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podstock
06-24-2003, 01:09 AM
I am a huge fan of Kobe Bryant; but not so much of Shaq.

But, Shaq's the biggest farker out there, and I'd rather have him on the team than be facing him.

Right now, awaiting news on how Kobe is recovering from the shoulder surgery.

Fox is most likely out for 1/2 the season at the very least.

podstock
06-27-2003, 12:17 AM
Well, with the 24th pick in Round #1, Lakers pick 6'9" Brian Cook from IL

He's not the tough, muscular power forward I was hoping they would get..but then again, I don't think rookies will help the Lakers next year

I am expecting the Lakers to sign Juwan Howard, PJ Brown, or another experienced power forward veteran

For the #32 pick in 2nd round, Lakers picked Luke Walton!!!

wow, the son of Bill Walton, who's got skills, but isn't particularly muscular.

I think Walton has a chance to see a lot of playing time, esp. if he can hit the open shot.

podstock
07-03-2003, 11:15 PM
7/3/03 update: it's time to talk to free agents for all teams looking for them

Right now, Karl Malone is speaking with Lakers GM --- we can only afford to spend $4.5M

Will Karl accept?
Will Juwan "I got $105M, 6 year contract and didn't do squat" Howard accept?
Will PJ Brown accept?
Will Gary Payton accept?

These are the top 4 free agents the Lakers are going after.

We will see if money matters to these multi-millionaires more than a chance to get a ring

podstock
07-04-2003, 05:23 PM
7/4/03 update:

well well well ... Karl Malone looks to be headed for the Lakers, accepting an INCREDIBLE pay cut to $1.9M, **IF** Lakers also are able to sign Gary Payton

That's FOUR future Hall of Famers on a Lakers roster: Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton!!!

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A Laker Makeover Could Be in the Mail
July 4, 2003

By Tim Brown, Times Staff Writer


The Lakers' negotiations with Karl Malone have gone so well that they are considering the possibility they could sign him and still offer their full mid-level exception to Gary Payton.

Sources with knowledge of conversations between Malone and General Manager Mitch Kupchak said Malone expressed a desire to sign with the Lakers as well as an appreciation for their wish for a guard, namely Payton.

Malone, it appears, has made the Lakers the perfect offer: his services for as low as the veteran's minimum exception ($1.5 million for the first year), or whatever rate they agree would be necessary to top off their roster with Payton. It is possible the offer is dependent on the mid-level money going to Payton. If not, the Lakers could split the mid-level to improve their depth in the backcourt and sign another front-court player, perhaps Robert Horry, or use the entire mid-level exception for Malone. The Lakers also could lose Malone if Payton declines their offer.

In the process, Malone has convinced the Lakers that his only agenda, in what would be his 19th NBA season, would be to win the championship that eluded him in Utah.

It would be an extraordinary gesture by a 39-year-old player still skilled enough to have been selected to last year's All-Star game and next year's Olympic team. Last season, Malone averaged at least 20 points for the 17th consecutive season and was the only power forward endorsed by Horry on the day Horry's option was not exercised.

Malone, who as a free agent also has drawn interest from the San Antonio Spurs, is still well regarded as a rebounder and defender, enough that Shaquille O'Neal already has given his blessing to any deal that would bring in Malone.

Payton is expected to sit down with Kupchak sometime this holiday weekend, perhaps today. He earned $12.6 million last season, which he split between the Seattle SuperSonics and the Milwaukee Bucks, and in the open market or in a sign-and-trade deal could fetch nearly three times the $4.7 million or so the Lakers have available for their mid-level exception.

As it stands, Malone is waiting on the Lakers, who are waiting on Payton.

The Lakers are hopeful that a multi-year contract taking Payton close to his 40th birthday, and the chance to play beside O'Neal, Malone and Kobe Bryant — four probable Hall of Famers in the same starting lineup — would be enough to convince him to pass up millions.

In the meantime, power forwards Juwan Howard and P.J. Brown continued to shop the NBA, for the moment with the Lakers intent on coming to an agreement with Malone. One possible snag: owner Jerry Buss is in Europe and Coach Phil Jackson is on a motorcycle, on his way to North Dakota for his 40th high school reunion, and so the ever-changing details of negotiations are taking time to run through the organization.

Teams may not sign free agents until July 16. Handshake agreements can be reached, however.

podstock
07-05-2003, 12:34 AM
uh oh, looks like this may be it for Robert Horry. I hope Lakers offer him a contract, and he signs. But, will Horry play for only $1m?

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What matters most to Horry is that he was a Laker
Steve Dilbeck

This is not right. Forget about the logic, the timing, the odd evolution it took to become suddenly obvious.

It simply feels wrong.

Robert Horry's career as a Laker is apparently over.

Just like that -- with an odd mix of clear foreshadowing and unexpected suddenness -- Horry has gone quietly into the good night.

Without fanfare and with little tribute, the forward who arguably was the third most important player in a run of three consecutive championships, who hit one of the most celebrated shots in team history, is just gone.

Slipped out the back when few were noticing, like he simply was some other player, some extra hand whose time had come and gone.

There was no outcry, no sports-talk shows overcome with outrage, no real ovation for what he helped bring to the Lakers. One major area newspaper ran his exit on its back page.

He deserves better, deserves to hear his accomplishments lauded, a few hands wrung at his passing as a Laker.

Horry acts as though he couldn't care less, like he's almost more comfortable without anyone making a fuss over him.

"You know how I like to do things," he said by phone. "Just do my thing and go about my business."

That's part of this nonreaction, of course, Horry's own laid-back approach. Add a slightly disappointing regular season, a disastrous postseason, the team's need for a makeover and the evolution of not picking up his option and re-signing him at a lower rate to probably not re-signing him at all, and you have the end of a 6-year Lakers career that has received too little attention.

He's not some name in the small type in the daily transactions page. This is the one Laker counted on to defend the super power forwards of the Western Conference.

The player who hit the stunning 3-pointer at the buzzer to beat Sacramento in Game 4 of the Western Conference finals in 2002. The defining shot of the Lakers' run.

Horry came to the Lakers as a 6-foot-10 small forward but moved to power forward with the addition of Rick Fox. People thought he couldn't defend the West's power forwards, but he put on 20 pounds of muscle and played them well, sometimes flustering the Tim Duncans and Chris Webbers, sometimes just playing great defense.

He might not have started during the first two titles, but he was the one on the floor in the fourth quarter, the one playing the key minutes.

He was a refined team player playing in the oversized shadows of superstars Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant and OK with that, the ultimate role player who understood Phil Jackson's triangle and what the coach expected.

When Horry looks back on his career here, what do you think will be the first thing that comes to him? Not the shot, the purple and gold confetti, the parades.

"That I got to play with my dream team," he said. "I got to play with the Lakers. Growing up I was a big Lakers fan. I got to meet Jerry West, Magic Johnson and hang out with those guys.

"The second best would be just winning the championships."

They wanted a fourth, of course, and the Lakers gave them a chance, returning the team almost unchanged. Horry was in the last year of his contract, the Lakers holding a $5.3 million option for next season.

But he never could regain that postseason magic, missing 36 of 38 3-point attempts.

"I think I put too much pressure on myself knowing that I really wanted to win a fourth championship bad and really wanted to play good because I wanted them to pick up my option," he said. "I haven't had that kind of pressure on me in a long time.

"I know I put too much pressure on myself, because I was having headaches during the playoffs and everything."

His fortune, and the team's, might have changed when he tried to duplicate his most memorable shot, but his buzzer-beating 3-pointer against the Spurs in Game 4 almost symbolically went in ... and rolled out.

"I can't help but replay it," he said. "I have so many people come up to me and say something about it. If it goes in, if we win the championship, you never know what they're going to do about picking up the option.

"But I think they still wouldn't have picked it up, just for the fact they could get somebody else and have other ideas."

The option was declined Monday. The Lakers, knowing fans demand change after falling to the Spurs, are courting Karl Malone and are expected to talk to P.J. Brown and Juwan Howard.

If they sign one of them, that still leaves only Slava Medvedenko and rookie Brian Cook as backups. Horry might find a tight market flush in power forwards not offering him the kind of money he expects.

"Then again, nobody might want me," he said. "I might beg them for a job."

He certainly deserves more than just passing on through, like he was Samaki Walker or Tracy Murray. The thought of him returning to Staples Center as a Spur is just plain distasteful.

Yet when he does return, in whatever uniform, you'd hope the Lakers would give him a nice tribute.

"To be honest with you, I don't even think I deserve one because I've never been a 15-plus scorer," he said. "All I did what what I needed to do to help the team. I wasn't no superstar. I was never an All-Star. I don't deserve any of that stuff."

One bad year, at age 32, and he's gone. Gone without roses, gone too quietly.

Steve Dilbeck's column appears in the Daily News four times a week. He can be reached atstephen.dilbeck@dailynews.com

podstock
07-05-2003, 03:59 AM
ahhhhh, the news gets better and better for Lakers in getting Malone AND Payton

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Agent Signals Lakers That the Glove May Fit

By Tim Brown, Times Staff Writer


Gary Payton spoke at some length with Phil Jackson on Friday afternoon, continued his near-daily dialogue with Shaquille O'Neal, and perhaps moved closer to joining Karl Malone in Los Angeles with the Lakers.

As a result of Malone's choosing championship possibilities over financial gain, the Lakers are expected to negotiate through the weekend with Payton and his representative, Aaron Goodwin.

"There's definitely a high level of interest," Goodwin said Friday.

Malone returned to his home in Salt Lake City, where he awaits the results of conversations between Payton, Goodwin and Laker General Manager Mitch Kupchak. As Jackson and owner Jerry Buss are out of town, and given his contact with Jackson, Payton has decided not to travel to Los Angeles this weekend, and intended to consult with his family during negotiations.

Payton has given no indication he would accept the mid-level exception as a starting point on a multi-year deal, considered below market value for a player who made $12.6 million last season and is playing as if in the prime of his career. But if the Lakers were to come to an agreement with Payton -- free agents may not sign contracts until July 16 -- he would represent the final piece of what would be the Lakers' most productive off-season since 1996, the summer Jerry West signed O'Neal and traded for Kobe Bryant.

As Payton mulls his future, the Lakers hope his longtime relationships with Magic Johnson and O'Neal will sway his decision. It is believed that Johnson, vacationing in Hawaii, has also spoken to Payton about signing with the Lakers. Jackson was on the road to North Dakota when he reached Payton.

It is believed Payton would prefer to reach a contract decision quickly, whether it is with the Lakers or another team. Milwaukee Buck officials continue to maintain they would seek to retain Payton, even amid rumors the team would be stripped down to be sold. They might seek a sign-and-trade deal to receive some compensation for Payton, though Payton would have to approve it. The Lakers conceivably could pile in a handful of players to reach an acceptable salary for Payton.

Meantime, Laker management is not only ecstatic over Malone's decision to forgo a larger contract to make room for Payton, but pleased Malone appears to have chosen the Lakers over other interested organizations, such as San Antonio. In a gesture reminiscent of superstar Andre Dawson's blank-check signing with the Chicago Cubs 16 years ago, Malone has told the Lakers he would play for whatever fit their budget, assuming it facilitates the signing of Payton.

One by one, Kupchak, Jackson and Buss, along with the team's handful of consultants, are thought to have signed off on the acquisition of Malone. If he signs and then stays at least two seasons, Malone could pass Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and become the NBA's all-time scoring leader as a member of the Lakers.

