03-14-2013, 12:35 PM #31
Give me a break. Let's see how much you're loving him when the Ravens don't sniff a Super Bowl again because so much money is being blown on an average quarterback.
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03-14-2013, 09:49 PM #32
03-15-2013, 08:21 AM #33
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03-15-2013, 12:21 PM #34
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03-17-2013, 06:12 PM #35
Even though this happened a little while back I'm still confused, especially seeing all the players they are losing this offseason. Did they panic? Does Flacco have some kind of incriminating evidence against the ownership? They overpaid him as we all know. Did they forget how bad he played towards the end of the season? So bad he got his offensive coordinator fired. Sure he played lights out in the playoffs but did the Ravens suddenly forget Boldin was making highlights with almost every catch? If the Ravens did panic or think they could somehow make another run at the Super Bowl as long as they had Flacco, did they think he did it all by himself? I know Boldin refused to take a paycut from 6 million to 4 million base salary but when you see an average quarterback get overpaid for playing average then really good in the playoffs, how could a above average wide receiver take a paycut that helped Flacco get his big payday? How could Flacco not say "Whoa whoa whoa, we gotta keep Boldin.... Hell... I'll pay him!" Could it be because Flacco is helping them sell tons of Flacco jerseys? Well considering there are 2 Raven jerseys that were in the top 25 selling jerseys in the NFL then maybe..... Wait!!! He isn't in the top 25 selling jerseys. That is Ray Lewis and Ray Rice. Oh well there goes that theory.
03-18-2013, 12:58 PM #36
Flacco really isn't that bad. He might not deserve to be the highest paid player in the league, but the Ravens can't just let a franchise QB walk away. And as much as everyone wants to point to the Ravens defense as the reason he won, let's keep in mind that his defense was ranked 17th in the league last season. Flacco deserves a lot of credit.
As much as people like to take a dump on Flacco, his numbers are pretty good. I'm sure many people on here would consider Eli Manning to be elite or at least 2nd tier. One could make a strong argument that Flacco's numbers at this point in his career have been more impressive than Eli's were. Hell, before Eli won the Super Bowl, he basically was Flacco in the sense that everyone put him down and said he was average-at-best. If I'm a Ravens fan, I'm feeling fine about Flacco and the team moving forward.
03-18-2013, 01:11 PM #37
03-18-2013, 11:03 PM #38
03-19-2013, 01:31 AM #39
You can argue all day that Torrey Smith (above average) and Boldin (aging, but still pretty good) are the sole reason for his success, but it is Flacco's job to get the ball to his weapons. If all you needed was a good receiver to make a bad QB look "average" then the Cardinals wouldn't have a revolving door at the QB position.
Edit: Another note, you said a franchise QB is someone that the team can build around. Is that not exactly what the Ravens did with Flacco? They went and got him Anquan Boldin, and they drafted him Torrey Smith. They drafted him a pair of TE's in Pitta and Dickson. They drafted him a running back in the 2nd round of the same draft in which they got him. He went to the playoffs every year and won the Super Bowl with this team they built around him.
03-19-2013, 08:31 AM #40
I wouldn't say that because Flacco and Eli's first 4 years are comparable that it means that after this year Flacco is suddenly going to become a 4500 yard 32 TD quarterback. That is a stretch. Different systems, different people, different coaches.
Also, Flacco is in his 5th year, not his 4th year, so if he is going to mirror Eli we should be seeing it by now. Instead of a big jump in numbers like Eli had in year 5 we are seeing a minimal jump or a decline by Flacco. His season yards jumped slightly by around 200 over the three previous seasons, his TDs jumped 2 over the previous season but were 3 less than his best, his completion percentage was the 4th lowest of his 5 year career...not the sudden increase in production that we saw in Eli in year 5.
I wouldn't argue that Smith or Boldin were the sole reason that Flacco was successful, because they didn't have great seasons. Boldin has had the worst 3 season stretch of his career while in Baltimore. Smith has yet to crack the 900 yard mark in yards or have more than 50 catches. All this points to is my original point that Flacco isn't a franchise QB, because if he was they would have better numbers. I repeat, franchise QBs make those around him better.