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  1. #21
    EDIT; I retract my post as it had no importance to add to this discussion.
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Wickabee View Post
    Who voted for the 45 or so?
    People voted for them.
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    alex, where did you get that polling results from? I checked checked the Ap website and their polling data, nothing matches to march 7-10, nothing.

    the only ones were jan 16 and april 17

    http://surveys.ap.org/
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    alex, where did you get that polling results from? I checked checked the Ap website and their polling data, nothing matches to march 7-10, nothing.

    the only ones were jan 16 and april 17

    http://surveys.ap.org/
    Wait. Let me see if I have this correct. Liberal media put out lies and deception (91%, yeah right! ROFL) and the liberal base bought it hook, line and sinker without bothering to fact check first??!!! NO!!!! Liberal media is so honest and liberals are not that gullible! Oh, wait, I got that backwards. Liberal media is nothing but lies, deception and twisting of facts and the liberal base always swallows it whole.

    What kills me is that liberals are so ticked off over a redundant, pointless bill. Allow me to educate o ye of little knowledge...

    This bill had two main goals, background checks for on-line gun purchases and background checks for gun show purchases.

    A) Background checks for on-line gun purchases - This is probably the most idiotic part of this bill. It required something that already is required. Anytime you buy a gun online it is not shipped directly to you. Instead it is shipped to a FFL dealer, who then performs all required checks and completes all transfer paperwork. This big accomplishment that Obama and the libs are so upset over, already exists. Way to go! You wasted all of this time, money and effort to pass a bill to get something that you already have. Idiots.

    B) Background checks for gun show purchases - This is probably the one area that I would be more supportive of the bill. There are certainly transactions that occur at gun shows that go generally undocumented other than a bill of sale. However, that does not apply to FFL dealers. Any FFL dealer that sets up at a gun show is required to perform a background check and complete all paperwork, just like they would perform if they were in their business location. Again, redundancy. I am not sure how each state works, but here in WV you can not sell handguns at a gun show without an FFL. So the only thing a non-FFL dealer can sell is shotguns and rifles, and those can already be bought at regular gun shops without a background check.

    So all this "important, pivotal" gun legislation was going to accomplish is force shotgun and rifle sales at gun shows to have a background check. I repeat...shotgun and rifle sales at gun stores do not require checks. This entire bill was only going to affect shotgun and rifle sales at gun shows.

    Oh I forgot, it did one other thing. It supplied money for a "study" on gun violence. Yup, that is what we need in a time when the economy is struggling and the government is fiscally unstable, another government funded study that would fix nothing.

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    Here's a breakdown of how the voting went:

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    veggie, got link or bigger pic?

    i have been trying to find this
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrewsbury View Post
    veggie, got link or bigger pic?

    i have been trying to find this
    I copied that one from facebook. If something better comes along I will be glad to post.
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    it was from the Huffington post Jay
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    Quote Originally Posted by duane1969 View Post
    Wait. Let me see if I have this correct. Liberal media put out lies and deception (91%, yeah right! ROFL) and the liberal base bought it hook, line and sinker without bothering to fact check first??!!! NO!!!! Liberal media is so honest and liberals are not that gullible! Oh, wait, I got that backwards. Liberal media is nothing but lies, deception and twisting of facts and the liberal base always swallows it whole.

    What kills me is that liberals are so ticked off over a redundant, pointless bill. Allow me to educate o ye of little knowledge...

    This bill had two main goals, background checks for on-line gun purchases and background checks for gun show purchases.

    A) Background checks for on-line gun purchases - This is probably the most idiotic part of this bill. It required something that already is required. Anytime you buy a gun online it is not shipped directly to you. Instead it is shipped to a FFL dealer, who then performs all required checks and completes all transfer paperwork. This big accomplishment that Obama and the libs are so upset over, already exists. Way to go! You wasted all of this time, money and effort to pass a bill to get something that you already have. Idiots.

    B) Background checks for gun show purchases - This is probably the one area that I would be more supportive of the bill. There are certainly transactions that occur at gun shows that go generally undocumented other than a bill of sale. However, that does not apply to FFL dealers. Any FFL dealer that sets up at a gun show is required to perform a background check and complete all paperwork, just like they would perform if they were in their business location. Again, redundancy. I am not sure how each state works, but here in WV you can not sell handguns at a gun show without an FFL. So the only thing a non-FFL dealer can sell is shotguns and rifles, and those can already be bought at regular gun shops without a background check.

    So all this "important, pivotal" gun legislation was going to accomplish is force shotgun and rifle sales at gun shows to have a background check. I repeat...shotgun and rifle sales at gun stores do not require checks. This entire bill was only going to affect shotgun and rifle sales at gun shows.

    Oh I forgot, it did one other thing. It supplied money for a "study" on gun violence. Yup, that is what we need in a time when the economy is struggling and the government is fiscally unstable, another government funded study that would fix nothing.
    I believe this was the poll that was used; http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes...ReleaseID=1842
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  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Zimbow View Post
    I believe this was the poll that was used; http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes...ReleaseID=1842
    Problem I have with a poll like that is it doesn't tell how many people were polled or reveal any polling data. For all I can tell they may have asked 300 people, but only used the people that answered the way they wanted the poll to look.

    Want proof this poll is not reliable? It says that 94% of Republicans in the Southeast support a background check at gun shows and 92% of Democrats in the Southeast favor background checks at gun shows. Nowhere in America do Republicans support gun show background checks more than Democrats and I can promise you they don't in the South.

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