03-14-2013, 03:30 PM #31
03-14-2013, 03:37 PM #32
03-14-2013, 07:34 PM #33
Um, if these people said these things and these things are anti-Muslim, then the people that said them made anti-Muslim statements. Repeating them is not anti-Muslim.
Also, I don't know what type of scam that news agency is trying to pull, but those images are not from the San Francisco bus stations. If you look at the wall behind the pic of Osama bin Laden you see "Shaw-Howard University". Howard University is in Washington DC, not in San Fran. Yet another epic fail by an idiot liberal media group.
03-14-2013, 07:57 PM #34
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03-14-2013, 10:52 PM #37
If it SEEMS like I'm being hateful or spiteful towards ALL christians then I think that's part of my deep frustration with what I see happening in this country on a day to day basis.
It's just impossible for me to hate christians just becuase they believe something I don't.
What is in their minds is of NO consequence to me.
The problem is when they try to force those thoughts unto me by trying to pass laws that violate our constitution and our secular laws.
I've also put it out blatantly out there before.....
If at any point, in any thread, I directly offend anybody on here....please point it out to me and I will explain myself...
My objective has never been to offend anyone....but at the same time IF I attack your religion, that is NOT the same as offending you directly....It's just not.
Conversely, if theists attack my beliefs, that is also not a direct attack to me....unless the implication is direct.
For example.....Alex is an idiot for believing the things he believes, he is immoral, and is going to hell.
That would be a direct attack....something which I don't believe is productive in any discussion, and I don't do those type of attacks to no one on here."The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness..."
03-14-2013, 11:16 PM #38
so if they said; an atheist is an[QUOTE]idiot for believing the things he believes[QUOTE]
would that be a personal attack?
03-14-2013, 11:45 PM #39
[QUOTE=shrewsbury;12585552]so if they said; an atheist is an[QUOTE]idiot for believing the things he believes
would that be a personal attack?
For one thing an atheist doesn't believe in anything specific....he has a lack of belief in god...that's it.
But if you say, Ok then he's an idiot for not believing in god....then it's still a bad argument because the implication is based on a flawed reasoning.
BTW, it would also be a very bad argument if I said christians were idiots for believing in god....you can search all the posts I have ever made here, I have never said or implied that in any direct way.
What I DO say, is that the bible is highly flawed, and because of that so is the Christian religion.
^Here I can make a case for the bible being flawed.....I'm not insulting anyone directly, and if anyone that believes in the bible thinks I'm offending them, that is simply too bad, but I'm not attacking them, and I sure as hell not apologizing for them being offended about the criticisms I have towards a book. I do not consider it holy or anything special....it's a book.
Let me make a sports analogy, If I attacked the Lakers, their players, and their organization.....if Laker fans get offended....too bad.
My attack is not directed at them, it's directed at the team. It's not my fault they are easily offended.
Last edited by JustAlex; 03-14-2013 at 11:47 PM."The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness..."
03-15-2013, 12:15 AM #40
a Christian is someone who follows Christ, no where does Jesus say anything about the New Testament. So when you say Christian you are including all followers, and we have many different beliefs, just like Hinduism and Buddhism.
When we set that fact aside and are talking about the Bible (OT & NT) there are few if any that follow the teachings within. In fact there is a better chance of an Orthodox Jew following more of the OT than a Christian trying to follow the OT and NT, but there is a better chance neither will succeed.
The Bible is not flawed, it is our notion of what the Bible is that is flawed.