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pwaldo
05-14-2014, 10:58 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627548/DOJ-wont-investigate-deaths-veterans-placed-VA-hospitals-secret-waiting-list-time.html


The Department of Justice does not intend to investigate the deaths of 40 veterans who were placed on a secret waiting lists at a Veterans Affairs hospital in Arizona any time soon.

Attorney General Eric Holder said the issue was on DOJ's 'radar,' but it would not intervene 'at this time.'

'Well, obviously these reports if they're true are unacceptable, and the allegations are being taken very seriously by the administration,' Holder told reporters on Tuesday.

'But I don't have any announcements at this time with regard to anything that the Justice Department is doing,' he said.

At the center of the scandal is the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care System, which CNN reports is partly responsible for the deaths of 40 veterans who were placed on the hospital's secret waiting lists.

VA hospitals are required to see patients within two weeks to a month of their request for an appointment. Between 1,400 to 1,600 veterans were not logged into the VA's official system in a surreptitious plot to hide the hospital's months long wait times, recently retired Pheonix VA doctor Sam Foote told CNN earlier this month.

'They enter information into the computer and do a screen capture hard copy printout. They then do not save what was put into the computer so there's no record that you were ever here,' Foote said.

Employees of the hospital then put the information into a secret electronic waiting list, and shred the printout, he explained, 'And they wouldn't take you off that secret list until you had an appointment time that was less than 14 days so it would give the appearance that they were improving greatly the waiting times, when in fact they were not.'

Some veterans waited up to 21 months for appointments, Foote told CNN. And if veterans on the secret list die while waiting for care, VA staff at the hospital remove them from the list so that officials in Washington, D.C. are none the wiser.

At least 40 veterans on the secret list died before they received an appointment, and 'the number's actually higher,' the physician said.

'I would say that 40, there's more than that that I know of, but 40's probably a good number.'

CNN's recent report follows one it made in January that 19 veterans died while waiting for simple medical procedures in 2010 and 2011.

'The fact that we've had veterans who have died in the very facilities that are supposed to be taking care of them, and not by natural means, by means that could have been prevented is egregious,' House Veterans Affairs Committee chairman Jeff Miller said then. 'And it's not acceptable.'

A week after CNN reported that 40 veterans had died while waiting on a secret lists in Phoenix, CBS reported similar activity at the VA Medical Center in Cheyenne, Wyoming.

An email obtained by CBS shows Telehealth Coordinator David Newman advising employees to put in the first available appointment date as the requested appointment date to make it look like patients are being seen within 14 days of their request.

'Yes it is gaming the system a bit,' he admits in the email, but ''when we exceed the 14 day measure, the front office gets very upset, which doesn't help us.'

37jetson
05-14-2014, 11:07 PM
It is sad how this country continues to fail it's veterans.

ajcorleone
05-15-2014, 07:37 AM
So true
It is sad how this country continues to fail it's veterans.

mrveggieman
05-15-2014, 08:17 AM
It is sad how this country continues to fail it's veterans.

Agreed

duane1969
05-15-2014, 09:20 AM
Of course they won't investigate. It is election time.

pwaldo
05-15-2014, 09:56 PM
Of course they won't investigate. It is election time.

They wouldn't investigate even if it wasn't an election year. The government doesn't care about veterans especially this administration.

mrveggieman
05-16-2014, 09:56 AM
They wouldn't investigate even if it wasn't an election year. The government doesn't care about veterans especially this administration.

Has there ever been an administration that cared for vets?

duane1969
05-16-2014, 11:15 AM
Has there ever been an administration that cared for vets?

Yes. All of the ones before the current one.

mrveggieman
05-16-2014, 11:29 AM
Yes. All of the ones before the current one.

Please tell me more about how much the guy who was in office before Obama cared about vets by sending them into two futile wars then cutting services for them when they came back home.

Wickabee
05-16-2014, 11:46 AM
Yes. All of the ones before the current one.

Your politics are showing.

mrveggieman
05-16-2014, 12:08 PM
Your politics are showing.

This. ^^^^^

Wickabee
05-16-2014, 12:43 PM
Don't you get too cocky.

duane1969
05-16-2014, 04:16 PM
Please tell me more about how much the guy who was in office before Obama cared about vets by sending them into two futile wars then cutting services for them when they came back home.