While Laker officials believed the team needed to add a formidable power forward to return to its championship stature and believed Malone fit that requirement, it was Payton and an upgrade in the backcourt that was the summer's first priority.

Payton is rangy and savvy, a dynamic offensive player whose nickname, "The Glove," refers to his defensive skill. In a season in which their run of championships ended, the Lakers finished in the bottom half of the league in points allowed, field-goal percentage allowed and three-point percentage allowed.

Even as power forwards Malone, Juwan Howard and P.J. Brown became available through free agency, and in spite of their recent soft legacy at power forward, it was Payton who drew the Lakers' attention, and Payton who would allow them to finish their summer business early.

source: la times

bergzautos
07-05-2003, 08:57 PM
Lakers will probably end up getting Malone and Payton. Payton will probably do well for the Lakers, but i just cant picture Malone in a Lakers uni, and furthermore doing well in a Lakers uni.
I think P.J. Brown would be a better fit, but they would still need to find a replacement for Robert Horry, and the problem with Brown is that he isn't a good shooter.

studin
07-05-2003, 09:44 PM
Payton is one of my favorite players I'd love to see him in the purple and gold I think he would fit perfect.

podstock
07-05-2003, 09:46 PM
I agree with most of your points.

We need a power forward for defense -- against the likes of Duncan, Webber, Rasheed, etc.

Can Karl provide the needed defense?!? As Dallas proved, if all you do is score, you won't win the title.

Haven't seen much of PJ, so I am not sure if he can score; but as long as he brings in about 10 points and 10+ rebounds and plays defense, that's all we need.

Payton would serve well against Tony Parker, Jason Kidd, Mike Bibby, and other small quick guards.

Malone is making a sacrifice, b/c he's willing to play for $1-2M. Would be nice to see Malone break Kareem's record as a Laker,... and hold the record until Kobe breaks it

bergzautos
07-05-2003, 11:14 PM
Malone is a pretty tough guy for his age, i think he will be able to hold his ground well against the Duncans' and Webbers'. He still has a good 2 seasons left in him(i hope).

The only thing stopping Payton, is his age, and confidence. Payton knows he is ageing, and i don't think he believes in himself enough to know he can stop Kidd, Bibby, etc. He can still score, but can he get back on defense?

I really don't think P.J. can even score 6 points a game, i don't think Jackson would even trust him enough to let him take more than 3 shots a game. He definetly is good for around 8-10 boards a game, and typically plays great defense as well.

I personally would still go with Malone, only because Malone is a winner, and i think playing on a winning team would only motivate him more.

podstock
07-06-2003, 12:40 AM
More updates on Malone and Payton

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Lakers might be All-Star fortified with Malone, Payton
July 5, 2003
By Mike Kahn
SportsLine.com Executive Editor

Anyone wondering what will produce the most intrigue for next season, it may ultimately be the All-Star dominated, revamped version of the Los Angeles Lakers.

With Utah Jazz forward Karl Malone reportedly telling the Lakers he will take whatever money they have left if it means they also can acquire Milwaukee free-agent point guard Gary Payton, it now appears the Lakers very well may add two aging but still very productive stars to a team dominated by Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant the past seven seasons.

"Gary has to decide what he's going to do," Payton's agent Aaron Goodwin told SportsLine.com. "He's very interested in listening to what's out there. Then it's his choice (whether it's about money or winning)."

Payton will be 35 at the end of the month, but has averaged at least 20 points and eight assists in each of the past five seasons -- Oscar Robertson is the only other player in history to have accomplished that at least five successive seasons. Payton spent 12½ seasons with the Sonics before being traded to Milwaukee in February for Ray Allen.

Malone, about to turn 40 this month as well, is just 2,013 points away from catching Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as the most prolific scorer in history. Presumably, it would create a starting lineup of Payton and Bryant in the backcourt, with O'Neal, Malone and Devean George up front.

It would be a devastating defensive team, as well as a team that could score in huge numbers.

The Lakers, who won three titles in a row before getting knocked by eventual champion San Antonio in this year, made virtually no moves last offseason. Coach Phil Jackson, entering the final season of his five-year, $30 million contract, is pondering a two-year extension after this season if he gets a clean bill of health following the heart bypass surgery he had in the spring.

Far exceeding the salary cap due to the huge salaries of O'Neal and Bryant, the Lakers have two exceptions -- which are believed to be approximately $4.9 million and $1.5 million -- when the moratorium for contracts is lifted July 16. Their defense struggled dramatically last season as age became an issue for key role players Robert Horry, Rick Fox and Brian Shaw.

Malone, who made $19.2 million in his 18th season with the Jazz, wants to play three more years, play on a championship team for the first time, and break Abdul-Jabbar's record. With John Stockton having retired in May after 19 seasons together with the Jazz, Malone was primed to bolt with Utah's two NBA Finals losses to Chicago (1997 and 1998) still resonating.

One of the all-time ironmen of sport, Malone has missed only 10 games to injury (five more to suspensions) in his career, while O'Neal missed 15 games last season alone. Always outspoken, it could be interesting to see how the two get along considering O'Neal postponed foot surgery last summer until September, missed the first 12 games and played his way into game condition as his weight continued to climb into the 350-pound plus range for the third season in a row.

Although Malone's scoring and rebounding numbers have steadily dropped the past three seasons, he still averaged 20.6 points and 7.8 rebounds in 2002-2003. His passing and defensive hands remain superior -- he averaged a career-best 4.7 assists and 1.58 steals last season.

Payton's bad reputation was skewed somewhat this past season. Entering the 2001-2002 season, he promised Sonics coach Nate McMillan he would be a better mentor and more patient with Seattle's young players. He had what many believe to be his best season, and anticipated signing a long-term contract to finish his career with the Sonics. Instead, owner Howard Schultz kept Payton from finishing his career with the Sonics and raised questions of his leadership qualities.

It destroyed team chemistry and GM Rick Sund bailed out Schultz's mismanagement with the Milwaukee trade. Nonetheless, Payton is considered by many to be the best defensive point guard of all-time, and was named first-team All-Defense nine years in a row -- an NBA record he shares with Michael Jordan. The streak ended this past season.

Many believed he would stay in Milwaukee for the money, or force a sign-and-trade to Portland. His wife and three children still live in suburban Seattle and he remains very popular in Portland because he was an All-American at Oregon State. But the lure of playing in Los Angeles, where he also has a recording studio for his production company, may be too great.

The Sonics lost to the Bulls in the 1996 Finals, his only trip there, and if Malone is willing to take just $1.5 million, Payton should be willing to take the loss from $12.6 million to $4.9 million. He has homes in Seattle, Las Vegas and his native Oakland, and has done well with his money.

He and Malone were on the 1996 gold-medal U.S. Olympic team together and were on the West All-Star team eight years in a row until Malone failed to be named this past February.

"Things are just starting," Goodwin said. "It's just getting interesting."

bdrr
07-06-2003, 05:49 PM
i hate to speculate but i have a gut feeling payton will not sign with the laker, thus causing malone not to

i really hope in a couple of days you can all call me stupid!

podstock
07-06-2003, 10:37 PM
hey, that's always a possibility, esp. when you consider Payton could make at least 2x the amount ($9M+) with another team that could afford that salary and still be under salary cap

podstock
07-08-2003, 07:32 PM
and the dream free agents arrrive!!!!!!!

Payton and Malone both have done what very few athletes do: they are taking 50%+ pay cuts in order to play with a champion!!

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Payton to 'follow dream' with Lakers

Tuesday, July 8

Aaron Goodwin, the agent for Gary Payton, told ESPN's David Aldridge Tuesday afternoon that Payton has chosen to sign a free-agent contract with the Los Angeles Lakers, despite L.A.'s financial limitations.

The Lakers, well over the NBA's $40-plus million salary cap, were limited to offering Payton a starting salary of $4.9 million for next season. It is believed Payton will sign a multiyear deal with the dethroned champions on July 16, the first day teams are permitted to formally sign free agents.

"He could have taken a lot more money to go somewhere else," Goodwin told ESPN.com, referring to efforts by the Portland Trail Blazers to acquired Payton in a sign-and-trade with Milwaukee. "But he's going to Los Angeles to follow his dream."

Payton selected the Lakers over Portland, Miami -- both teams made Payton substantial contract offers, according to Aldridge.

Aldridge also reported that Karl Malone is still mulling offers and won't make a decision for at least another day, although Payton's decision to play for the Lakers does move him in the direction of the Lakers as well.

Bucks general manager Larry Harris said Monday that Payton declined to stay with Milwaukee.

Payton started 28 games for the Bucks, averaging a team-high 19.6 points and 7.8 assists.

espn.com

bdrr
07-08-2003, 11:33 PM
pod, id buy you a drink if i werent 16 :)
go Lakeshow

podstock
07-08-2003, 11:36 PM
lolol...thanks

16, only huh?

ya don't need to be 21 to drink; you only need to know someone who's legally able to buy a Heineken

It will be fun starting this coming late October, when the NBA season begin!!!!

unless Kobe is in jail, lolol

bdrr
07-10-2003, 07:29 PM
malones a coming
thats two a owe you now...when we win Game 4 of the Finals this year we can have a party...
lol

podstock
07-10-2003, 11:29 PM
ahhhhh!!! Malone comes!, like Bdrr said.

Now, if only Kobe can pay $50M and get the sexual assault case over with

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Malone to sign with star-studded Lakers

July 10, 2003
SportsLine.com wire reports

LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles Lakers' dream team could give the rest of the NBA nightmares.

Free agent Karl Malone, the NBA's second-leading all-time scorer, committed Thursday to join the Lakers, who are quickly becoming one of the most star-studded teams in history.

He joins Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant and another newcomer, Gary Payton, a nine-time All-Star who agreed earlier this week to play for the Lakers.

"They have a Hall of Fame team in the making," New Jersey Nets assistant coach Lawrence Frank said. "They have an outstanding team, an outstanding system and an outstanding coach.

"You always try to keep up with the Joneses and try to win in this league, but it's hard to keep up with that. We have to look for improvement from within."

O'Neal and Magic Johnson had a hand in luring Malone to L.A.

"The two strongest influences were Shaquille and Magic," said Malone's agent, Dwight Manley. "He's going to become a Laker. In his mind, he's already a Laker. He's very excited."

With O'Neal in the middle flanked by Malone, and the gifted Bryant and Payton in the backcourt, the Lakers probably would be favored to take the league title next year even if Jack Nicholson left his courtside seat and joined the starting lineup.

"They've upgraded their team immensely and have to be considered the favorite for next season," Frank said.

Even though Payton and Malone have reached agreements with the team, the first day free agents can sign contracts is Wednesday.

The Lakers won three consecutive NBA titles before losing to eventual champion San Antonio in the second round this year. Afterward, O'Neal and Bryant indicated they would like to have more help from their "supporting cast" next season.

They got more than they probably could have imagined.

Neither Malone, a two-time league MVP, nor Payton have played on an NBA championship team. Both were willing to take whopping pay cuts to have a shot at a ring with the Lakers.

Malone, who turns 40 on July 24, made it to the NBA Finals twice, in 1997 and 1998. Both times, the Jazz lost to Michael Jordan and Chicago. The Bulls' coach was Phil Jackson, now coach of the Lakers.

Malone averaged 20.6 points last season to lead Utah for the 17th consecutive year. His average of 7.75 rebounds was the team's highest for the 18th straight year.

Before joining the Lakers for next season, Malone has committed to play in his third Olympics.

