Rubio In The Lead

[duane1969]

Of course, not everything is protected but most limit that protection based on harm to another individual, not feelings being hurt. Maybe it's just me, but if the WBC is free to picket a soldier's funeral (at a distance), a protestor should be able to burn a flag.

Not to switch subjects, but isn't the whole "gay wedding cake" thing about hurt feelings? Nothing derogatory was said to them, they were simply told "Sorry we don't bake wedding cakes for gays" and it became a major issue. Feelings matter.

And I would 100% support a ban on protest at anyone's funeral, so I don't feel the WBC is free to do that either.

[timber09]

Not to switch subjects, but isn't the whole "gay wedding cake" thing about hurt feelings? Nothing derogatory was said to them, they were simply told "Sorry we don't bake wedding cakes for gays" and it became a major issue. Feelings matter.

And I would 100% support a ban on protest at anyone's funeral, so I don't feel the WBC is free to do that either.

Refusing service to a group of people is discriminatory - burning a flag (or any other symbolic endeavor) is a right granted to every American by the First Amendment. Burning a flag, as long as the fire itself isn't considered to be a hazard to others, does not infringe on the rights granted to any other citizen. The First Amendment protects everyone's right to express their views, especially those that are in the minority. I would personally classify this the exact same as someone burning a bible, Koran or other religious book as an expression of their views.

It is personally offensive to me for those that choose to do this, but it is more offensive to me to have the government censoring what I can and cannot do to express my views. Where does this end? Are boxer shorts with the American flag offensive, if a rock god has a flag on his guitar is it offensive, what if he sets that on fire or smashes it at the end of a show? I would personally vote to keep the government out of putting limitations on taste or tact in this country.

[habsheaven]

Not to switch subjects, but isn't the whole "gay wedding cake" thing about hurt feelings? Nothing derogatory was said to them, they were simply told "Sorry we don't bake wedding cakes for gays" and it became a major issue. Feelings matter.

And I would 100% support a ban on protest at anyone's funeral, so I don't feel the WBC is free to do that either.

No, it's not JUST hurt feelings. It's a DENIAL of a service.

[sanfran22]

Come on people. Again, it's not a denial of service. It's a denial of a particular job. No one is refusing to serve someone. They are refusing the particular job. If the gay couple came in to get a cake for a job celebration, would they turn that down? It shouldn't be a freaking free for all of what someone has to do in their business. If the business owner doesn't feel comfortable doing THAT JOB, who has the right to walk in a business and demand them to do it? Stop all the freaking whining....

[habsheaven]

Come on people. Again, it's not a denial of service. It's a denial of a particular job. No one is refusing to serve someone. They are refusing the particular job. If the gay couple came in to get a cake for a job celebration, would they turn that down? It shouldn't be a freaking free for all of what someone has to do in their business. If the business owner doesn't feel comfortable doing THAT JOB, who has the right to walk in a business and demand them to do it? Stop all the freaking whining....

The service they want is for the baker to make a WEDDING CAKE. If they won't that is denying them THAT service. THAT service is the only reason they came into the shop. It's not a free for all, you make a wedding cake for one couple, you have to make it for the other. No one is asking them to do something that their business doesn't regularly do.

The whining is coming from the religious. The ones that falsely claim their "objection" to this ONE and ONLY sin, while ignoring all the other sins.

It's called homophobia. It has nothing to do with a "religious belief".

[sanfran22]

Denying them that service is not the same as denying them over all. Yes, they are asking them to do something they do not normally do. If they refuse to make a gay wedding cake consistently, they don't do it. A gay wedding cake is not the same as a straight wedding cake is not the same as an incestual wedding cake is not the same as ect ect. You can not force someone to make anything you want. Its not your business. Businesses should be able to offer what ever they want to sell, not whatever you want them to sell. Big difference.
Not sure they are only objecting to this one and only sin. It's the one the media and the idiot leftists choose to focus on. If someone came in and wanted a white power cake and were refused, would that make the news?
Not going down this road again, but you are completely wrong.

[habsheaven]

Denying them that service is not the same as denying them over all. Yes, they are asking them to do something they do not normally do. If they refuse to make a gay wedding cake consistently, they don't do it. A gay wedding cake is not the same as a straight wedding cake is not the same as an incestual wedding cake is not the same as ect ect. You can not force someone to make anything you want. Its not your business. Businesses should be able to offer what ever they want to sell, not whatever you want them to sell. Big difference.
Not sure they are only objecting to this one and only sin. It's the one the media and the idiot leftists choose to focus on. If someone came in and wanted a white power cake and were refused, would that make the news?
Not going down this road again, but you are completely wrong.

Yes it is (2 both bolded sections). Their only reason for entering your shop is for that service. A service you perform for other couples. Do you ask every couple about their sexual status? You have to assume based on the stats, that you are frequently making cakes for couples committing adultery and you aren't blinking an eye.

You are a HOMOPHOBE, and I am completely RIGHT in saying that.

[andrewhoya]

The service they want is for the baker to make a WEDDING CAKE. If they won't that is denying them THAT service. THAT service is the only reason they came into the shop. It's not a free for all, you make a wedding cake for one couple, you have to make it for the other. No one is asking them to do something that their business doesn't regularly do.

The whining is coming from the religious. The ones that falsely claim their "objection" to this ONE and ONLY sin, while ignoring all the other sins.

It's called homophobia. It has nothing to do with a "religious belief".

Hey now....I'm very religious yet not straight. Great points throughout the thread.

[sanfran22]

Yes it is (2 both bolded sections). Their only reason for entering your shop is for that service. A service you perform for other couples. Do you ask every couple about their sexual status? You have to assume based on the stats, that you are frequently making cakes for couples committing adultery and you aren't blinking an eye.

You are a HOMOPHOBE, and I am completely RIGHT in saying that.

The only thing you are is ignorant. So a cake shop only sells wedding cakes? How can you hold someone accountable if they dont know? Do me a favor. Go to a cake shop and ask them to make you a cake with a giant penis on it. Should they have to do that? A business should be alowed to decline a job if they do not want to do it. I dont care what it is for. You cant force them to do something they object to. That is not the same as descrimination. Get it through you freaking head....Again, you know nothing but carry on with your gestappo business practices.

[habsheaven]

The only thing you are is ignorant. So a cake shop only sells wedding cakes? How can you hold someone accountable if they dont know? Do me a favor. Go to a cake shop and ask them to make you a cake with a giant penis on it. Should they have to do that? A business should be alowed to decline a job if they do not want to do it. I dont care what it is for. You cant force them to do something they object to. That is not the same as descrimination. Get it through you freaking head....Again, you know nothing but carry on with your gestappo business practices.

Who said they only sell wedding cakes? I said, the couple only entered the bakery because they wanted a wedding cake. So, if you deny that service, you are in essence denying them service. And you are denying it for one reason only; they are gay. Offering them a graduation cake really doesn't cut it. Gestapo? Is that a new word for anti-discrimination? Who does the law back on this issue? Getting back on topic. You think Rubio is going to win a general election voicing YOUR opinion. Tell me again, who is ignorant?