Christians...."Prepare for Martyrdom!"

[Star_Cards]

Incorrect. With the legalization of gay marriage, homosexuals will be the only group in America with legislation that defines their right to be married. There is no law giving such rights to straights, whites, blacks, Jews or any other demographic of people.

I'm not really following your post 100%. Are you saying that marriage isn't a right or isn't a law currently? Whatever it's called, a right or a law or whatever, straight people are legally allowed to marry and take part in all of the benefits that marriage provides in the eyes of the state. Same sex couples are not able to marry and have it recognized in every state and are still fighting in states where it's been legally acknowledged.

[duane1969]

I'm not really following your post 100%. Are you saying that marriage isn't a right or isn't a law currently? Whatever it's called, a right or a law or whatever, straight people are legally allowed to marry and take part in all of the benefits that marriage provides in the eyes of the state. Same sex couples are not able to marry and have it recognized in every state and are still fighting in states where it's been legally acknowledged.

I was merely pointing out that the common argument that "gays deserve the same rights as everyone else" is flawed since nobody actually has the "right" to marry. There is no law protecting the right of straight people to marry. The only law(s) that needs to be changed is the one(s) regarding how insurance companies and legal entities recognize lawful marriages. Gays have always had the ability to get married or have legal unions, they simply have not been recognized in certain legal proceedings.

[Star_Cards]

I was merely pointing out that the common argument that "gays deserve the same rights as everyone else" is flawed since nobody actually has the "right" to marry. There is no law protecting the right of straight people to marry. The only law(s) that needs to be changed is the one(s) regarding how insurance companies and legal entities recognize lawful marriages. Gays have always had the ability to get married or have legal unions, they simply have not been recognized in certain legal proceedings.

I thought that is what you were getting at. There are bans on same sex marriage in many states. Whether that is a law or not really has no bearing on the fact that these bans should not be in place.

Are you saying that in states where same sex marriage is banned, a same sex couple can still get married as a state recognized union?

[OriolesFan]

Let's, for now, put religion(of all types) on the back burner. With the way things are going, our "nation"/country will not exist much longer. It may exist in name only, but not what it was meant to be. Here are a few examples of why I say that ---

1)Roe v. Wade - a nation wide support/approval of ABORTION. So, because of that, it is okay to KILL a living being who has no way to defend himself/herself. Some people think since he/she hasn't been born that it isn't a person, yet he/she has a heart beat. Therfore, our nation in that case LEGALIZED murder for those who have no way of defending themselves. That's just plain wrong.

2)"gay" marriages - If man was to mate with man, and woman with woman, how long would humanity exist? NOT LONG. How many children/kids can be born of man/man & womam/woman? ZERO. So, why legalize something that just doesn't make sense. If people individually choose personally do that, and do not want anyone to continue their family, that's one thing. But to make it legal and force the rest of our culture to "legalize" such a thing just isn't right.

3)taking care of illegal immigrants - Our government is doing little to nothing concerning illegal immigrants. In fact, instead of doing thing to get rid of them, they're getting PAID to stay here. Why should we provide more for illegal immigrants than we do for our own who are in need?

4)our governmental leaders - a good % are more concerned about themselves than they are about the people of the United States. It's a shame that the average everyday American can't afford to run and hold offices in our government. If that could happen, this nation would definitely be better. The middle class, basically, is the main BACKBONE of the financial support of the U.S.A.. However, % wise, the wealthy & poor benefit more and the middle class less. Some of our "officials" take personal and/or unnecessary trips, and WE pay for it/them? Why? Some of our leaders are leaning towards, or approving, making us do things that we use to have the authority to do or not do our self. That's socialism/communism! Wasn't this nation established on DEMOCRACY?

5)religion(in general) - Why are we allowing some religions to have rights, while others don't? The religion(s) that were in effect when this nation was started are now under attack, while others are being allowed to do whatever they want. Wasn't/isn't this a nation of FREEDOM of Religion ? But it wasn't founded on any religions to HURT, in any way, people of other religions. Now, it seems, that some of our people think it's okay to support murder,violence,insults,etc towards other religions. What is wrong with our country ?

There are probably many other things that can be mentioned about our country. However, I don't have the time to thing about them, or type them in. To make a long story short, our NATION,unfortunately, is on a downward slide. If we continue to do what we're doing and supporting, the downward slide will get so bad that we'll end up with nothing more than just our name (if that is to still exist). Look at history, it has happened to other "powerful" cultures/dynasties/nations/etc. If we don't get back to what we were "founded" on, and make corrections, instead of continuing on this "slide", the future generations will be few to none in was is now the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

Thanks for reading. Have a good day.