Malone apparently was most interested in playing for the Lakers, but Manley said, "He was exploring a lot of options up to the last minute."

Although Utah Jazz owner Larry Miller was sorry to see Malone go, he understood his championship hopes.

"I don't think it's in me to deny him that, even if I could," Miller said, adding that joining Los Angeles' other three superstars seems a good bet for Malone's championship hopes.

"If you've got to go with the odds, that's not a bad place to go," Miller said.

Malone's 36,374 career points trail only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's 38,387. The record is still within range, but sharing the offense with Bryant, O'Neal and Payton will cut into his 25.4 career scoring average.

He is the only player with 35,000 points, 10,000 rebounds, 4,000 assists and 2,000 steals. His 1,434 games played is fourth on the all-time list.

The league's MVP in 1997 and 1999, Malone averaged at least 25 points for 11 straight seasons (1987-98).

Malone, who made $19.3 million last year, agreed to take the veteran's minimum salary of $1.5 million with the Lakers.

The 34-year-old Payton, dealt by Seattle to Milwaukee at last season's trading deadline, would be limited to earning $4.9 million with Los Angeles in the first year of a multiyear contract. He got $12.6 million last season.

O'Neal will make $26.5 million this season and Bryant will get $13.5 million.

One of the league's best defensive guards, Payton has averaged 18.3 points and 7.4 assists since coming into the NBA with the SuperSonics in 1990.

"It looks like they're putting together an All-Star team over there," Nets guard Tamar Slay said. "That's crazy, getting all those guys. In this league, everyone's competitive, but it looks like they've made a major step."

The 1984-85 Lakers featured Magic Johnson, Abdul-Jabbar, James Worthy and Bob McAdoo. Boston had Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Bill Walton and Robert Parish the following season.



AP NEWS
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Copyright 2003, The Associated Press, All Rights Reserved

CaliforniaSoxfan
07-13-2003, 10:13 AM
Congrats on your offseason pickups. I think it's safe to say that your going to win it all this year.

podstock
07-13-2003, 10:05 PM
CASoxFan -- thanks

but, games aren't played on paper. we'll see how the team chemistry is when season is halfway through.

and besides, who knows if Kobe's gonna be in jail by then, lolol

podstock
07-14-2003, 12:41 AM
ESPN news: 7/13/03 -- ESPN is reporting that the Mavs are pushing for Horry, now that they were unable to get PJ brown, Mourning, Malone, etc.

Lakers are still interested in Horry; but they can't / won't pay more than $1-2M

Mavs have probably $5-15M to blow

podstock
07-14-2003, 08:22 PM
7/14/03: Kobe sex assault update:

the 19-y/o girl tried out for American Idols and made it to the 2nd round, but no further.

Also, she is one who loves the attention.

I sit here, like all Lakers fans, waiting to see what happens

podstock
07-28-2003, 08:22 PM
7/28/03 update: Horace Grant comes to the Lakers!!!!!

wooohoooooooooooo!!! Karl Malone and Horace Grant as power forwards to offset Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace, Chris Webber, Kevin Garnett. Lakers desperately needed a good power forward, and now they have two!!!!!

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Lakers sign Horace Grant
July 28, 2003
SportsLine.com wire reports

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Horace Grant is returning to the Los Angeles Lakers.

A starting forward on the Lakers' NBA championship team of 2001, Grant signed a free agent contract with the team Monday. Terms were not announced.

Grant, who turned 38 earlier this month, hasn't played since being released by the Orlando Magic last Dec. 11. He played only five games with the Magic last season, averaging 5.2 points and 1.6 rebounds.

Grant is a 16-year veteran who has played in 1,110 games and has four championship rings. He signed with Orlando in July 2001 and averaged 8.0 points and 6.3 rebounds in his first season with the Magic.

He played in 77 games with the Lakers in 2000-01, averaging 8.5 points and 7.1 rebounds.

The 6-foot-10 Grant has career averages of 11.5 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.3 assists. He played seven seasons with the Chicago Bulls before joining Orlando in 1994. He played five seasons with Orlando and one each with Seattle and the Lakers before returning to the Magic.

bdrr
07-29-2003, 01:58 PM
yah, grant is good, but not great....we need a younger player

I WANT THE LAKERS TO SAVE CAP ROOM TO GET BRIAN GRANT!!!
he'd be the absolute perfect fit

podstock
07-29-2003, 10:35 PM
Brian Grant and Horace Grant are basically the same player.

They're useful to defend the power forwards of the West, but they're no longer dominant players.

Either will do fine.

bdrr
07-30-2003, 12:19 AM
Brian Grant is years younger than Horace, and much more dominant...he could help wear down the elite fowards by giving them some challenge on D by posting them up
He's a very physical player, and thats what the Lakers need...not a guy who is going to clear out

podstock
07-30-2003, 03:33 AM
Horace has played in Phil Jackson's triangle system; Brian Grant never has.

Horace will do fine as a backup to Malone.

It's not like the Lakers were going to feature Brian Grant as a go-to guy in the clutch

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and news has come out that the Lakers open the season Oct 28th vs the Dallas Mavs; Spurs play the Suns, both on TNT

podstock
08-05-2003, 11:18 PM
Well, the trial officially starts tomorrow.

Kobe has to appear in person, per the judge's orders.

And there will be TV cameras allowed.

I just want this to end quickly

podstock
10-01-2003, 03:22 PM
10/1/03: training camp opened this week, with players with less than 4 years of service reporting now; Friday is the first day for all veterans

Phil Jackson leaked out to the media that the Lakers have signed up Byron Russell, although not to a guarantee contract, so he still has to make the team.

Fortunately for him, since Rick Fox is out until January, and there's no one behind starter Devean George, it's likely that Russell should make the team as a small forward

podstock
10-03-2003, 04:13 PM
10/3 update:

well yesterday was the day of arrivals for all veterans with 4 or more years of service.

All the Lakers arrived......

except Kobe, who was "ill"

and when Phil Jackson called to see if Kobe was ok, Kobe's posse said that Kobe was "resting"

what the fark?!?!?!

I believe, as long as Shaq is healthy, we can win the title without Kobe!!

podstock
10-05-2003, 02:29 AM
10/4/03 update: well, Kobe finally showed up.

He looks old, tired, and not muscular at all.

Totally out of shape, and even worse, doesn't really seems to be in a basketball frame of mind.

And he says he's "terrified" of what his family is experiencing.

what farking bullsh*t

what a hypocrite!

I used to be a big Kobe fan....now, I wish he would stay home.

podstock
10-08-2003, 01:29 PM
10/6/update: Lakers vs Warriors in 1st pre-season game in Hawaii.

It was televised here in S. California at 11 pm PST Tuesday...I watched until 12:30 am, then had work to do.

Sportsline.com doesn't have final score; but Lakers were up by 10 in 3rd quarter with about 5 minutes to go.

Payton and Malone look good!!

but even more impressive was Slava Medvedenko, the Russian dude who was not very impressive his first few sessions.

boy, he was good, going 6-7 in field goals with about 5-6 rebounds!!

not sure who won, but it was fun to watch.

Lakers vs Warriors again tonight, but this time, at 9 pm PST, so I get to watch the entire game before going to bed!

podstock
10-09-2003, 02:06 PM
10/9 update: lakers lose by 16 (or so) points to the Warriors, one day after beating them.

Not much to say, Lakers played listlessly and the Warriors played like they cared.....

Warriors were hot, and Lakers shot 27% in first half, falling behind by 20 at halftime

podstock
10-10-2003, 02:42 PM
10/10/03 update:

oh boy! the Kobe Bryant sex assault case took a violent turn towards doomsday --- not going to go into the lurid details of the sexual encounter (hint: forced doggystyle), but it is starting to be more and more apparent that Kobe isn't going to be much of a basketball player this year.

the details about the case are graphic, and there was blood from the female on Kobe's shirt.....

oh, well....looks like the Lakers will have to make do with Shaw, Malone and Payton,

skyracer3
10-10-2003, 02:44 PM
Hey podstock, whats your opinion on the Blood on t-shirt stuff? Is that enough evidence to change this case away from the 'he said she said' sort of business?

-Harris-

podstock
10-11-2003, 02:37 AM
1. Kobe has over $150M <br />
2. that 19-y/o female couldn't make enough money in her lifetime to offset the jewelry that Kobe's wife wears <br />
3. her past suicides and promiscous sexual history <br />
4. Kobe's...

podstock
10-15-2003, 03:21 AM
10/14/03 update: Lakers lose to Suns 104-86, in an ugly pre-season game

Shaq did not play due to bruised heel. Malone and Payton didn't play much either...so it was mostly the new Lakers playing as Phil Jackson wanted to see which ones were gonna be cut.

Lakers started with 20 total players, and released 2 new rookies --- Koko Archibong and Maurice Carter

Here are the probably Lakers:
1. Shaq
2. Kobe (unless he's in jail)
3. Payton
4. Malone
5. Devean George -- having a bad training camp; apparently he assumed the starting forward spot was his; Jackson said NO!
6. Derek Fisher
7. Rick Fox (injured; not able to play until Jan 2004)
8. Luke Walton
9. Horace Grant
10. Brian Cook (broken finger; out until Thanksgiving)
11. Jannero Pargo
12. Bryon Russell

18 players, 6 need to be cut

minew_m
10-18-2003, 05:40 PM
I saw the Lakers vs. the Cavs, and boy did they look good. Lebron looked good too (ya right, 4 for 18)! I have a feeling it's gonna be a great year for the Lakers.

podstock
10-20-2003, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by minew_m
I saw the Lakers vs. the Cavs, and boy did they look good. Lebron looked good too (ya right, 4 for 18)! I have a feeling it's gonna be a great year for the Lakers.

ya, I agree

I feel that as long as Shaq is fit and healthy, with Karl and Payton, the Lakers can win it all without Kobe.

Kobe is just icing on the cake.

Kobe said he expects to play in the next 2 exhibition games..but we will see.

Oct 28th (vs Dallas) is coming up, and Kobe hasn't played 1 minute of competition!

minew_m
10-20-2003, 07:51 PM
Well, they lost again last night, lol. Shaq played a total of 21 min w/ 21 pts. If he keeps that pace up, they should do well. I wasn't expecting them to win. Chenowithe and Pargo played more than any other Laker, so obviously they didn't have there best players in. Can't wait until the 28th

podstock
10-24-2003, 02:36 PM
Thanks, Minew, for that update.

I too cannot wait for next Tuesday!!

Lakers played the penultimate game of the pre-season last night, and lost to the Clippers.

Can't remember the score....

but Kobe played for the first time in a real game!

He did well from the start, 2-3 FGs, with a three pointer....but faded after that , going 4-14.

The Fabulous Foursome did fairly well, with a 64-59 halftime lead, but the Clippers hung tough, and did well down the stretch.

The last game of the preseason for the Lakers is tonight vs. Sacramento, on ESPN (and Channel 9 KCAL if you're in S. CA)

I don't think the starters will play a lot of minutes tonight (they played a bunch last night).

minew_m
10-24-2003, 09:30 PM
I'm all ready to watch the game tonight. I don't expect the starters to play all that much either. Maybe the first quarter to give the fans a show. The real fun part is going to see what the final roster is going to be in a couple of days. Sampson and Medvedenko are playing both pretty well, but is there even room on the roster for both of them? It may come down to who plays better tonight, lol!

podstock
10-25-2003, 02:35 AM
10/24 update: Lakers lose to Kings by 6

In a game the Lakers played their starters a bunch of minutes (except Devean rested for sprained ankle), the Lakers look like the Lakers of last year in playing the Kings

couldn't score, didn't rebound, and couldn't play defense.

