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    Quote Originally Posted by mrveggieman View Post
    So what should the alternative be? Just sit back and let his classmate, himself and others possibly be killed because he did nothing?
    So they should throw out protocol?
    Did he play a role before the gun was presented? Maybe talk the guy into bringing the gun then got scared at the last second?

    Assuming he's innocent because he did good in the end is naive. If anyone in this knod of situation is told to stay home for a few days, why is he different?
    Wouldn't most kids see it as a reward? A couple days off school to relax?
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    The article is too lacking in details. There's obviously more to it. And I have always been of the opinion that school suspensions are never looked at as punishment by the students receiving them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post
    The article is too lacking in details. There's obviously more to it. And I have always been of the opinion that school suspensions are never looked at as punishment by the students receiving them.
    you are correct. however, in any situation that a lawsuit could arise, being suspended is horrible and traumatic.
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    depends on the student, my brother missed only a total of a 1/2 a day of school, ever, he would have seen it as a punishment. my oldest daughter would have seen it as a punishment as well, we had to force her to stay home when she was sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ensbergcollector View Post
    you are correct. however, in any situation that a lawsuit could arise, being suspended is horrible and traumatic.
    I really and truly think you're overselling that to an erroneous degree. A suspension is not traumatic. The incident, sure. The suspension? Not a chance.

    Look at it this way, if he were an adult at a job, he'd probably be given a couple days off work to relax and process the whole thing. Why wouldn't you do that for a student as well? And, as mentioned by someone else, if he did go to school the next day, he probably wouldn't be able to concentrate at all and could potentially distract others from learning not just himself. Do you want to take learning away from those other kids too?

    I think the only thing wrong here is calling it a "suspension". If he did no wrong, I'm sure his record will reflect that and this "suspension" will not be seen as disciplinary.
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    I really and truly think you're overselling that to an erroneous degree. A suspension is not traumatic. The incident, sure. The suspension? Not a chance.

    Look at it this way, if he were an adult at a job, he'd probably be given a couple days off work to relax and process the whole thing. Why wouldn't you do that for a student as well? And, as mentioned by someone else, if he did go to school the next day, he probably wouldn't be able to concentrate at all and could potentially distract others from learning not just himself. Do you want to take learning away from those other kids too?

    I think the only thing wrong here is calling it a "suspension". If he did no wrong, I'm sure his record will reflect that and this "suspension" will not be seen as disciplinary.
    sorry, i think my sarcasm was missed. I chose the words that his parents are sure to use if they sue the school for his suspension. I was agreeing with a previous post that suspension for a kid is usually viewed as a day off.
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    My bad. I get you now.
    If his parents have any decency, they won't sue. That's just teaching that you only do things to get things.
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    depends on the student, my brother missed only a total of a 1/2 a day of school, ever, he would have seen it as a punishment. my oldest daughter would have seen it as a punishment as well, we had to force her to stay home when she was sick.
    True, but that is the problem. For any kid that views a suspension as punishment they probably didn't need it to correct the behaviour. For those that view it as a reward, it doesn't change the behaviour either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by habsheaven View Post
    True, but that is the problem. For any kid that views a suspension as punishment they probably didn't need it to correct the behaviour. For those that view it as a reward, it doesn't change the behaviour either.
    It basically the school's version of a prolonged time out. Removal from the situation and time to assess what happened.
    "He's gone crazy," "You have to snap out of it," "Take your meds," or, "Don't be such a downer" serve only to mock, belittle, and make light of mental illness. Such phrases only continue the negative stigma and keep those who suffer from getting help. If these phrases, or phrases like them, are part of your at-hand vocabulary, you are part of the problem. #STOPtheStigma

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