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04-17-2013, 11:09 PM #21
EDIT; I retract my post as it had no importance to add to this discussion.
Last edited by Zimbow; 04-17-2013 at 11:33 PM."There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution" - John Adams, March 4, 1797 March 4, 1801
04-18-2013, 07:34 AM #22
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04-18-2013, 09:52 AM #23
04-18-2013, 10:44 AM #24
What kills me is that liberals are so ticked off over a redundant, pointless bill. Allow me to educate o ye of little knowledge...
This bill had two main goals, background checks for on-line gun purchases and background checks for gun show purchases.
A) Background checks for on-line gun purchases - This is probably the most idiotic part of this bill. It required something that already is required. Anytime you buy a gun online it is not shipped directly to you. Instead it is shipped to a FFL dealer, who then performs all required checks and completes all transfer paperwork. This big accomplishment that Obama and the libs are so upset over, already exists. Way to go! You wasted all of this time, money and effort to pass a bill to get something that you already have. Idiots.
B) Background checks for gun show purchases - This is probably the one area that I would be more supportive of the bill. There are certainly transactions that occur at gun shows that go generally undocumented other than a bill of sale. However, that does not apply to FFL dealers. Any FFL dealer that sets up at a gun show is required to perform a background check and complete all paperwork, just like they would perform if they were in their business location. Again, redundancy. I am not sure how each state works, but here in WV you can not sell handguns at a gun show without an FFL. So the only thing a non-FFL dealer can sell is shotguns and rifles, and those can already be bought at regular gun shops without a background check.
So all this "important, pivotal" gun legislation was going to accomplish is force shotgun and rifle sales at gun shows to have a background check. I repeat...shotgun and rifle sales at gun stores do not require checks. This entire bill was only going to affect shotgun and rifle sales at gun shows.
Oh I forgot, it did one other thing. It supplied money for a "study" on gun violence. Yup, that is what we need in a time when the economy is struggling and the government is fiscally unstable, another government funded study that would fix nothing.
04-18-2013, 11:02 AM #25
04-18-2013, 11:41 AM #26
veggie, got link or bigger pic?
i have been trying to find this
04-18-2013, 11:52 AM #27
04-18-2013, 12:24 PM #28
04-18-2013, 06:17 PM #29
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution" - John Adams, March 4, 1797 March 4, 1801
04-18-2013, 10:03 PM #30
Want proof this poll is not reliable? It says that 94% of Republicans in the Southeast support a background check at gun shows and 92% of Democrats in the Southeast favor background checks at gun shows. Nowhere in America do Republicans support gun show background checks more than Democrats and I can promise you they don't in the South.