Muslims Fleeing Violence Throw Christians Overboard Killing Them

[beachbum]

The Old Testament taught me that. Last time i checked it's still part of the bible.

The whole Bible is not Christianity, Christianity starts with Christ. If you want to complain about bad things happening in the Bible, I would suggest you learn about dispensationalism and how it applies to the covenants between man and God in those periods.

[habsheaven]

Probably a translation thing. You have the story going from the people in Libya to the Italians then from the Italians to English speaking people. You are bound to have something odd translated. From this it doesn't sound as odd.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...terranean.html

Yeah, I think they could have used better phrasing than "opposed". Sounds like "fought off" or "prevented" would have worked better. I probably should have read it better. The context indicates it was more than verbal opposition that they used.

[mrveggieman]

The whole Bible is not Christianity, Christianity starts with Christ.

Fair enough. That being said Christians should then have no problems whatsoever with homosexuality since it was never discussed by Jesus. It was only mentioned in the OT which you just admitted is not a part of Christianity and by Paul a guy who never saw Jesus alive and his writings are based on hersay.

[Star_Cards]

Fair enough. That being said Christians should then have no problems whatsoever with homosexuality since it was never discussed by Jesus. It was only mentioned in the OT which you just admitted is not a part of Christianity and by Paul a guy who never saw Jesus alive and his writings are based on hersay.

Interesting discussion between you two. I don't have a vast knowledge of the bible but if what you both say are true then veggie makes a valid point.

[duane1969]

Fair enough. That being said Christians should then have no problems whatsoever with homosexuality since it was never discussed by Jesus. It was only mentioned in the OT which you just admitted is not a part of Christianity and by Paul a guy who never saw Jesus alive and his writings are based on hersay.

I am sorry. Where did the idea that Paul never saw Jesus come from? In 1 Corinthians 5:18 he says that Jesus appeared to him. In Romans he claims he was "set apart for the Gospel of God" claiming God/Jesus spoke to him and gave him the words to write down, which is the way pretty much every verse of every religious book ever written was supposedly conveyed to the author.

With that aside, since when did "only from the mouth of Jesus" become the requirement for something to be part of Christianity? Whether he met Jesus or not doesn't detract from the teachings of the Bible.

[habsheaven]

I am sorry. Where did the idea that Paul never saw Jesus come from? In 1 Corinthians 5:18 he says that Jesus appeared to him. In Romans he claims he was "set apart for the Gospel of God" claiming God/Jesus spoke to him and gave him the words to write down, which is the way pretty much every verse of every religious book ever written was supposedly conveyed to the author.

With that aside, since when did "only from the mouth of Jesus" become the requirement for something to be part of Christianity? Whether he met Jesus or not doesn't detract from the teachings of the Bible.

Veggie clearly stated "Paul never saw Jesus alive". And since he wasn't born until after Jesus died, I think he has a good reason to make that assertion. Not to mention, that seeing someone in your dreams does not count as seeing someone. Keep the hocus pocus out of the conversation.

[beachbum]

Fair enough. That being said Christians should then have no problems whatsoever with homosexuality since it was never discussed by Jesus. It was only mentioned in the OT which you just admitted is not a part of Christianity and by Paul a guy who never saw Jesus alive and his writings are based on hersay.

The only point in telling you that Christianity starts with Christ is to differentiate it from Judaism in the OT, there is a difference but the God of Abraham is the Father of Christ so it is the same God, different rules, different consequences....did you look up dispensationalism, that will explain a lot to anyone that doesn't know the difference between all the covenants of God. Jesus refers to the OT a lot, its not to say that there are not similarities to Judaism and Christianity because there are many but the laws of work in the OT are abolished with the laws of love that Jesus preaches in the NT.

[duane1969]

Veggie clearly stated "Paul never saw Jesus alive". And since he wasn't born until after Jesus died, I think he has a good reason to make that assertion. Not to mention, that seeing someone in your dreams does not count as seeing someone. Keep the hocus pocus out of the conversation.

So we just write off all books written based on "dreams" or that were not directly translated from the divine person that the religion is based on?

[habsheaven]

So we just write off all books written based on "dreams" or that were not directly translated from the divine person that the religion is based on?

Yes, that is what a reasonable person would do. Or at the very least, we do not call out people who make accurate statements.

[mrveggieman]

So we just write off all books written based on "dreams" or that were not directly translated from the divine person that the religion is based on?

If you want to accept books based on dreams and visions feel free but if you do you have to accept the Koran because that was also based off a vision. If not you are picking and choosing the scripture that you like in order to suit your needs.