I could tell you a lot, but since you seem to be under the impression that a bunch of retirees were sent to war by Bush, my words would be wasted.


Your politics are showing.

LOL

I am thinking about two specific situations. 1) Obama using the government shutdown as an excuse to block veterans from visiting war memorials (the only time a government shutdown has resulted in that) and 2) Obama's budget deal including $6 billion in cuts to veteran benefits.

habsheaven
05-16-2014, 04:31 PM
I'm curious; how long was the backlog when Obama took office in 2009? Seems to me it was quite large. What does that say for the administration at the time?

Wickabee
05-16-2014, 06:21 PM
I could tell you a lot, but since you seem to be under the impression that a bunch of retirees were sent to war by Bush, my words would be wasted.



LOL

I am thinking about two specific situations. 1) Obama using the government shutdown as an excuse to block veterans from visiting war memorials (the only time a government shutdown has resulted in that) and 2) Obama's budget deal including $6 billion in cuts to veteran benefits.

I'm thinking of a guy who is getting more pro republican with each day we get closer to the next election.

duane1969
05-16-2014, 10:21 PM
I'm curious; how long was the backlog when Obama took office in 2009? Seems to me it was quite large. What does that say for the administration at the time?

I am going to assume you didn't bother to read the article, which says the backlog for some veterans was up to 21 months. Do you need me to do the math on that for ya or can you handle that one on your own?


I'm thinking of a guy who is getting more pro republican with each day we get closer to the next election.

I can live with that. Considering the Dem options it is highly unlikely that I will become more pro-Dem by election time.

pwaldo
05-21-2014, 09:52 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2633103/White-House-says-Obama-learned-VA-wait-list-scandal-TV-just-like-IRS-Fast-Furious-reporter-snooping-scandals.html

White House says Obama only learned of VA wait-list scandal on TV

duane1969
05-21-2014, 10:36 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2633103/White-House-says-Obama-learned-VA-wait-list-scandal-TV-just-like-IRS-Fast-Furious-reporter-snooping-scandals.html

White House says Obama only learned of VA wait-list scandal on TV

Sooo....

Option A - That is a lie

Option B - That is the truth and he is a highly uninformed president.

If it is Option B then that is hardly comforting. The thought that our president has a staff that is so incompetent that he learns about significant issues within his administration by watching the 6 o'clock news is troubling.

Wickabee
05-22-2014, 01:02 AM
Duane, you're 100% Rep, through and through. That will never change, regardless of what else does.

It's called being party-bound.

habsheaven
05-22-2014, 09:13 AM
Sooo....

Option A - That is a lie

Option B - That is the truth and he is a highly uninformed president.

If it is Option B then that is hardly comforting. The thought that our president has a staff that is so incompetent that he learns about significant issues within his administration by watching the 6 o'clock news is troubling.

Funny, I do not recall the thread about Bush when he made a similar claim about a VA hospital during his administration. The right-wing must have been sleeping through that.

habsheaven
05-22-2014, 09:17 AM
I am going to assume you didn't bother to read the article, which says the backlog for some veterans was up to 21 months. Do you need me to do the math on that for ya or can you handle that one on your own?

No I don't need you to do any math. Just answer the question. Not sure what a 21 month backlog now has to do with what I asked about in 2009. Are you implying there was no backlog for veterans back then?

bud7562
05-22-2014, 09:43 AM
Of course they won't investigate. It is election time. they fix it now, after election thet forgot about vat,s agian???

duane1969
05-22-2014, 12:31 PM
Duane, you're 100% Rep, through and through. That will never change, regardless of what else does.

It's called being party-bound.

How is what I said partisan? Being conservative has zilch to do with a concern that the presidential staff is failing to do their jobs and the president has to learn about major issues within his administration by watching the news.

Is that the way this is going to work now? Every time someone points out an ineptness within the liberal ranks it will just be discredited as conservative musings and the issue ignored?


Funny, I do not recall the thread about Bush when he made a similar claim about a VA hospital during his administration. The right-wing must have been sleeping through that.

Sweet! Yet another apologist excuse for Obama by blaming something on Bush!


No I don't need you to do any math. Just answer the question. Not sure what a 21 month backlog now has to do with what I asked about in 2009. Are you implying there was no backlog for veterans back then?

