Far Right Christian Pastor in EPIC gay rant...

[shrewsbury]

Thanks for the post. I am unsure if people thinking it is a choice or not would make those that "hate" gays, hate them. I think some people will always lash out in fear at what they do not understand.
Whether you choose to or not, means little to me. I think you should be able to love and have a sexual relationship with any willing adult and who or why you chose to be with that person is none of my concern. I think even if their was genetic evidence that it is not a choice, that these hate filled monsters would still hate. I am pretty confident that those I know quite well, that some have no issue with it being a choice, they love the person, not the gender. But others do feel they have always had an attraction to the same sex.

I feel that anyone who hates gays is simply a hate monger who, I would bet, hates all sorts of groups.

I think the stereotyping is often done by those who just don't know that many gays nor cares to educate themselves about it. I can see some of the where the stereotyping of lesbians comes from, I know a few couples that would fall into that stereotype. But I also know a few heterosexual couples where the female "wears the pants" in the family. I know a few male couples who also would fall into the stereotype, but good people come in all forms.
I would also add I do not know any that run around with rainbow hats, dancing to a broadway tune, sipping appletinis, and flamboyant to the degree it is crazy. most are well educated, with good jobs, are great people, and can hold a good conversation.

Congrats on the marriage!

[ajcorleone]

Well we also must remember that when the "parents basement" term is used it is kind of stating how maybe some members do not grip the reality of certain subjects. Like some in their 40's and 50's have a little more life experience than those in theoir early 20's. SOmetimes these comments are made to make a point and it does not seem to offend most.

I don't think he's calling a few people disagreeing with a single persons opinion as being teamed up against. I assume he's talking about the childish posts where a few people post about another member. For example... living in a parent's basement, sitting behind a computer all day, eating cheetos and so on. Maybe people posting about a member that hasn't even posted in a specific thread. Not to speak for Andrew, but I'm guessing that is the stuff that he's speaking about when he's talking about being teamed up against.

[andrewhoya]

I don't think he's calling a few people disagreeing with a single persons opinion as being teamed up against. I assume he's talking about the childish posts where a few people post about another member. For example... living in a parent's basement, sitting behind a computer all day, eating cheetos and so on. Maybe people posting about a member that hasn't even posted in a specific thread. Not to speak for Andrew, but I'm guessing that is the stuff that he's speaking about when he's talking about being teamed up against.

You know, I couldn't really wrap together a good post describing it (I had many drafts that I ended up not posting), but you bring up some of the things I was talking about. I am all for discussion. There are going to be disagreements. But when it comes to the constant nagging and name calling and what not towards the same few people, from an outsider's view, why would anyone want to jump in?

[habsheaven]

Thanks for the post. I am unsure if people thinking it is a choice or not would make those that "hate" gays, hate them. I think some people will always lash out in fear at what they do not understand.
Whether you choose to or not, means little to me. I think you should be able to love and have a sexual relationship with any willing adult and who or why you chose to be with that person is none of my concern. I think even if their was genetic evidence that it is not a choice, that these hate filled monsters would still hate. I am pretty confident that those I know quite well, that some have no issue with it being a choice, they love the person, not the gender. But others do feel they have always had an attraction to the same sex.

I feel that anyone who hates gays is simply a hate monger who, I would bet, hates all sorts of groups.

I think the stereotyping is often done by those who just don't know that many gays nor cares to educate themselves about it. I can see some of the where the stereotyping of lesbians comes from, I know a few couples that would fall into that stereotype. But I also know a few heterosexual couples where the female "wears the pants" in the family. I know a few male couples who also would fall into the stereotype, but good people come in all forms.
I would also add I do not know any that run around with rainbow hats, dancing to a broadway tune, sipping appletinis, and flamboyant to the degree it is crazy. most are well educated, with good jobs, are great people, and can hold a good conversation.

Congrats on the marriage!

Why do you require genetic evidence? You have a gay person telling you directly that it isn't a choice.

[andrewhoya]

Why do you require genetic evidence? You have a gay person telling you directly that it isn't a choice.

Furthermore, I can't speak for others, but why would anyone in their right mind want to be subjected to ridicule, hatred, mocking, etc, and go against the status quo? I accept who I am and love myself, but that doesn't change the fact that I wish I was "normal", per se.

[beachbum]

Why do you require genetic evidence? You have a gay person telling you directly that it isn't a choice.

I told you God existed but you don't believe me. Why do you take some things on faith and all other things require scientific evidence, shouldn't everything require scientific evidence for you?

[gsj68]

Furthermore, I can't speak for others, but why would anyone in their right mind want to be subjected to ridicule, hatred, mocking, etc, and go against the status quo? I accept who I am and love myself, but that doesn't change the fact that I wish I was "normal", per se.

there is no normal,how "normal" is it to "discus"on a sports card site?

[beachbum]

Furthermore, I can't speak for others, but why would anyone in their right mind want to be subjected to ridicule, hatred, mocking, etc, and go against the status quo? I accept who I am and love myself, but that doesn't change the fact that I wish I was "normal", per se.

Andrew - Don't worry about normal, there is no such thing. My advice would be seek God in all you do and find contentment with your circumstances.

[habsheaven]

I told you God existed but you don't believe me. Why do you take some things on faith and all other things require scientific evidence, shouldn't everything require scientific evidence for you?

Your belief in a God and the story surrounding your God conflicts with everything we know in this world. A gay person's personal statement about their sexuality does not go against any logical thought. Therefore, I can accept what they are telling me. So no, everything does not require scientific evidence, only those things that fly in the face of science.

[Star_Cards]

Well we also must remember that when the "parents basement" term is used it is kind of stating how maybe some members do not grip the reality of certain subjects. Like some in their 40's and 50's have a little more life experience than those in theoir early 20's. SOmetimes these comments are made to make a point and it does not seem to offend most.

The main reason, in my opinion, that it's said is to demean. I get that it's used to say the person it's being said about has less experience but if someone wants to say that as a legitimate argument to a topic they would just say that. They wouldn't keep bringing it up to this specific person over and over in a snarky way.

Usually if someone says a person lives in their mom's basement it is supposed to be a smack on that person.