Lakers were down by 5 at halftime, but got blitzed by the Kings in the 3rd quarter, as the Kings, led by Bobby Jackson, ended the quarter with a 16 point lead.

Lakers started 4th quarter with all reserves (Rush, Pargo, Grant, Fisher, and 1 more)......and the 2nd unit led a furious rally, all the way back to 2 points, led by Fisher's 14 points in the 4th quarter.....but the deficit was just too much to overcome.

Kobe played, and was subpar.

Regular season starts Tuesday vs the Mavs!!!

minew_m
10-25-2003, 09:56 AM
I saw that game. Was very dissapointed in how they played. Kobe Just 6 points!!! Well, hopefully they can rebound and win vs. the Mavs!

podstock
10-29-2003, 04:19 AM
10/29/03 update: Lakers 109-93 over the Mavericks

What a beautiful game, even without Kobe.

Lakers started out on a 17-4 run, primarily b/c the Mavs couldn't shoot from the perimeter and from the free throw line (gee, I thought they only did this in the play-offs)

And the Mavs never came closer than about 5-6 points.

Nowitzki did a fair job for the Mavs; but Finley struggled mightily. Nash was ok. Walker was ok. Nothing spectacular from the Mavs.

The Lakers looked good, in part due to the porous defense of the Mavs and the Mavs inability to shoot baskets.

Payton, of all people, led the way with 21 points, and did a Magic Johnson act, as he led the Lakers attack with wonderful passes, good defense, and great penetration.

Malone struggled in 1st quarter, finally scoring in 2nd quarter on a free throw. He had a tremendous 3rd quarter as the Lakers pulled away 86-67 at one point.

Shaq didn't do much, and didn't need to. He ended up with 16 points, same for Devean George, who wasn't covered the entire game (after all, why would you cover George at all this season)?

Fisher, playing for Kobe, scored 16 points, and played tremendous defense on Nash.

Kobe, perhaps playing with himself in the Lakers locker room, finally joined the team with 17 seconds left in the 3rd quarter. Perhaps he saw just how well everyone was jelling with each other

Kobe sat next to Shaq for the entire 4th quarter -- wow!!!

next game: at Phoenix, Saturday. Kobe will play

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I think, lol

skyracer3
10-29-2003, 08:45 AM
I was impressed with both Karl Malone and Gary Payton. It seems like they can still play their own style of ball while still meshing with Phil Jacksons offense. i really liked how malone was playing. especially since i drafted him in the 7th round because people thought he was gonna lose his stats.

I thought the Kobe sitting to Shaq in the fourth quarter was a complete front. Everyone knows they do not like each other, and one team meeting isnt gonna cure all the problems. BUT i guess just sitting next to each other is good enough for Laker fans to suspect everything will be fine.

By the way, Dallas sucked last night. haha

-Harris-

LakersFan
10-29-2003, 10:36 AM
Yes being a Lakers fan I was happy with the outcome of the game but the Lakers have a way to go. I think they looked good but mostly due to how bad Dallas played. Both teams are still coming together just like the Spurs earlier in the night. Im anxious to see how the Lakers do against a team that most the players are still there or have atleast had them all preseason. For now as Shaq said We are 1-0 and can build off that.
I was very impressed with Payton and Malones passing the most of everything.

wayne

Chris
10-29-2003, 01:00 PM
That was fun to watch. I think Payton is going to be the key. Shaq and Kobe have never had a real point guard and definitely not a reaaaaally good point guard like Payton passing them the ball and getting them easy looks. The Lakers look pretty serious right about now. Question seems to be will Shaq and Kobe get annoyed when they're not getting a ton of looks every game. Their scoring averages will probably take a tumble this year and I wonder if their egos can handle it. I don't think Malone or Payton really care about how much they score though so maybe it'll work out.

podstock
10-29-2003, 02:44 PM
Originally posted by LakersFan
Yes being a Lakers fan I was happy with the outcome of the game but the Lakers have a way to go. I think they looked good but mostly due to how bad Dallas played. Both teams are still coming together just like the Spurs earlier in the night. Im anxious to see how the Lakers do against a team that most the players are still there or have atleast had them all preseason. For now as Shaq said We are 1-0 and can build off that.
I was very impressed with Payton and Malones passing the most of everything.

wayne

Saturday's game should be more telling about where the Lakers are very early on.

Dallas game yesterday doesn't count, b/c they don't play defense, and just jack up perimeter shots.

but Phoenix plays a little better defense, and they've got athletic guys like Marion and Amare who play inside and out.

I think the Lakers should keep Kobe out 1-2 more games for being an ™™™™™ these past couple of days.

We sure as hell didn't need him last night....

and if he wasn't out there at the beginning of the game, why the hell did he appear in the 3rd quarter? b/c he saw how fun it was!

All this BS about his working out while the game was going on -- that's stupid. He could've had his knee rehabbed before and after the game, and still be out there with his teammates during the game

Fine Kobe more money than $2500 (that's like me stealing $0.01 from you), kick him out of the stadium for 1-2 more games!

LakersFan
10-29-2003, 02:49 PM
I agree about the Kobe stuff he needs out a couple more games so when he does come back its at 100%. Saturday will be a great game.

podstock
10-29-2003, 03:12 PM
I can't wait to see all 4 play together at Staples (even if I won't be paying $200 to attend the game, lol -- I prefer a bag of popcorn, Heinekens, and watching it on the big screen.......

and being able to go to the bathroom without missing 8 minutes of action, lol

CaliforniaSoxfan
10-29-2003, 03:19 PM
Lakers...BOOOO! I'm a Bulls and Sacramento Kings fan myself. Congrats though as the Lakers will probably win the title this year.

podstock
10-29-2003, 03:21 PM
lolol...fwiw, the Bulls have beaten the Lakers 3 of the last 4 games these past 2 years, despite their poor record.

As for the Kings...I feel bad; they're a great team, with tremendous fans...but their window of opportunity is running out.

And what's up with Webber?

podstock
11-02-2003, 03:31 AM
11/1/03 update: Lakers 103, Suns 99

what was a boring game at the beginning (Lakers came out to 10-point lead in 1st quarter and 9-point lead at halftime), turned into a competitive game as the Suns heated up in 3rd quarter, outscoring Lakers by 4.

In the 4th quarter, on great 3-point shooting by Joe Johnson, they tied the scored, and even led briefly....but free throws by Karl, Kobe, and Gary in the last few minutes sealed up the win.

Play of the game: down by 3, Suns had possession with about 30 seconds to go, and Amare Stoudamire had the ball at the 3-point line. Both Karl and Devean converged on him, and left a fairly good perimeter shooting Casey Jacobsen wide open.....
But Amare threw up a wild 3-pointer that banked off the glass, rebounded by Shawn Marion (who had a terrible game, with 6-19 shooting) who tried to get the foul while shooting an off-balance shot. He missed the shot, and that was the game.

Kobe didn't do much in 37 minutes of play, going 4-12 shooting, with 15 points.

Shaq had 24 points.

all starters scored in double figures for 2nd straight game.

Lakers now 2-0
San Antonio has a loss
Sacramento lost to Denver tonight.
these are the top 3 teams, and the one who gets to the NBA Finals will win it

next game: Sunday, at home, vs Golden St. --- Lakers were off for 4 days, then play back-to-back, in the only NBA game Sunday, go figure?!?!

minew_m
11-02-2003, 08:10 PM
The lakers do look awesome this year? Any predictions on their final record? Do you think they can eclipse the 8 loss mark by the Bulls?

skyracer3
11-02-2003, 08:23 PM
The lakers CAN break the record this year. The question is if they have the commitment to do so. Lakers have a tendency to not play 100% sometimes during the regular season.

-Harris-

edit: bad spelling

LakersFan
11-03-2003, 12:05 AM
I dont think they will break the record all they want is the #1 playoff spot then they will start resting players so like last year they will be healthy and not get hurt in playoffs.


Tonight game is great though Kobe looks good also

6:10 left in 3rd and Lakers winning 55-40!

minew_m
11-03-2003, 08:07 AM
Well they easily beat the Warriors. Shaq scored 17 and had 14 rebounds. There were again 5 guys in double figures. Payton scored 10 with 11 assists. Kobe had an impressive 21 points on 7-12 shooting. George added in 12 with 5 steals. And last but not least, Malone scored 16 points. They easily rolled over the Warriors 87 to 72.

LakersFan
11-03-2003, 09:19 AM
Yes it was a pretty easy but ugly game both teams had loads of turnovers. The Lakers now 3-0 are off to a good start. Now we now they can play pretty ragged and still win. I cant wait for them all to get in tune with each other so then we can see them roll over all the other teams.

podstock
11-03-2003, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
The lakers do look awesome this year? Any predictions on their final record? Do you think they can eclipse the 8 loss mark by the Bulls?

I agree with LakersFan;

All Phil and the Lakers want is the #1 spot in the playoffs overall (i.e. home court advantage all the way to the finals).

I think they could break Chicago's 73-9 record...but I hope that once the best record is secured, all the players start resting.

Best record doesn't mean anything if you don't win the title. Karl and Gary won't be playing for many more years, and they want that ring.


Lakers beat Golden St. last night (summarized above by Minew)..

next game is Tuesday at Milwaukee, where they were 2-0 last year.

4 games in 7 days --- biggest game is at San Antonio Thursday, the first test for the fabulous foursome

podstock
11-05-2003, 02:26 AM
11/4/03 update: Lakers 113, Bucks 107, in a Kobe breakout game for 2003!!

Lakers got off to another good 1st quarter start, with a 28-17 start; but the Bucks took advantage in the 2nd quarter, as they started to heat up, esp. Michael Redd.

Lakers led by 3 at halftime as Kobe drove the baseline with a few seconds to go, all 5 Bucks players collapsed on Kobe, and he swung the ball out to Payton for a 3-pointer.

In the 3rd quarter, it was all Michael Redd, who hit jump shots, three pointers, and driving layups, all for 18 points in the 3rd quarter and ended the quarter with a 3-point Bucks lead.

Then came the 4th, and Terry Porter -- first year head coach -- inexplicably left Redd on the bench until there was only about 4 minutes left to go.

WHY?!?!? Did Redd need 8 minutes of game time (not to mention timeouts, and TV timeouts) for rest? It's not like Redd was injured, or hurt, or old.....heck, he was shooting lights out on the Lakers.

With not much offense for the Bucks, the Lakers tightened up the defense, and Kobe took over late in the game, with 2 treys and a jump shot.

And the sweetest play of the game: Lakers stole the ball on defense, Payton drove through the lane, dished it off to Kobe, who gave it to Shaq for the MONSTER JAM, and a foul, which he converted!!

Karl Malone had a sub-par game, missing a bunch of shots, but still ended up with 13+ points

Shaq had a HORRIFIC free throw shooting, missing something like 9 of 14 free throws; but he made 9 of 15 FG

Payton wasn't too bad.

And Devean had double digits points; the first time all starters got double digits scoring since 1995

But, this was all Kobe, with tremendous clutch shooting, not to mention 2 blocks, and 8 assists.

Lakers now 4-0 and head to San Antonio Thursday to play a Tim Duncan-less team. Should be an easy win..but then again, Lakers have lost 3 out of 4 games vs the Bulls these past two seasons, and the Bulls were as bad as bad could get.

