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04-23-2015, 02:44 PM #11
All of the info (voting record and liberal senator ranking) came from an independent site that documents voting records. I will have to try and find it again. My computer crashed and I lost all of my history.
Does her being ranked as the 16th most liberal senator support that she is "uber-liberal", perhaps not. I was using her voting record to claim that. Voting for partial birth abortions, supporting minors getting abortions out-of-state without the parents knowledge, protecting people burning the flag, advocating for a national gun registry...these are all things that the more liberal of Democrats support, thus uber-liberal.
The "16th most liberal senator" part was moreso to dispute any claim that she is moderate or centrist. I should have been more clear what my point was.
I am skeptical of head-to-head polls at this point as well, especially since I think the Clinton vs. Rubio thing was based on a CNN poll that included all adults, not just registered voters. The poll regarding GOP candidates is a little more telling tho because six weeks ago when nobody had declared they were running he was coming in somewhere between 6th and 8th behind Bush, Walker, Paul, Cruz, Carson and Christie. Now with Paul and Cruz declared he has passed them as well as Bush who was leading all GOP polls before. Paul and Cruz have gained nothing since declaring, Rubio has leapfrogged everyone since he declared.Last edited by duane1969; 04-23-2015 at 02:47 PM.
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04-23-2015, 03:21 PM #12
I have certainly never thought of Hilary as a moderate - but that has just been based on my own observations.
Please post if you find the information on the Senate (or any) rankings, I am very curious to see how they all shake out.
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04-23-2015, 09:05 PM #13
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04-24-2015, 07:53 AM #14
This is it http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/hillary_clinton.htm
Somewhere in that mess is where I found the link to the liberal Senate ranking thing.
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04-24-2015, 09:10 AM #15
What is wrong with somebody wanting to burn their flag? That is their right. I'm not backing her up on the others, though...I'm against all abortion.
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04-24-2015, 09:28 AM #16
For me personally, I see it as an affront to those who have fought to protect what the flag stands for and the rights that we are afforded by the government and society that it represents. Burning it doesn't offend the politicians or government because most of them do not care, it offends the military personnel that wore it on their shoulder into battle to fight for the ideals of a free society and democracy.
I see foreigners burning it all the time and I know what their intent is when they do it. When I see an American doing it I associate them and their reasons with those foreigners who do it because they hate our country and our society.
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04-24-2015, 09:33 AM #17
Isn't being allowed to burn that flag one of those rights (freedom of expression)? A right they fought for and you want government to legislate it away? Makes little sense to me.
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04-24-2015, 11:26 AM #18
I agree 100% with that statement but it is their right.
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04-24-2015, 11:43 AM #19
Doing anything and everything you want is not protected by freedom of expression. The reason we call this a civilized society is because we have deemed certain things outside of the scope of how people are expected to act.
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04-24-2015, 12:15 PM #20
Of course, not everything is protected but most limit that protection based on harm to another individual, not feelings being hurt. Maybe it's just me, but if the WBC is free to picket a soldier's funeral (at a distance), a protestor should be able to burn a flag.
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