[habsheaven]

Let's, for now, put religion(of all types) on the back burner. With the way things are going, our "nation"/country will not exist much longer. It may exist in name only, but not what it was meant to be. Here are a few examples of why I say that ---

1)Roe v. Wade - a nation wide support/approval of ABORTION. So, because of that, it is okay to KILL a living being who has no way to defend himself/herself. Some people think since he/she hasn't been born that it isn't a person, yet he/she has a heart beat. Therfore, our nation in that case LEGALIZED murder for those who have no way of defending themselves. That's just plain wrong.

It's been 45 years, when do you anticipate the collapse of the nation over this? Besides, you already legalize murder in other ways.

2)"gay" marriages - If man was to mate with man, and woman with woman, how long would humanity exist? NOT LONG. How many children/kids can be born of man/man & womam/woman? ZERO. So, why legalize something that just doesn't make sense. If people individually choose personally do that, and do not want anyone to continue their family, that's one thing. But to make it legal and force the rest of our culture to "legalize" such a thing just isn't right.

Are you suggesting everyone will sudden turn gay when we allow it for those that want it? If not, it's a moot point. Forcing YOUR culture isn't right? Why is it right for YOU to force MY culture to be intolerant and punitive against two individuals that LOVE each other?

3)taking care of illegal immigrants - Our government is doing little to nothing concerning illegal immigrants. In fact, instead of doing thing to get rid of them, they're getting PAID to stay here. Why should we provide more for illegal immigrants than we do for our own who are in need?

Factually inaccurate so no need to respond.

4)our governmental leaders - a good % are more concerned about themselves than they are about the people of the United States. It's a shame that the average everyday American can't afford to run and hold offices in our government. If that could happen, this nation would definitely be better. The middle class, basically, is the main BACKBONE of the financial support of the U.S.A.. However, % wise, the wealthy & poor benefit more and the middle class less. Some of our "officials" take personal and/or unnecessary trips, and WE pay for it/them? Why? Some of our leaders are leaning towards, or approving, making us do things that we use to have the authority to do or not do our self. That's socialism/communism! Wasn't this nation established on DEMOCRACY?

Your politicians and political system hasn't changed. It's the same today as it was 50 years ago. When is that collapse occurring again?

5)religion(in general) - Why are we allowing some religions to have rights, while others don't? The religion(s) that were in effect when this nation was started are now under attack, while others are being allowed to do whatever they want. Wasn't/isn't this a nation of FREEDOM of Religion ? But it wasn't founded on any religions to HURT, in any way, people of other religions. Now, it seems, that some of our people think it's okay to support murder,violence,insults,etc towards other religions. What is wrong with our country ?

Which RIGHTS are you speaking of? How are your religions under attack? WHO thinks it is okay to support murder, violence, insults, etc towards WHAT religions?

There are probably many other things that can be mentioned about our country. However, I don't have the time to thing about them, or type them in. To make a long story short, our NATION,unfortunately, is on a downward slide. If we continue to do what we're doing and supporting, the downward slide will get so bad that we'll end up with nothing more than just our name (if that is to still exist). Look at history, it has happened to other "powerful" cultures/dynasties/nations/etc. If we don't get back to what we were "founded" on, and make corrections, instead of continuing on this "slide", the future generations will be few to none in was is now the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

Thanks for reading. Have a good day.

I will be so glad when you guys can get rid of that BLACK President so we do not have to hear all this "sky is falling" rhetoric.

[JustAlex]

Let's, for now, put religion(of all types) on the back burner. With the way things are going, our "nation"/country will not exist much longer. It may exist in name only, but not what it was meant to be. Here are a few examples of why I say that ---

1)Roe v. Wade - a nation wide support/approval of ABORTION. So, because of that, it is okay to KILL a living being who has no way to defend himself/herself. Some people think since he/she hasn't been born that it isn't a person, yet he/she has a heart beat. Therfore, our nation in that case LEGALIZED murder for those who have no way of defending themselves. That's just plain wrong.

Abortion is not pretty, but the reason why it's legal is due to the fact that a person's right towards her own body override that of an unviable fetus.

You can hate this all you want, but it is not your decision to make, and we sure as hell should not force women into doing something they don't have to do.

2)"gay" marriages - If man was to mate with man, and woman with woman, how long would humanity exist? NOT LONG. How many children/kids can be born of man/man & womam/woman? ZERO. So, why legalize something that just doesn't make sense. If people individually choose personally do that, and do not want anyone to continue their family, that's one thing. But to make it legal and force the rest of our culture to "legalize" such a thing just isn't right.

Are you even reading what you're typing?

Regardless of whether or not gays can get married, there would still be gay people....why deny them the chance to form a union?