Duncan is out 2-4 weeks on a severely sprained ankle.

Friday is a back-to-back game at New Orleans, against my UCLA Alumni Baron Davis (a TREMENDOUS player while at UCLA, unfortunately, he was there 2 years and left)

LakersFan
11-05-2003, 09:42 AM
i really enjoy the breakdown of the game as I missed the begining the only comment i have towards it is the Lakers starters have all scored double digits in every game this year.

I know once I turned it on the game did look sloppy. Lakers had 10 turnovers and missed alot of easy shots but my team pulled it out in the end.

Im ready for the Spurs game and remember not only is Duncan out so is Parker.

Go Lakers!!

podstock
11-05-2003, 01:39 PM
what a shame -- we go to San Antonio for the first time this year, and both of their big stars are out.

This should translate to a 10+ win for us.

podstock
11-07-2003, 03:56 AM
11/6/03 update: Lakers beat Spurs 120-117 in double OT

despite not having Duncan and Parker, the Spurs put up a tremendous fight against Kobe, Shaq and the Lakers.

if it were the other way around, I am not sure the Lakers could've done as well

GREAT game by:

GINOBILI, the Spur who had a career high 33 points, but tired at the end of the ballgame, as he missed a jump shot with 0.7 seconds left in the first OT

and pretty much the entire Spurs team, which lead most of the way during the regular session.

Kobe was dominant, and while he says he's not going to be at full strength until December, the last 3 games shows that he's back. Tonight, he had 37 points, playing 49 minutes

Shaq was dominant, with 35 points, 20 rebounds, and 4 blocked shots in his 50 minutes. And he even made 11 of 15 free throws, including clutch ones in OT!

Payton had an average game, playing 40+ minutes, with 16 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds

Malone had a SUB-PAR game, missing 3-4 shots as badly as I would miss them if I were playing. But he still scooped up 19 rebounds with 15 points

George had 5 points and fouled out, breaking 4 straight games where all 5 starters were in double digits.

Fisher scored 11 points, but boy, did he force some shots. He is a good set shooter, but a terrible penetrator, stop and pop.

Nice game for the Lakers........but at what price? They barely beat a Spurs team missing 2 of its key starters and now play in New Orleans Friday, without much rest.

Lakers win for first time at SBC Center in 7 tries, and are 5-0

Next up is 4-1 New Orleans with my fellow UCLA alumni Baron Davis

Lakers are going to have some dead legs tomorrow!

skyracer3
11-07-2003, 04:03 AM
Im gonna start paying more attention to Ginobili. He played like a stud. For the first time he was consistenly the go-to guy, and he proved he can handle the role. This was a really exciting game. I was at home standing on my feet the whole OT periods. haha

-Harris-

podstock
11-07-2003, 04:08 AM
He's a good pick for fantasy play -- can score ,get steals, assists, rebounds

very versatile

boy, Spurs with Duncan, Parker and Duncan along with defensive whiz Bowen look like they will be a force to contend with

but right now, they're 3-3....and won't get Duncan back for 1-3 weeks. Paker comes back next week.

They better not fall too far behind.

a 0.500 record in the West eliminates you from the playoffs

a 0.500 record in the East and you might wind up with the #4 seed and homecourt advantage in 1st round, lol

podstock
11-08-2003, 02:45 AM
11/7/03 update: Hornets thoroughly THUMPED the Lakers by 19 points!!

after a double OT game last night, with the starters playing 42+ minutes or more, the Lakers just had nothing and played like it.

the defense tonight was as horrible as you can possibly play --- hell, I could've scored!!

Not only were the Hornets wide open on many of their jump shots, but they hit a ton of them, including a whopping 70% of their FG attempts in the 3rd quarter.

Lakers had a lead once, at 67-66 on a Kobe 3-pointer, but then the Hornets ran off a 28-4 score, and that was the ball game

Lakers were missing layups left and right, including 2 by Kobe in the 1st quarter.

Shaq had 21, Kobe 11, and Payton and Malone about 11 or so.

It was a terrible game, but the Hornets played well!! Give them credit, esp. my fellow UCLA alumnus, Baron Davis, who torched Kobe for 23 (lopsided score, didn't much of 4th quarter)

oh well, we're 5-1
Sacramento lost their 2nd game, to the Knicks
Timberwolves blasted T-mac and the Magic by 29
Seattle is now the only undefeated team, 3-0.

but it's Sac and SA that I am afraid of, and both have 2 and 3 losses respectively

Next game, at Memphis this Monday, so you assume the Lakers will be fresh and ready

LakersFan
11-08-2003, 08:56 AM
thanks for the great breakdown of the game I missed it with other obligations so only caught highlights on ESPN. I knew the Lakers would have problems after the double OT game and then having to travel from SA to NO. Now we got a loss out the way so maybe we can start on a roll again.

podstock
11-09-2003, 03:59 AM
wayne, I saw the NO Hornets play Chicago tonight (on superstation cable WGN)

and they played as pathetic tonight as the Lakers did last night.

so, I am slightly relieved that we lost in part b/c our legs just gave out after double OT the night before.

in the hornets vs bulls games, the hornets were doing exactly what the Lakers did vs the honers --- missing layups, careless turnovers, missed open shots, bad defense.

You know when Chicago goes over 100 points in a game that your defense stinks!

hopefullly, Lakers won't do so badly on the back end of back-to-back games

in 2002, they did horribly, and won only 5-8 games of the 2nd game of back-to-back

podstock
11-11-2003, 03:52 AM
11/10 update: Lakers get mauled by Grizzlies (title stolen from LA Times article for tomorrow, lolol), 105-95

I was at work; had to work OT

so taped the game -- it wasn't pretty (although not as bad as at New Orleans)

we need to work on our defense!

the only good thing is Kings have 3 losses; so do Spurs

we have 2 losses

next up: home against Toronto (will Kobe play -- he has to be in Colorado Thursday) Wednesday

podstock
11-13-2003, 03:52 AM
11/13/03 update: Lakers 94-79 over the Raptors

Raptors came in as the lowest scoring NBA team, and the Lakers fortunately played enough defense so as NOT to win 105-100, which would've shown just how bad a defense we have

Since it was a home game -- things went as expected; not too much of a surprise.

Shaq: 23 points; 14 boards, NO assists (very surprising!)
Kobe: 19 points (on only 11 shots!!), 3 rebounds, 4 assists
Malone 17 points, 8 rebounds
Payton: 16 points 6 assists
George -- was in foul trouble most of the night, and only had 6 points

Horace Grant and Bryon Russell are struggling like mad -- Grant is just too OLD; Russell is trying too hard. He's gotta relax, the Lakers only need a few points from him and mostly defense.

Vince Carter has 23 points on 22 shots

this was pretty much a ho-hum game.

Malone had a strained left hamstring and didn't play the 4th quarter

Lakers have now won 18 straight home games during regular season

next up -- Friday, but I forget who they're playing

podstock
11-15-2003, 03:48 AM
11/15/03 update: Lakers 94, Pistons 89

Lakers move up to 7-2,
while the Spurs lost their 4th game
and Sac lost its 4th game last night after a 24 point lead in 1st half to the Blazers
Seattle got blasted in Indiana, losing their 2nd game

Lakers just percentage points ahead of Seattle -- too early to be looking at standings, however


as for this game, Lakers won mainly b/c the Pistons just don't have the offensive firepower to keep up with the lakers

they did a good job in the first half, as both teams tied at halftime after Lakers ran up a 10 point lead.

3rd quarter was a draw; but Lakers pulled away in the 4th, as they just had too many offensive weapons.

play of game: actually, there were 2, and both involved Shaq grabbing a rebound and throwing a beautiful half-court outlet pass

the first was to George, who passed it to Payton, who tipped it back to George for a layup
the second was a beautfiul two-handed pass to Payton, who caught it with 2 hands in stride to a layup ---- much like Joe Montana throwing a ball to Rice in stride for a TD

Shaq: 21 points; 15 boards; 8 asssists
Malone: 16 points and 9 boards, and had a good matchup vs Ben Wallace, who had only 5 boards to go with 8 points and 5 steals. Malone did a GREAT job keeping ben off the boards!
Payton: 21 points and 5 assists. He shot better today than in past 3-4 games
Kobe: a very quiet (shhhhhhhhh!) 16 points, 3 boards, and 1 assist, as he focused on keeping Richard Hamilton, the Pistons primary score, to 6 points on 7 shots. Kobe did a BEAUTIFUL job denying Hamilton the ball. If Kobe keeps this up, he'll get another All-NBA defensive team!!!

the only Pistons to do anything was Billups, with 29 points...he should've shot more!

podstock
11-17-2003, 01:59 AM
11/16/03 update: Lakers dominate the Heat, winning by about 20

this was a boring game, what with the Heat missing wide open shots, and clanking free throws as if they were Shaq.

Heat shot about 24-28 free throws for the game and barely made 50% of them

Shaq didn't play much and skipped half the 3rd quarter and all of the 4th....due to foul trouble (he had 5) and Lakers blowing out the Heat

Kobe was high scorer with 27 points, with 15 coming on free throws out of 16 attempts

Payton was a monster in the 1st quarter, with 11 points.

Lakers had an easy game.

Of concern, however, is Fisher and George's shooting. Fisher was 2 of 12, and George was 1 of 7

Fisher is shooting too much; he's a set shooter, same for George

Kareem Rush played a sub-par game -- this guy has to stop making up his mind to shoot and do nothing else!

Jamal Sampson, a 20-y/o rookie just activated, finally got his first few minutes of the season and scored on a Kobe assist

Lakers have won 20 straight at Staples center..and are 1 game from tying their all-time record of 21 straight home wins. Last loss was to NY Knicks

Next up: at Detroit on Tuesday,

podstock
11-19-2003, 01:48 AM
11/18/03 update: Lakers 96, Pistons 106

Lakers got out-hustled, out-rebounded, out-scored

and just plain got out-played by a team that wanted it more.

Shaq was in foul trouble the entire game

Lakers now 8-3 and play in NY tomorrow in a back to back game

Last time they played back-to-back, Lakers beat Spurs in double OT, then got spanked the next night by the Hornets

stalking_WOLF_21
11-19-2003, 07:22 PM
the sonics are creaping up on them

podstock
11-20-2003, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
the sonics are creaping up on them

in the long run (i.e. after 40+ games have been played, I don't think the Lakers will be worried about Seattle. We're more worried about the Kings and Spurs.

it's too early in the season.

podstock
11-20-2003, 04:33 PM
11/19/03 update: Lakers dominate Knicks, beating them by about 16-20 points.

It was a close game in the first half, due in part to poor shooting by the Lakers, with 37%.

But the Lakers turned up the defense and offense in the second half and ran away to the victory.

Shaq had 23 points
Kobe had 21 points and 4 assists
Malone chipped in with about 15-17 points and grabbed 14 boards

Unlike the Pistons, who are a good team, with a center in Wallace and fairly good offense and defense, the Knicks have no big men (Doleac is more a power forward) to keep up with Shaq and Malone

Lakers, as a result of their big inside presence, shot an astounding 47 free throws to the Knicks 6 (that's right, SIX), and this is happening at MSG. Normally, you don't see this much discrepancy for the road team. Lakers made 37; Knicks made all their free throws.

But, every time Shaq got the ball, the Knicks grabbed him. Shaq shot a wonderful 11-16 free throws.

Fisher was absolutely ice cold. You could've put a beer in his hand, and five minutes later, gotten a nice, chill/frosted beer.

