02-15-2013, 08:33 PM #51
[QUOTE=shrewsbury;12504496]so is the idea of owning guns only for the purpose of fighting our own soldiers or an invading army? Because, besides this and just for fun there is really no need for 20-30 round clips. if this is the case we should have access to better stuff, because we are not going to be stopping tanks, jets, and the like with these weapons.
If people want access to better stuff, they can obtain Class III licenses. A guy that lives down the road from me has a tank in his barn. It's "decommissioned"... He still has the firing mechanism to install to make it fully operable. Class III licenses are relatively tough to obtain. You have to go through ATF with paperwork, thorough background check and pay I believe is $2,500. Also, besides paying 2500, a yearly fee is applied as well. Fully automatic machine guns like the M16 can get high in price. Up to $20k. So yes, we do have access to "better stuff", you just have to give an arm and a leg for it. And be heavily watched and regulated by ATF."There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution" - John Adams, March 4, 1797 – March 4, 1801
02-15-2013, 10:38 PM #52
02-16-2013, 12:06 PM #53
habs, if you are pulled over it is because you are being accused of a crime, so yes you have to show proof of insurance.
but when you renew your drivers license or get new tags you do not have to show proof.
so why should I have to show proof that my gun/guns are secured safely unless I am committing a crime or a victim of a crime?Jay Shrewsbury
02-16-2013, 12:17 PM #54
I know someone is going to come in here saying I'm blaming guns for crime. I'll explain now so that person can look like an idiot.
Some will see this as semantics, but written law is semantics. As you've put it, if you get accused of petty theft, they come in regardless of the fact that no gun was used. Also, as you've put it, if your gun is used by someone else in a crime, how you stored it is of no consequence.
So I would say if your gun is found to have been used in a crime your house is immediately inspected. Though for what I don't know, since safely and securely isn't defined.
04-20-2013, 12:01 PM #55
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04-20-2013, 08:07 PM #56
Between 2001 and 2008 we had just 135 violent crimes reported. I can't find any data for the last 4 years, but I know we rarely have a murder.
04-20-2013, 09:55 PM #57
When researchers studied the 30,000 accidental gun deaths of Americans of all ages that occurred between 1979-1997, they found that preschoolers aged 0-4 were 17 times more likely to die from a gun accident in the 4 states with the most guns versus the 4 states with the least guns. Likewise, school kids aged 5-14 were over 13 times more at risk of accidental firearm death in the states with high gun ownership rates. The findings indicate that gun availability is associated with accidental death by shooting.
I doubt much has changed in these numbers but I couldn't find anything more recent. Good to see you do not believe in locking up your weapons. Hopefully you never have to learn the ridiculousness of this the hard way like so many others have.
04-21-2013, 03:33 PM #58
Accidental gun deaths for kids is almost always associated with kids who were not properly educated on gun safety, guns not being toys and how dangerous guns are. My kids are all accomplished shooters and fully trained in gun safety.
The only thing that is ridiculous is the liberal idea that if someone is around guns then they are automatically in danger.
04-21-2013, 07:20 PM #59
04-21-2013, 07:30 PM #60
When my kids were younger my guns were in a secure location where my small children could not get them, but they were still accessible to my wife if she need them.
Being able to access them does not necessarily mean easy to get. Your position that guns are either locked away or easy to get with no middle ground is ludicrous. This anti-gun nut idea that if guns are not secured in a locked maximum security vault with motion sensors, armed guards and a moat around them then kids will get them and go on murderous killing sprees is just ridiculous. If you libs trust your kids so little that you fear them then I pity you.