What you're saying is a non-sequitor.

3)taking care of illegal immigrants - Our government is doing little to nothing concerning illegal immigrants. In fact, instead of doing thing to get rid of them, they're getting PAID to stay here. Why should we provide more for illegal immigrants than we do for our own who are in need?

So, you don't care if families get broken up, or if American born children are deported with their parents to a foreign country, because punishing the child for the mistakes of the parents is the right thing to do?

The immigration issue is not as simple as you think it is.


4)our governmental leaders - a good % are more concerned about themselves than they are about the people of the United States. It's a shame that the average everyday American can't afford to run and hold offices in our government. If that could happen, this nation would definitely be better. The middle class, basically, is the main BACKBONE of the financial support of the U.S.A.. However, % wise, the wealthy & poor benefit more and the middle class less. Some of our "officials" take personal and/or unnecessary trips, and WE pay for it/them? Why? Some of our leaders are leaning towards, or approving, making us do things that we use to have the authority to do or not do our self. That's socialism/communism! Wasn't this nation established on DEMOCRACY?

5)religion(in general) - Why are we allowing some religions to have rights, while others don't? The religion(s) that were in effect when this nation was started are now under attack, while others are being allowed to do whatever they want. Wasn't/isn't this a nation of FREEDOM of Religion ? But it wasn't founded on any religions to HURT, in any way, people of other religions. Now, it seems, that some of our people think it's okay to support murder,violence,insults,etc towards other religions. What is wrong with our country ?

Oh, so now all of a sudden, Christians are the minorities under attack, huh?

Yes, all the politicians are atheist and our money says "In God we DON'T trust", and Christians are literally being persecuted and thrown in jail or worse....

Seriously, where the hell do you think you live? America is by far the most Christian first world country on this planet!

There are probably many other things that can be mentioned about our country. However, I don't have the time to thing about them, or type them in. To make a long story short, our NATION,unfortunately, is on a downward slide. If we continue to do what we're doing and supporting, the downward slide will get so bad that we'll end up with nothing more than just our name (if that is to still exist). Look at history, it has happened to other "powerful" cultures/dynasties/nations/etc. If we don't get back to what we were "founded" on, and make corrections, instead of continuing on this "slide", the future generations will be few to none in was is now the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

Thanks for reading. Have a good day.

Answers in bold.

[duane1969]

I thought that is what you were getting at. There are bans on same sex marriage in many states. Whether that is a law or not really has no bearing on the fact that these bans should not be in place.

Are you saying that in states where same sex marriage is banned, a same sex couple can still get married as a state recognized union?

In states where same sex marriage is banned what it actually is is a refusal by the state government to recognize the marriage as legal and binding. Georgia for example, is called a state where same sex marriage is "banned", but in fact there is no law banning it, just a lack of recognition of same sex marriage by the government. Kentucky is the same, they simply refuse to recognize same sex marriages for the purpose of property ownership, child custody, insurance claims, etc., although they do recognize same sex marriages that happened in other states. I understand the use of the word "banned", but there isn't an actual law creating a true ban like there is a law banning adults marrying children. What gays are fighting for is recognition of their legal unions.

[JustAlex]

In states where same sex marriage is banned what it actually is is a refusal by the state government to recognize the marriage as legal and binding. Georgia for example, is called a state where same sex marriage is "banned", but in fact there is no law banning it, just a lack of recognition of same sex marriage by the government. Kentucky is the same, they simply refuse to recognize same sex marriages for the purpose of property ownership, child custody, insurance claims, etc., although they do recognize same sex marriages that happened in other states. I understand the use of the word "banned", but there isn't an actual law creating a true ban like there is a law banning adults marrying children. What gays are fighting for is recognition of their legal unions.

You really should work for the GOP, you're a great apologist.

[shrewsbury]

#2 is just wrong, marriage and procreation have nothing to do with each other. all people who are married do not have children, and all people who have children are not married.

[Star_Cards]

In states where same sex marriage is banned what it actually is is a refusal by the state government to recognize the marriage as legal and binding. Georgia for example, is called a state where same sex marriage is "banned", but in fact there is no law banning it, just a lack of recognition of same sex marriage by the government. Kentucky is the same, they simply refuse to recognize same sex marriages for the purpose of property ownership, child custody, insurance claims, etc., although they do recognize same sex marriages that happened in other states. I understand the use of the word "banned", but there isn't an actual law creating a true ban like there is a law banning adults marrying children. What gays are fighting for is recognition of their legal unions.

That's exactly what they are fighting for. They typically could care less if a church will marry them. It's all about the legal benefits that married couples have that are kept from same sex couples.