Which act would be considered more immoral

[MadMan1978]

Neither since he or a "GOD" doesnt exist ....

[Rowdy Gentleman]

so your answer should be for everyone?

though I would not go as far as saying abortion is a sin or immoral, I still don't not like it and wish people had more or better choices.

Pro-life is something that I will defend to the death of me. I don't understand how anyone could take the life away of a child they created. Especially when the three foundations America was founded on were John Locke's Natural Rights Philosophy later adopted and changed by Thomas Jefferson which was the base of the Decleration of Independence. These three simple rights played a major part in the development in our early country and our government. People seem to forget these three rights: Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness. Abortion takes these three rights and completely does the opposite.

If abortion is the choice of the woman why do clinics not tell them the truth and sugar coat everything down? Why are Ultrasounds not offered before the operation? If Pro-Choice advocates main argument is that the child is, well, not a child then why were half-born abortions ever legal or even considered to be legal? Why are the clinics Racial profiling? Why did abortion remain legal when Norma leah Nelson, THE Jane Roe, the solemn reason abortion is legal today beg and plead for the judge to reconsider one day prior to Rowe v. Wade?


Don't take this as me disregarding your opinions, take this as me trying to tell you the other half of the story.

[centrehice]

You are a catholic and a large % of catholic men and priests mo each other, and young kids, and are all protected by parishioners, and the vatican, so of course you would choose abortion.

[Rowdy Gentleman]

You are a catholic and a large % of catholic men and priests mo each other, and young kids, and are all protected by parishioners, and the vatican, so of course you would choose abortion.

I'm lost trying to decipher your post. I think you're implying that due to conformity I was, for the sake of the "argument", "brainwashed" by the Church to conform and defend its teachings. This is not the case, I thought I made this clear. I don't agree with all the church teaches, but that's for a different argument. I, and completely I, disagree with abortion due to said reasons. Propoganda has not influenced my decision or the points in my case at all. If you would gladly counter my point in a professional way then go ahead. At this point in time you're sounding quite ignorant and have yet to see you give any sort of constructive criticism what so ever. You tend to drill in to people that your "beliefs" are right and others aren't.

[Wickabee]

Anyone else notice that the title defines "immoral" as "a sin in God's eyes"

Are we a in agreement that "moral" = "with God's wishes"?

[Rowdy Gentleman]

Anyone else notice that the title defines "immoral" as "a sin in God's eyes"

Are we a in agreement that "moral" = "with God's wishes"?

I lean more torwards moral=whatever your respected religious leaders wish

[JustAlex]

I want any and every theist to answer whether or not the following are immoral or sins:

#1 Premarital sex....AKA Fornication? (Why does god care if we have sex before signing a piece of paper?)

#2 Coveting? Yes, I know that this one is part of the ten commandments, however....consider your wife/gf/lover/whatever, how did you fall in love with this person? How did this happen? Did you not covet? Did you not desire this person before she/he was yours?

#3 Drinking/smoking/other stimulant drugs? Depending on the denomination which you are in (This applies to christians) they may or may not allow it.....I find it curious how certain christians can say "yeah this is OK" while others say "no, it's not Ok".....but supposedly they are both the same?

#4 Masturbating? Most christians say this is not OK....but why? Let's say that I'm a 16 year old faithful christian, I have decided to wait until I get married to have sex, I don't watch porn (cuz, that's also immoral ), and I follow the bible. But I'm also an imperfect human and occasionally I get strong carnal desires.....what's wrong with doing something that is perfectly natural? Why is this immoral?

#5 Sex positions while being married? So, I guess Anal sex is out right? I mean, this would be the biggest hypocritical sex act considering the bible's views on homosexuality. Sorry Christians but if you want to be "righteous", you can't have anal sex with your wife!

So What about Oral Sex? God did not make our sexual organs to be used that way, right?

What about other positions? I don't want to get too graphic on here so I'll let your imagination fill in the blank.


I would really love to hear what you guys think.....because even when I was a christian I would have these thoughts and it was difficult to make sense of them.

[drtom2005]

Neither. Humans can not judge other humans on these 2 actions.

[Rowdy Gentleman]

I want any and every theist to answer whether or not the following are immoral or sins:

#1 Premarital sex....AKA Fornication? (Why does god care if we have sex before signing a piece of paper?)

It's not a sin in my eyes. The church stresses this because statistics show that people who have premarital sec are significantly more likely to divorce if the two get married, this could also lead to other things like abortifacients, contraception, or sterilization. At the end of the day the church is there to be a mother and guide you even though that's not always the case for this example it is.

#2 Coveting? Yes, I know that this one is part of the ten commandments, however....consider your wife/gf/lover/whatever, how did you fall in love with this person? How did this happen? Did you not covet? Did you not desire this person before she/he was yours?

Coveting is just an unhealthy relationship putting religion aside. You go before yours and her/his family to vow to be with and love them forever then you look at your neighbors beloved with lust? It just seems like a disaster waiting to happen


#3 Drinking/smoking/other stimulant drugs? Depending on the denomination which you are in (This applies to christians) they may or may not allow it.....I find it curious how certain christians can say "yeah this is OK" while others say "no, it's not Ok".....but supposedly they are both the same?
This whole idea to this is that your body is a temple and it should be respected. This goes back to the motherly church thing. It tries to look out for your future health and well-being. Drugs, depending on which of course, can lead to a lot more problems.



#4 Masturbating? Most christians say this is not OK....but why? Let's say that I'm a 16 year old faithful christian, I have decided to wait until I get married to have sex, I don't watch porn (cuz, that's also immoral ), and I follow the bible. But I'm also an imperfect human and occasionally I get strong carnal desires.....what's wrong with doing something that is perfectly natural? Why is this immoral?
There's nothing wrong. It seems to me you have this idea that Christians do everything right and if they slip up they're going to hell. This is a sin because its taking the gift of life God gifted to us and using it in a way that isn't pro-life. God forgives and this happens quite often.

#5 Sex positions while being married? So, I guess Anal sex is out right? I mean, this would be the biggest hypocritical sex act considering the bible's views on homosexuality. Sorry Christians but if you want to be "righteous", you can't have anal sex with your wife!

There's no black and white answer so ill give my thoughts on why I think it's a sin: it's not pro-creation.

So What about Oral Sex? God did not make our sexual organs to be used that way, right?
Same goes.

What about other positions? I don't want to get too graphic on here so I'll let your imagination fill in the blank.


I would really love to hear what you guys think.....because even when I was a christian I would have these thoughts and it was difficult to make sense of them.

I answered these as best as I could attempting to leave the Bible thumping to the Protestants.

[shrewsbury]

wickabee, against human nature= immoral against God = sin

rowdy, not sure you did disagree with me, perhaps you don't mind labeling and I do, (much like your Protestant comment)but besides that, neither of us like abortion.