I guess I do need to do the math. The investigation shows that the longest backlog reaching 21 months. Since Obama has been in office for 64 months now it doesn't take a genius to figure out that this has diddly to do with Bush. But hey, by all means, do your best to try and redirect attention away from Obama and his administration and make it about Bush. It's obvious that Obama could walk down main street shooting babies with an AK-47 and fanboy libs would try and excuse it by bringing up something about Bush.

habsheaven
05-22-2014, 01:01 PM
Sweet! Yet another apologist excuse for Obama by blaming something on Bush!


I guess I do need to do the math. The investigation shows that the longest backlog reaching 21 months. Since Obama has been in office for 64 months now it doesn't take a genius to figure out that this has diddly to do with Bush. But hey, by all means, do your best to try and redirect attention away from Obama and his administration and make it about Bush. It's obvious that Obama could walk down main street shooting babies with an AK-47 and fanboy libs would try and excuse it by bringing up something about Bush.

Not blaming the current backlog on Bush. Pointing out that the backlog has existed back into the Bush presidency and asking how large it was then. Thought that was pretty clear. AGAIN, don't need you to do any math. Try doing some reading comprehension. Where was the GOP outrage then?

Try to keep up.

Wickabee
05-22-2014, 01:28 PM
Duane, being conservative isn't supporting the reps and ragging on the dems. That's republicanism. That's you.

sanfran22
05-22-2014, 01:28 PM
The Backlog has existed for 30-40 some years. It's at an all time high now I believe.

habsheaven
05-22-2014, 01:49 PM
The Backlog has existed for 30-40 some years. It's at an all time high now I believe.

12 years of fighting 2 wars will do that.

sanfran22
05-22-2014, 01:55 PM
12 years of fighting 2 wars will do that.

It goes back to Vietnam as well. Shouldn't be an excuse.......

Wickabee
05-22-2014, 02:35 PM
So another war most people can't find a reason for you entering. Makes sense.

sanfran22
05-22-2014, 02:42 PM
So another war most people can't find a reason for you entering. Makes sense.
That irrelevant in this conversation.
150k wounded in vietnam and 50k in the current wars. What would make sense is that the wait would be longer back then.
Either way, we should all probably get used to it. It's gonna be this way for the general population soon enough.

Wickabee
05-22-2014, 03:00 PM
They wouldn't be wounded if you weren't entering wars you had no business in. Forget helping them after the fact, don't send them in the first place.

I mean, you needed to stop the scourge of communism, but lost. Are you communist now? No?

Then why did you send so many kids to die?

duane1969
05-22-2014, 04:24 PM
Not blaming the current backlog on Bush. Pointing out that the backlog has existed back into the Bush presidency and asking how large it was then. Thought that was pretty clear. AGAIN, don't need you to do any math. Try doing some reading comprehension. Where was the GOP outrage then?

Try to keep up.

Any backlog that existed during Bush's presidency is irrelevant to the discussion. Obama ran on a platform of fixing Bush's mistakes and not repeating them...yeah right. In all reality this isn't even about a backlog, it is about veterans needing care and being placed on a hidden wait list and left there for so long that they died of health issues that they could have survived. Backlogs are not hidden and lied about which is what happened here.


Duane, being conservative isn't supporting the reps and ragging on the dems. That's republicanism. That's you.

Take it anyway you like. When a president has to learn about major issues via the news then his staff is failing to do their job. That isn't a partisan attack, that is a statement that applies to all presidents and leaders.

Calling me a Republican is hardly an insult either. Unlike some here, I am not ashamed of my political ideals or beliefs. I stand by them proudly and openly. If you want to label me, go for it. I have been labeled by liberals for years, no reason I should get worried about it now.

Wickabee
05-22-2014, 05:09 PM
All I'm saying is you are no different from HuffPost. You just have a different leader.

pwaldo
05-22-2014, 10:48 PM
They wouldn't be wounded if you weren't entering wars you had no business in. Forget helping them after the fact, don't send them in the first place.

I mean, you needed to stop the scourge of communism, but lost. Are you communist now? No?

Then why did you send so many kids to die?

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/403/978/d3d.jpg

Wickabee
05-22-2014, 11:27 PM
Yeah, basically.