it does your actual outrage. Front to back this doesn't read like one of your usual "I'm angry about this" posts. It seems contrived and measured. You don't write like that, you never have.

[shrewsbury]

sigmundabee or wickafreud?

[JustAlex]

You claim every citizen should get a trial.
He didn't you don't care. But more telling, you cry about collateral damage yet did you say a word about that collateral damage. 9 wounded to shoot one guy who was done what he was doing is okay because it's a smaller number and they didn't die? You're darn right that's a double standard.

Didn't I just say I do care?

Why are we still discussing this?

What's the point of saying it over and over, if I already said that I do care that 9 people were wounded?

The reason why I'm putting it aside is because this particular thread is about the drone strikes.

This has more to do with proving something to the board than it does your actual outrage. Front to back this doesn't read like one of your usual "I'm angry about this" posts. It seems contrived and measured. You don't write like that, you never have.

The reason I said what I said in the beginning was because I get tired of the false dichotomy that people on here place on me.

They believe that since I constantly criticize the GOP, I'm obviously a democrat.....that couldn't be further from the truth.

Although I will admit that I did consider myself a democrat when I first voted for Obama in 2008.

But at the moment, I genuinely do not support either party.....when I say the democrats are the lesser of two evils, I really mean that.

What Obama and his administration is doing here, is a huge violation of international law and human rights, it's just that simple.

[Wickabee]

I get the same crap from the same people. I don't make threads trying to disprove it.

Jungabee

[JustAlex]

I made this thread to talk about the drone strike program.

All but one of my posts have been on topic.

I suggest we stop the psychoanalysis and get back on topic.

[centrehice]

How can you get back on topic when you are trying to justify the US Constitution in specific situations where they do not apply, mostly involving situations where person with a gun & with a point to make, and willing to die to make that point is not willing to compromise and more than willing to kill innocents.

If people are not willing to compromise, how can they be a part of due process. You have to be alive to stand trial. Killing with no regard and hoping that you die as well is not a breakdown in the judicial or process of law, or the absence of due process, it's a result of human behaviour gone amok.

The job of police is to uphold the law and protect citizens. They cannot due that job if perpetrators are not in the least bit willing to cooperate. Those consequences as laid out by the perpetrators often result in extreme force as you witnessed today.

[JustAlex]

^Let's forget about the whole due process for a second...

I personally don't see that as the biggest detriment to this program....THIS, is why this program should come to a halt:

Names of children killed in U.S. drone strikes
(Information taken from The Bureau of Investigative Journalism’s database[19] of drone strikes and corresponding casualties.)
Name Age Date
Unknown 10 June 17, 2004
Unknown 16 June 17, 2004
Unknown(3 girls) unk November 5, 2005
Abdul Wasit 17 December 1, 2005
Noor Aziz 8 December 1, 2005
Unknown unk February 6, 2006
Unknown (5-6) unk February 13, 2006
Najibullah 13 October 30, 2006
Adnan 16 October 30, 2006
Inayatullah 15 October 30, 2006
Iftikhar 17 October 30, 2006
Wali-ur-Rahman 17 October 30, 2006
Rahman 13 October 30, 2006
Fazal Wahab 18 October 30, 2006
Jamroz Khan unk October 30, 2006
Talha 8 October 30, 2006
Sakirullah 16 October 30, 2006
Nimatullah 14 October 30, 2006
Shafiullah 16 October 30, 2006
Qari Sharifullah 17 October 30, 2006
Shabir 15 October 30, 2006
Shehzad Gul 11 October 30, 2006
Zabihullah 16 October 30, 2006
Wilayat Khan 11 October 30, 2006
Kitab Gul 12 October 30, 2006
Hizbullah 10 October 30, 2006
Naeemullah 17 October 30, 2006
Noor Mohammad 15 October 30, 2006
Ziaur Rhaman 13 October 30, 2006
Inayatur Rahman 17 October 30, 2006
Shaukat 14 October 30, 2006
Ameer Said 15 October 30, 2006
Darvesh 13 October 30, 2006
Abdul Waris 16 October 30, 2006
Saeedullah 17 October 30, 2006
Siraj 16 October 30, 2006
Abdus Samad 17 October 30, 2006
Rahmatullah 14 October 30, 2006
Qari Abdul Karim 19 October 30, 2006
Alam Nabi 11 October 30, 2006
Jamshed Khan 14 October 30, 2006
Qari Ishaq 19 October 30, 2006
Zaheeruddin 16 October 30, 2006
Taseel Khan 18 October 30, 2006
Ismail 12 October 30, 2006
Jannatullah 13 October 30, 2006
Salman 16 October 30, 2006
Luqman 12 October 30, 2006
Ihsanullah 16 October 30, 2006
Mashooq Khan 16 October 30, 2006
Numair 14 October 30, 2006
Bakht Muneer 14 October 30, 2006
Gul Sher Khan 15 October 30, 2006
Shahjehan 15 October 30, 2006
Mohammad Salim 11 October 30, 2006
Khan 21 October 30, 2006
Rahatullah 17 October 30, 2006
Yahya Khan 16 October 30, 2006
Inayatur Rhaman 16 October 30, 2006
Shahbuddin 15 October 30, 2006
Ikramullah 17 October 30, 2006
Abdullah 18 October 30, 2006
Ziaur Rahman 17 October 30, 2006
Ghulam Nabi 21 October 30, 2006
Qari Alamzeb 14 October 30, 2006
Mohammad Yaas Khan 16 October 30, 2006
Sultanat Khan 16 October 30, 2006
Nawab 17 October 30, 2006
Mashooq Jan 15 October 30, 2006
Razi Mohammad 16 October 30, 2006
Saifullah 9 October 30, 2006
Khalid 12 October 30, 2006
Noor Mohammad 8 October 30, 2006
Kalilullah 9 October 30, 2006
Shoaib 8 October 30, 2006
Asadullah 9 October 30, 2006
Sohail 7 October 30, 2006
Ilyas 13 October 30, 2006
Fazel Hakim 19 October 30, 2006
Mohammad Yunus 16 October 30, 2006
Ziauddin 16 October 30, 2006
Fazel Wahab 16 October 30, 2006
Azizul Wahab 15 October 30, 2006
Maulvi Khaleefa unk October 30, 2006
Mohammad Tahir 16 October 30, 2006
Possible children unk June 19, 2007
Unknown (3 children) unk February 29, 2008
Unknown (3 children) unk May 14, 2008
Unknown (3 children) unk July 28, 2008
Unknown unk August 30, 2008
Unknown (3-4 children) unk September 5, 2008
Unknown (8 children) unk September 8, 2008
Unknown unk October 3, 2008
Unknown (3 children) unk October 3, 2008
Unknown (1-4 children) 14.5 October 9, 2008
Possible students 12-18 October 23, 2008
0-3 children unk October 26, 2008
Unknown unk November 14, 2008
possible children unk November 29, 2008
Azaz-ur-Rehman 14 January 23, 2009
Maezol Khan 3 January 23, 2009
Noor Syed 8 February 14, 2009
Unknown (3 children) unk April 1, 2009
Unknown (3-4 children) unk April 4, 2009
Unknown (2 children) unk April, 19, 2009
Unknown (10 children) unk June 23, 2009
Ibad Ullah unk August 11, 2009
Mohammad Arif unk August 11, 2009
Abdul Qadeer unk August 11, 2009
Hazart Ali unk August 11, 2009
Syed Wali Shah 7 August 21, 2009
Unknown (5 children) unk August 21, 2009
Unknown (3 children) unk September 8, 2009
Sakeenullah 15 November 20, 2009
Zenullah Khan 17 December 31, 2009
Wajid Noor 9 January 3, 2010
Ayesha 3 January 8, 2010
Naila 10 February 24, 2010
Unknown 14 March 31, 2010
Fatima Khan unk May 21, 2010
Nisar Khan unk May 21, 2010
Naeem Khan unk May 21, 2010
Unknown unk May 21, 2010
Unknown unk August 14, 2010
Unknown (3 orphans) unk August 23, 2010
Unknown (4 children) unk September 8, 2010
Naeem Ullah 10 October 18, 2010
Unknown unk November 16, 2010
Ismael Mohammed unk March 17, 2011
Atif 12 April 22, 2011
Unknown (2 children) unk April 22, 2011
Unknown unk August 16, 2011
Unknown (2 children) unk August 22, 2011
Tariq Aziz 16 October 31, 2011
Waheed Khan 12 October 31, 2011
Unknown unk February 9, 2012
Osama Haqqani 13 August 21, 2012