05-07-2013, 02:19 PM #51
05-07-2013, 02:36 PM #52
perhaps the difference is I know I may be wrong, but will need proof to know for sure.
05-07-2013, 02:57 PM #53
05-07-2013, 05:25 PM #54
habs, I know where you are coming from, but I will have to respectfully say no.
there is so much we do not know about the mind, body, and genetics, that it is possible for some or even most them to be born gay, I just don't see the need for nature to make someone purely homosexual. I would go for bisexual, but homosexuality does not fulfill the basics needs for a species to survive.
I could be wrong, and I don't mind being told I am, but if someone (not you) says they have genetic proof, where is it?
05-07-2013, 06:02 PM #55
So I guess straight people who are infertile are abnormal, correct?
Because it doesn't matter who they are attracted to, even if they tried they CAN'T reproduce.
If you're talking about "basic function" of reproduction most gays (simply using statistics) DO have that, they just don't utilize it.....and nothing says that you should.
Now inevitably this will come down to someone saying that evolution says this and that. (And I see Shrew has already done that)
So let's address the evolution and gays.
First of all, I'm not a biology student, I'm not an expert on evolution, and therefore, whatever I say will be someone else's words, so instead of doing that, I will let the scientists speak on this matter:
Logic and Reason is all you need.
05-07-2013, 06:08 PM #56
And since bisexual CAN indeed go from one gender to another, then it's consistent that they might or do believe that they can "choose".
I believe that strictly gay or straight people can not choose.
Furthermore, I also believe in the "Spectrum of sexuality".
^In other words, One can be a "little gay" or "very gay" or a "little straight" and so on.
If you can choose one way or another, you are most likely at the middle of the spectrum.Logic and Reason is all you need.
05-07-2013, 06:18 PM #57
[QUOTE]You seem to think that if humans can't reproduce something is off about them.[QUOTE]
no, you are. I am saying it is a choice, which there is nothing wrong with.
you are saying they are genetically encoded to be homosexual, I am saying, this would not be possible unless it was a genetic "mishap", nature would not wire us to be purely homosexual, or our species wouldn't last past a generation or two.
05-07-2013, 06:54 PM #58
Some people are strictly gay or straight, some are bisexual, some are a little gay and so on.
You are fooling yourself if you think you can control who you are attracted to, because that's exactly what you're saying.
You're saying that strictly gay and straight people have chosen to be that way, when all the evidence points otherwise.
BTW, just so we are clear, evolution does NOT have an "end point".
IMO, many christians like to say that gays have chosen their sexual preference because they dare not believe that gays can possibly be born that way, this would mean that their god made them that way and since the bible is against homosexuality, there is a deep contradiction there.
They would have to conclude that either god is playing with these people, or that the bible is wrong about homosexuality.
Either way, it breaks down their system of control, their guidelines, it's like a robot trying to equate a paradox, it can't do it, it will self destruct.
Thankfully, I don't believe any gods exists, and if they do, they are certainly not the ones from religion because all religions contradict themselves one way or another.Logic and Reason is all you need.
05-07-2013, 07:01 PM #59
05-07-2013, 07:34 PM #60
I have never understood why so many people have convinced themselves that God cares about every single issue here on earth. Even when I was a devout Christian I understood that God loves us, but cares NOTHING about our lives here on earth. God doesn't care about Abortion, Gun Control, the US debt, Gay Marriage or weather your bills are paid on time. Those problems are all trivial to God. Life on earth is not fair, but God is just: That is what I was taught. For all those people who use religion to bashing on homosexuals are foolish. God says love all and that only GOD can judge us. People who use religion to discriminate are weak.
As far as being gay being a choice or not I really have no idea. Most lesbians I know are a lesbian for one reason, they hate men. I feel that all women have at least a mild physical attraction to one another since women are beautiful creatures. As shrew has said, weather its a choice or not it really shouldn't matter.“People just do the strangest things when they believe they are entitled...But they do even stranger things when they just plain believe.”