He was 0-10, missing from outside, inside, bank shots, treys, lay-ups. Boy, he was really trying to shoot his way out of the slump. Finally, near the end of the 4th quarter, he made 3 consecutive shots

Lakers now 9-3.

Forget who they are playing next

podstock
11-22-2003, 03:02 AM
11/21/03 update: Lakers 101-94 over the Bulls.

what should've been an easy game turned out to be a tight game

Shaq strained his calf muscle in the first half, and left the game for good early in 3rd quarter -- he should be good to go vs. Memphis this Friday

Lakers got out to a great start, up by 11 in 1st quarter, and 27-21 after the 1st.

Then the Lakers reserves came in, and that resulted in the Bulls not only catching up, and getting the lead.

Marshall did a great job, but Jalen Rose (hounded by potential trade to Toronto) played poorly, missing wide open shots.

In the end, the Lakers, esp. Kobe, took over in the 4th after being behind by 4 at the end of 3rd quarter

Kobe looked like the old Kobe of last year....as he helped carry the Lakers, with 28 points, only 4 boards, and 3 assists

Karl had another great game, with 14 points and 18 boards. He's got 32 rebounds in the last 2 games

Fisher was ice cold again, and Kareem Rush just hasn't improved this year from last. He's basically a street player, without a grasp of how the Lakers' offense works.

Lakers now 10-3

next up is home vs Memphis this Sunday

podstock
11-24-2003, 02:19 AM
11/23/03 update: Lakers maul the Grizzlies by 30+ points.

A very surprising result, considering that the Lakers didn't have Shaq, out with a strained calf muscle. Shaq most likely will miss the next game also, at home vs. Wizards. We should be able to win that game too!

It was a close, tight game, with the Grizzlies leading at various times for 1 1/2 quarter.

then from the 4-minute mark of 2nd quarter, the Lakers just dominated, and the Grizzlies played poorly!

Malone had 20 points and 10 boards in limited action
Kobe had 28 points, 3 assists, 4 boards, and several dazzling shots

Bryon Russell and Slava had tremendous games off the bench. Bryon had 14 points in 21 minutes -- season highs. Slava, his first game of the season after that bruised heel and missing the first 13 games, had 12 points and 10 rebounds -- he has been the most improved Lakers this season!!

the 2nd half of the game was pretty boring. Not sure why the Grizzlies played so poorly, considering they beat the Lakers by 10 last week!

Lakers made a new record with their 22 straight home win, all-time best!!

next game: Wed vs Washington at Staples.

Sacramento coming on strong, having won 5 straight, and only 1 more loss in the loss column!

podstock
11-27-2003, 03:09 AM
11/26/03 update: Lakers 120, Washington 99

why the huge discrepancy, esp. with Shaq missing his second straight game?

First, the Wizards were playing their 4th game in 6 nights, and if this were the Lakers with same schedule, I'd suspect they'd be listless as well...at least the Wizards scored 99 points.

Second, the Wizards are missing Stackhouse, so that's about 20 points missing.

Third, the Lakers now have 3 great players..whereas last year, with Shaq out, there was only Kobe.

Kobe scored 22, with 4 assists and 4 boards, in a whopping 26 minutes. He took only 13 shots

Karl scored 13 points, with 5 assists and 5 boards, in only 28 minutes, and took 5 shots.

both players made 7 of 7 free throws each

Gary had 10 points, 1 board, and 5 assists
George had his season-high 18 points on 7-10 shooting
Slava, starting for Shaq, had his second straight great game, with 11 points on 5 of 5 FG!!

boy, if Slava can do this night in and night out, and when Rick Fox comes back, along with Bryon Russell (10 points on 3 of 5 shooting) and Derek Fisher (14 points on 5 of 8 shots) and Kareem Rush (14 points on 6 of 8 FG)...that's one HELL of a bench.

boy, these past two games, the role players really stepped it up!!

but, next game is a MONSTER game, with the Spurs visiting the Lakers at Staples this Friday!

Lakers have won 23 straight home games and will tie their all-time record of 24 straight if they win Friday - - Shaq most likely will play after a week off for his strained calf muscle

minew_m
11-27-2003, 11:09 AM
Great Game! Can't wait for the Spurs Matchup tomorrow!

podstock
11-27-2003, 04:17 PM
Lakers, without Shaq, will have trouble winning against Duncan, Parker, and the Spurs tomorrow!

minew_m
11-27-2003, 04:24 PM
Is Shaq still going to be out? I heard that he will probably be back tomorrow.

podstock
11-27-2003, 04:58 PM
Shaq said he was 65% healthy Wed...don't know how higher a % he can be by Friday;

but he's a freaking wuss if he skips the Spurs game.

Kobe's played with hurt shoulder, ankle, knee, and injured ribs, without missing a game.

and Shaq's already out 1 full week

minew_m
11-27-2003, 06:28 PM
He better be back. I think he's playing it a little too cautious. I know he's just making sure he doesn't get hurt worse but this is a huge game for them!

podstock
11-27-2003, 09:16 PM
well, word from LA Times newspaper is that Shaq said it's very likely he will play Friday

lolol, fwiw

minew_m
11-27-2003, 09:33 PM
I wonder if his minutes will be limited though if he does play? I have him in my fantasy NBA and am not sure if I should put him in, lol!

podstock
11-27-2003, 10:18 PM
put him in

Shaq should play 38+ minutes this coming Friday

unless he strains the hamstring again

slugger21
11-27-2003, 10:44 PM
Or hurts his big toe ;)

podstock
11-28-2003, 03:12 AM
lolol....yea, that damn toe will be his Achilles heel

podstock
11-28-2003, 09:42 PM
11/28/03 update: well, fwiw, Shaq is definitely playing tonight, so put him on your fantasy team if it's not too late

podstock
11-29-2003, 02:45 AM
11/29=8/03 update: Lakers 103-87 over the Spurs

with Duncan and Parker at full strength, this was a very surprising result, as the Lakers dominated the entire game, with the lead going as high as 32 points before garbage time in entire 4th quarter.

look at these incredible stats:
Karl - 10 points, 10 assists, 11 boards -- first triple double since 1999, and 4th career
Kobe - 17 points, 2 assists and boards
Payton - 17 points, 4 boards, and 7 assists
George - 19 points on 8 of 9 shooting -- he was hot the entire game!!

and this is the most surprising stat of the game:
Shaq - only 7 points, 8 boards, and 2 assists in about 25 minutes of action.

Boy, watching this game, it was a combo of good Lakers offense/defense and bad Spurs offense/defense.

Not sure why the Spurs played so badly.

Karl did a good job defending Duncan, who scored only 11 points, and had 11 boards

Payton did a good job stopping Parker, who only had 12 points and 4 assists

Kobe did a farily good job on Ginobili, who had 13 points (recall that Ginobili had 33 points in the last encounter, his career high)

Slava had another good game, with 6 points and 6 boards.

Pargo looks to be the odd man out once Rick Fox returns this christmas, as Pargo missed all 4 of his shots. He's struggling from the field, and really hasn't done much.

Lakers now 13-3, and meet the Indiana Pacers (who have the best record in NBA) at Staples this coming Sunday

Spurs now 9-8.

slugger21
11-29-2003, 11:21 AM
man they SMOKED the Spurs

minew_m
11-29-2003, 12:40 PM
Awesome game. I'm thinking now that Shaq should have rested one more game. He looked very out of rhythm

podstock
11-30-2003, 02:01 AM
yea, Shaq looked rustier than a watery nail left out in the sun.

but it's ok, hopefully, he'll work out the kinks in time for tomorrow vs the Pacers!

minew_m
11-30-2003, 10:43 AM
He probably will. When's the last time in his career he had terrible back to back games? Look for him to come out shooting!

podstock
12-01-2003, 03:25 AM
and Minew is correct, regarding Shaq!!

11/30/03 update: Lakers 99, Pacers 77

In a battle b/t the 2 teams with the 2 best records, the Lakers dominated.

Well, so far, the Lakers have proven they are a MONSTER at Staples Center, but are breakeven (3-3) on the road.

Lakers blew out Spurs and Pacers at home, and now, they play Spurs and Dallas on the road this coming Wed - Thurs. This will be their true test. Anyone can win at home; but the real test is if you can dominate the opposing team on THEIR home court.

Today's game was pretty similar to Spurs game this past Friday -- Lakers had tremendous offense/defense, and the Pacers didn't.

Shaq led the way with 23 points, but only 5 boards; he played a total of 5 minutes in the 1st half, saddled with 3 fouls.

Karl had a great game with 11 points and 15 tough rebounds (didn't play entire 4th)

kobe and Payton had average games; Kobe with 12 points and 7 assists
Payton with 8 and 5. Payton needs 2 more points for 19,000 career, but also didn't play in 4th quarter

For the Pacers, Al Harrington had a great game, with 18 points and 10 boards; Jermaine O'Neal chipped in with 14 and 6. Otherwise, the rest of the Pacers had very sub-par shooting nights, esp.. Artest with 9 points on 2-9 shooting (Artest averages 19)

Lakers and Pacers both now 14-3; Lakers don't play again until Wed, at San Antonio, then a killer back-to-back at Dallas the following night.

minew_m
12-01-2003, 09:27 AM
Great game! Didn't Shaq also have something like 4 blocks!! Can't wait till Wednesday!

podstock
12-02-2003, 03:27 AM
there are 2 teams that can prevent the Lakers from getting to the NBA Finals

San Antonio and Sacramento

Tonight, San Antonio lost by 8-12 points at Staples to the Clippers, without Duncan, who was suspended one game for bumping an official.

San Antonio is now 9-8, and faces us this coming Wed. If we win, unless SA reels off a 15-game winning streak, it looks like our only competition will be Sacramento, who is only 1 game behind us in loss column

podstock
12-04-2003, 02:56 AM
12/3/03 update: 90-86 Lakers beat Spurs and Tim Duncan at the SBC Center for the first time in 10 tries. Lakers are 2-8 vs Spurs at SBC in the 2+ years since it opened in 2001, both victories coming this year; but their first victory at SBC was with both Parker and Duncan sitting out due to injuries, and it took double OT!!

Spurs were ready for this game, and Duncan (having been suspended Monday vs the Clippers for bumping an official) was well-rested. Spurs played a great game for 3 quarters -- good defense, good offense...but then came the 4th quarter, as the Lakers erased a 9-point deficit!

Now, this is a very impressive victory by the Lakers. Any team can win at home.....but to come into an opponent's home court, trail by 9 points in the 4th quarter, maintain your composure, and win --- this bespeaks of a contender for NBA title.

One last hurdle -- how do we do vs. Sacramento Kings -- we don't meet them until Jan 16, if you can believe that!!

Tomorrow is a killer back-to-back AT Dallas, who have been waiting for us since this past Sunday, not having played Mon-Wed. Dallas hasn't won at Staples for the past 12+ years (that's right, something like 29 consecutive defeats).

But the Mavs are 10-0 at home this year, and chomping at the bit to get at us. Can we go into Dallas tomorrow, following this GREAT win, and beat Dallas?

To get a 2-game sweep means a lot!!

minew_m
12-04-2003, 08:14 AM
Great game. Shaq had a monster game with 15 pts, 16 rebounds and 9 blocks!!! Kobe took it over in the 4th though scoring 10. Great overall game!

podstock
12-04-2003, 01:19 PM
I am very surprised by Shaq's athleticism on the defensive end.

But I suppose when Karl sacrifices over $10M (Spurs offered him a $15M contract; Lakers are paying him $1M), and Gary sacrifices over $5M.....both to come to the Lakers,

even the big dogs like Shaq and Kobe take notice.

Unless injuries occur, the Lakers will win the title this year.

If teams couldn't stop Kobe and Shaq and 3 other starters in 2000, 2001, and 2002....

how are they going to stop Kobe, Shaq, Karl, and Payton?

Devean George, who has been left wide open many time this year, is shooting a career high 55%+, is scoring a career high 11-12 points a game, and making a career high % in three point shots.

Then, you have Derek Fisher and Horace Grant, and soon Rick Fox, (all three were starters on Lakers championship runs) coming off the bench, not to mention Bryon Russell, who has played in NBA Finals with Utah before.

Only injuries can prevent the Lakers from winning it all.

In the NBA playoffs, unlike the NFL playoffs, the best team ALWAYS wins. In NFL, one great game by an unknown (see Timmy Smith of the Washington Redskins or Doug Williams of the Redskins) can win the Super Bowl.

but in the NBA, you have to beat a team 4 of 7 times.

we haven't played Sacramento yet -- but they're the only team that has the slim chance to do so.

podstock
12-05-2003, 03:16 AM
12/4/03 update: Lakers 114-103 winners over the Mavs, the 46th time in 51 tries, going back about 10 years (they play each other 4x a year).

With no Dirk Nowitzki (out with ankle injury) and no defense, this game was over before it even started (a Yogi Berra-ism)..

Lakers jumped out to a 20-4 lead, primarily b/c no one could defend Shaq, and the Mavs couldn't hit their perimeter shots or their layups.

And all through the game, there was never a feeling that the Mavs had a chance to win, even when they cut the lead down to 6 points on several occasions in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Mavs are a good offensive team, but when they face a tough offensive and defensive team (Lakers, Kings, Spurs), they fold like a torn tent.

Even I got bored at halftime, as it was very apparent that the Lakers could do whatever they wanted to do.

Kobe led with 32 points, 6 boards, and 3 assists; as usual he forced some silly shots when he could've passed to an open Karl Malone.

Shaq had 25 points, 19 boards, and several blocks -- boy, he is stepping it up big time on the defensive end. A lot of Mavs shots were short and barely hit the rim, or were unintentional bank shots that were shot long.

Karl had a quiet game, with 11 points and 9 boards

Payton had 17 points and 8 assists; he went over the 19,000 career point mark; he also went over Rod Strickland for 7th on all-time list in career assists with 7,714

George had a quiet game 8 points and 5 boards, with early foul trouble.

For the Mavs, Nash had 30, Walker had 24, and Finley had 19

boring game, and Lakers are now 16-3

next game - at home vs the Utah Jazz

that's right...Karl's former team

podstock
12-08-2003, 02:35 AM
12/7/03: Lakers 94, Jazz 92

what was an easy game early on, and a 21-point lead, was dwindled down to being a 1-point deficit, as the Utah Jazz played with tremendous determination!!

they've got a bunch of gritty players who can shoot...and did a great job against the Lakers 2nd unit, and against Kobe, who was 4-17 shooting.

Jazz played so well in the 2nd half that they whittled the lead down to nothing, and even took a 1-point lead with 33 seconds left....

then Payton passed to George, who hit the game winning 3-pointer.

Utah had 11 seconds left to score, but missed 2 outside shots, and Shaq rebounded the last miss as time ran out

Lakers now 17-3, and have a 26-game home winning streak; the all time record is 30, from Minneapolis Lakers.

Shaq and Kobe each had 19 points; Shaq with 15 boards

podstock
12-10-2003, 02:37 AM
12/9/03 update: Lakers 98-90 over the Knicks

Knicks were the last team to beat the Lakers at Staples Center, back in Feb, 2003.

Since then, Lakers have run off 27 straight home wins (3 short of all time team record, set by Minneapolis Lakers).

Lakers have now won 10 straight, and are 18-3

Knicks started the game hot, up 9-0 as van Horn rang up a jump shot and a 3-pointer....but the Lakers struggled through the first quarter, down by 7

Then, they turned up the defense and/or Knicks started missing shots.

The star defensive player of the game was Bryon Russell, who subbed for George late in 1st quarter and played so well that he was left in for the entire 2nd quarter by Phil. Russell had 3 steals alone in the 2nd quarter, finishing the game with 12 points and 5 rebounds, and an all-around nice game, playing 29 minutes.

Kobe led with 21 points, 9 assists, and 6 boards -- nice game, and didn't try to force shots.

Shaq had 15 boards, and 18 points, primarily b/c he was a lousy 5-15 from the field and 8-15 from the charity stripe

Karl, in his first game back from a 1-game suspension, had 20 points on 9-15 shots, with 6 boards and 5 assists.

Payton had 17 points, 2 rebounds and only 4 assists

George didn't play much, primarily b/c Russell had a great game. He score 4 points with only 2 boards

For the Knicks, it was Shandon Anderson and Howard Eisley, both of whom scored 26 points. Nice game for both of them. Too bad they didn't have Allen Houston, or this could've been a seriously interesting game. Houston out with troubled knee

next up = Dallas Mavs and their whiny coach and whiny owner come into Staples Center, hoping to win for the first time in over 10 years at Lakers home court (they've lost something like 25 straight). Nowitzki expected to play

minew_m
12-10-2003, 08:23 AM
Another great game for the Lakers!

podstock
12-14-2003, 02:35 AM
12/12/03 update: Lakers lose by 17 points to the Mavs, on the exact day that the Mavs last won at the Lakers home court, 13 years ago.

Tonight, Lakers were out-rebounded, out-assisted, out-scored, out-hustled, and generally out-played.

Even with Finley, the Mavs had more than enough offense, and the Lakers could do nothing with the zone defense of the Mavs.

Then, with the Mavs leading by 18 points with 4:55 left in the game, Coach Nelson employed the Hack-a-Shaq, fouling Shaq intentionally on every Lakers possession....

and it worked, as Shaq made a lousy 11 of 24 free throws.

Kobe had a horrific shooting night, throwing up bricks by the dozen, going 4 for 18.

And the game started badly for the Lakers, who were assessed 3 technical fouls, 1 flagrant foul, and Payton ejected, all within the first 8 minutes of the 1st quarter.

Lakers first home loss.....oh well. Lakers handed the Mavs their first home loss earlier in Dec. What comes around, goes around

podstock
12-14-2003, 02:39 AM
12/13/03 update: Blazers beat Lakers by 5

Unlike yesterday, when the Lakers barely gave effort, tonight was a much better night, albeit a second consecutive loss, and on a back-to-back night to boot

It was a game where the Blazers had leads of 8-11 for most of the game, and the Lakers nearly came back to win, on the strength of Kobe's game, as he slashed and dashed his way to 35 points.

But, the Lakers inability to defend Rasheed, and their inability to grab the rebounds allowed the Blazers almost 40 second chance points, and that killed them.

Shaq had a sub-par game.

not much else to add...Portland just played better, led by Zach Randolph and Rasheed

Lakers now 18-5, and tied with Sacramento in losses, as these two vie for the best record.

Lakers have a favorable December, and don't play again until this coming Friday -- they better take advantage, as they have a killer Feb-March, where most games are played on the road.

podstock
12-20-2003, 03:39 AM
12/19/03 update: Lakers 101, Nuggets 99

Kobe spent all day and all afternoon in court.

Kobe took a flight back to LAX, sped through Southern CA traffic

Kobe entered the game in 2nd quarter

Kobe hit game-winning shot

Just another ho-hum day for **THE** most clutch player in NBA for the past 3-4 years.


oh, and other players also did well.

Shaq had 26 points, 11 boards, and 6 assists
Karl had an average game with 11 points, 8 boards, 1 assists
Payton 10 points, 1 board, 11 assists
George got back on track, going 5-7 with 12 points

For the Nuggets, who played a TREMENDOUS game, and it looks like the Nuggets are for real, as they've already won 6 road games this year (they won 4 last year).

Carmello had a fairly good game , with 24 points, 5 assists, 2 boards; but George and Russell played good defense on the kid, who shot well, 8-17 attempts

the 5'5" Boykins was great, with 10 points......

but this was all Kobe, all the time

Lakers play next on Sunday

podstock
12-22-2003, 03:28 AM
12/21/03 update: Lakers 107, SUns 101

Just a typical ho-hum game; where the Suns play a close, competitive game (despite the Lakers at one time having an 18-point lead

but there was never a time when it seemed like the Suns had a chance

the biggest story of the game was Karl Malone, injured knee when one of the Suns rushed to block Karl's shot, and fell on Karl's knee. Xrays negative...MRI tomorrow to see about tendons and ligaments

Kobe had a very subpar game...with only 10 points on 12 shots. But, given that Shaq, Karl, Payton were pissed at Kobe last Friday when Kobe shot 4 lousy shots in the latter 4 minutes of the game

it was pretty clear that Kobe got the message to stop shooting tough shots out of the blue.

Devean was player of the game, with 19 points, 9 rebounds, several tipped rebounds, 3 assists, and great overall play!

Luke Walton played for the first time in 4 games, when he was inserted in the crucial minutes of the 4th quarter (Phil Jackson is a weird coach -- he doesn't play Luke for 4 games; then puts him in on crunch time)...Walton had a great 6-7 minutes, with 5 points, 3 assists, and good all-around play!

the bench played great, lead by 14 from Bryon Russell and 11 from Fisher

Marbury had a tremendous 1st quarter, with 12 points....then he was inexplicably on the bench for most of the 2nd quarter -- why not give him 5-8 minutes break, then quickly bring him back in??

Marbury didn't score again until late 3rd quarter, ending with 31 points

Lakers now 20-5

next game: on the road Tues at Golden St

minew_m
12-22-2003, 10:42 AM
I hope everything is all right with Malone. Another great game for the Lakers though!

podstock
12-23-2003, 02:38 AM
Malone is fine, so to speak

MRI is negative for ligament / tendon tear

He is projected to miss 3 games

that's a ton, considering he missed 4 games in the past 19 years (and 5 other games due to suspensions)

boy, this is great!!

I was fearful he'd had an ACL tear!!

minew_m
12-23-2003, 11:22 AM
I was fearfull of that too! At least I know now that he is comming back soon!

podstock
12-23-2003, 03:02 PM
I am hoping that Karl sits out about 5-10 games and let it fully heal.

3 Hall of Famers is good enough to win plenty of games.

and we don't play Sacramento until near the end of January

we don't play San Antonio or Dallas until March/April.

so there's no team that we really need 4 Hall of Famers in order to win.

stalking_WOLF_21
12-23-2003, 04:00 PM
i hate the lakers they beat the amare less suns dirt bags i live in az

podstock
12-23-2003, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
i hate the lakers they beat the amare less suns dirt bags i live in az

while LA dominates in basketball

you guys dominate in baseball

podstock
12-24-2003, 01:57 AM
12/23/03 update: **** PHIL JACKSON!!

Lakers had an 11-point lead after 1 quarter vs. the Warriors.

He puts Shaq, Kobe, and Payton on the bench while pieces of ™™™™ Lakers reserves were out on the court for the start of the 2nd quarter


Warriors immediately go on an 11-0 run, and eventually take a 3-point lead.

Then the Hall of Famers come back.

Phil Jackson did this same ™™™™ty stunt many times last year - a big double digit lead, takes out all starters, the reserves give up the lead, go down by double digits, and then the Lakers starters come back

WHY!!??!?!

Why not take Kobe out with 3 minutes at the end of the 1st quarter, leaving Shaq and Payton in. Then, at the start of the 2nd quarter, put Shaq and Payton on the bench, and let Kobe out amongst the bench players...that way, there's always a scorer on the court?

**** PHIL JACKSON!!!

™™™™™™™! I hope he gets a ™™™™™™™ heart attack!

Mother ™™™™™™ is getting paid $6M a year to coach.

Stop ™™™™™™™ sitting on the bench and sleeping!

podstock
12-24-2003, 01:59 AM
goddam these Lakers?!?!

3 Hall of Famers, and you still can't beat a last place team?!?!?

are you ™™™™™™™ kidding me?


next game = at home vs the Rockets on Christmas day

fortunately, I will not be at home, so I won't have the need to watch another Phil Jackson putting 5 pieces of ™™™™ on the floor so they can give up a 10-15 point lead while the starters sit on the bench!

podstock
12-26-2003, 02:21 AM
another game, another loss, as the Lakers lose to the Rockets

Lakers got dominated by last place Warriors
Lakers got man-handled by the Rockets, who had a 15-12 record.

when a bad team plays like they are NBA Finals-worthy, which both the Warriors and Rockets have done, that shows just how bad the Lakers are.

defense sucks

offense not much better.

skyracer3
12-26-2003, 05:43 AM
This season, the Lakers have been playing to their opponents level. If they are playing a last place team, they themselves will play like a last place team. But if they are facing the Spurs (last years champs), the lakers will play like champs.

Lakers can go ahead an add another hall of famer, but they will never win more than 72 games because shaq doesnt play 100% every day.

podstock
12-26-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by skyracer3
This season, the Lakers have been playing to their opponents level. If they are playing a last place team, they themselves will play like a last place team. But if they are facing the Spurs (last years champs), the lakers will play like champs.

Lakers can go ahead an add another hall of famer, but they will never win more than 72 games because shaq doesnt play 100% every day.

I can't remember the last time Shaq played 90% or better.

If he were a student, he'd never get an A on any test

Lots of folks criticize Kobe (too much ball hogging; taking crazy-™™™ shots; not passing)....but no one has ever criticized Kobe for not playing hard every game.

I hear people talking all the time about how Shaq is one of the most dominant NBA players in history, and even though I am a Lakers fan, I often laugh.

How can he be the most dominant when he's bigger and stronger than everyone else? It's not like he has an opponent to compare to. Put me up against smaller guys, and I'll do good too!

Shaq has so many flaws, it's not even funny. He can't shoot free throws for the life of him. He can't shoot outside of 10 feet. He barely plays defense unless it's the playoffs.

How can Shaq be the most dominant when, in close games in the playoffs, Kobe gets the ball all the time? The ball doesn't touch Shaq's hand in the last minute of close games b/c the other team is looking to foul Shaq whenever possible.

skyracer3
12-26-2003, 03:57 PM
I agree with you, Pod. I respect Kobe because he plays hard EVERY game.

podstock
12-29-2003, 02:22 AM
12/28/03 update: Lakers 103, Celtics 82

Lakers won all 4 quarters, and in a surprising twist, actually out-scored the opponent in the 4th quarter.

Kobe had a miserable game, going 5-18, but managed 6 assists and about 5 boards.

Shaq had a pretty good game, with 22 points....but he was pretty much triple-covered all game, and that led to 7 Lakers in double figures

Brian Cook, Lakers #1 draft pick, finally played his first game after breaking his wrist preseason - he scored on his first shot attempt

Lakers still tied with Kings for #1 in West Division

next game is Friday (I forget who they play)....

why the heck do they have such a light schedule in Dec??

March is gonna be a killer!

podstock
01-03-2004, 03:46 AM
1/3/04 update: Lakers lose by 2 to the Supersonics

In Payton's return to his hometown, the Lakers played without an injured Shaq for most of the game (out with a calf injury).

Lakers actually were tied 109-109 as Kobe and Ray Allen hit 3-pointers....but the Sonics scored the last basket, and with 5 seconds remaining, Kobe missed a closely contested 3-pointer.

No Lakers could score in the last 4 minutes except for Kobe, who got 29 overall.

Not a good game..but I suppose if the Lakers are going to be injured, now's a good time as any.

Lakers now have 1 more loss than the Kings

next up: a "road" game vs the Clippers at Staples Center Sunday

Lakers are skidding right now, with an average offense, and terrible defense.

podstock
01-05-2004, 02:43 AM
1/3/04 update: Without Shaq, without Malone, Lakers lose to the Clippers by 3

but not without effort by Kobe, who scored an amazing 44 points, and didn't have to take more than about 25 shots to score those.

Devean George and Slava threw up enough bricks to build Shaq's mansion....

and the Lakers just didn't execute down the stretch.

Lakers now 1 game behind the Kings....

stalking_WOLF_21
01-06-2004, 03:07 PM
the king are first heck ya

podstock
01-07-2004, 02:18 AM
Kings are a great team

but, NBA-caliber championship teams win on the road and at home in the playoffs

I just hope the Lakers are healthy for the stretch run

podstock
01-07-2004, 02:20 AM
1/6/03: Lakers lose by 16 or so points.

Without Shaq, without Karl, the game was over by halftime, as the Lakers had no defense for KG, Latrell, and Cassell

Kobe had 20 points, but Latrell did a great job on him

these past 2 games should give Kobe an idea of what life is like if he leaves (unless he goes to San Antonio)....plenty of chances to rack up points, but losses galore

podstock
01-08-2004, 01:35 PM
things are in absolute disarray in Lakers-land

1/7/03 update: Lakers get dominated by the Nuggets, by 20+ points, in a game that was never close from the opening tip

Kobe had 27 points..but Devean missed all his shots; Slava didn't do jack.

and the defense was as good as Afghanistan's defense against the U.S. soldiers -- i.e. absolutely pathetic!

stalking_WOLF_21
01-08-2004, 02:42 PM
OKAY THE KINGS ARE SECOND WIN THE LAKERS ARE HEALTHY I WANT TO SEE THE LAKERS WIN WITH OUT THERE BEST PLAYER and the king are with out there best playa webber the king are champions for good no stoping them execpt the t-wolves will win

skyracer3
01-08-2004, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
OKAY THE KINGS ARE SECOND WIN THE LAKERS ARE HEALTHY I WANT TO SEE THE LAKERS WIN WITH OUT THERE BEST PLAYER and the king are with out there best playa webber the king are champions for good no stoping them execpt the t-wolves will win

L...........O.......L........

podstock
01-09-2004, 02:04 PM
my thoughts exactly...

once I figured what the heck that thread was saying

lol

stalking_WOLF_21
01-09-2004, 03:38 PM
the kings won it the lakers are like 0 in a 1000 with shaq out the kings are like 1000 and 0 with out webber the team can play face it the lakers are old with some great young talent

kobe
goerge
rush
medvenco
and a lot of other mix in some old guys like malone payton and shaq your teams sucks no matter what there scoring shoes or how good the used to be there going to do the same mistake the blazers did with sining all these allstar and they couldn't play because of that the lakers lose kobe malone retires because the lakers don't win the champion ship and leftt is payton and shaq or maybe just shaq

insanefishpossay
01-09-2004, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
the kings won it the lakers are like 0 in a 1000 with shaq out the kings are like 1000 and 0 with out webber the team can play face it the lakers are old with some great young talent

kobe
goerge
rush
medvenco
and a lot of other mix in some old guys like malone payton and shaq your teams sucks no matter what there scoring shoes or how good the used to be there going to do the same mistake the blazers did with sining all these allstar and they couldn't play because of that the lakers lose kobe malone retires because the lakers don't win the champion ship and leftt is payton and shaq or maybe just shaq


....are you speaking English?

podstock
01-09-2004, 08:27 PM
I believe that's pig latin

if, indeed, it is English, some teacher is doing a very poor job of teaching the class how to write clear sentences

stalking_WOLF_21
01-09-2004, 11:44 PM
i suck at tipping it's not somethiong i do to often

podstock
01-10-2004, 02:59 AM
1/9/04 update: Lakers blow out Hawks by 40+ points

Boy, after 4 losses in which the Lakers were listless and did nothing, they came out with a vengeance, starting out 14-0 in 1st quarter, with Slava going 5-5....

27 point lead after the 1st quarter grew to over 50 by the 3rd quarter..........

The Hawks have got to be the worst team in the NBA, b/c they made the Lakers look like they were a great team, esp. without Shaq and Karl

great game to watch if you're a Lakers fan, though, as Slava had career highs in points and rebounds

Kobe also had 26, tying Slava for highs in the game

Lakers now 22-11........next up, Cleveland

Kobe meets The Chosen One, Monday at Staples Center

minew_m
01-10-2004, 10:10 AM
YAY!! It's about time they win. I didn't think they could do it without Shaq. As for the Hawks, I definitely have to agree with you. They are the worst team in the league. They do have some talent but are not using it at all. Some serious changes have to be made there!

podstock
01-13-2004, 03:06 AM
1/12/04 update: Lakers beat Lebron and the Cavs by 10

wow!! Kobe is out after the 1st quarter (taking with him 10 points) due to slightly separated shoulder, injured as he pumpfaked a Cavs player while taking a three-pointer, and the player went crashing into Kobe's shoulder.

Kobe made his 3 free throws, then left for rest of the game.

without Shaq, Karl, and Kobe, Lakers still managed to pull out this game; mainly b/c the Cavs can't execute their plays during the last 5 minutes of the ballgame

Lebron had a tepid game, scoring 16 points on 20 shots with 5 boards and 7 assists

This game was shown on TNT, and every time they spotlighted Lebron (which as a lot!), he was always biting his fingers. It was horrible to watch. They show him for 1-2 minutes, and all the while, he's biting his fingers.....now, it's ok in the 1st-2nd quarter

but you figure, by the 4th quarter, TNT would stop showing Lebron sitting on the bench, biting his nails!!!

Lakers played a good game against a bad team, and with 3 starters out , need to win as many games as possible in order to remain in the playoff hunt.

One good thing about this game: Lakers rookie Brian Cook (out until just 2 weeks ago with a broken wrist) really plays well!! He had 13 points on 6 shots, with 7 rebounds....and hit 3 of 4 free throws down the stretch, with a steal. Nice going! Phil is starting to use him even more than he uses Luke Walton (also a nice looking player who passes a bit too much when he should be taking a few more shots)

Devean George played a really good game, with 12 points and 12 boards

Payton had a HORRIFIC game, with 13 points on 22 shots

wowowowow, I can't believe the Lakers still managed to win!!

podstock
01-15-2004, 02:25 AM
1/14/04 update: Lakers destroy Denver, 97-71

Without Kobe, Shaq, or Karl,

and a starting lineup of Horace Grant, Slava, Devean, Gary Payton, and Derrick Fisher,

the Denver Nuggets must have figured all they needed to do was show up and they would automatically win.

well well well!!

Denver showed up, alright....but that's about it. Poor shooting, bad blocking out, bad rebounding, poor defense.

Lakers wanted it more, and it showed.

Slava came up big yet again, with 22 points, 9 boards
Payton had 21 and 6 dimes
and the rest of the Lakers all chipped in, including NBDL Udeke, who score 4 points in garbage time

wow...was really surprise at how flat the Nuggets were.

5'4" Earl Boykins killed them last meeting, with 26 points; today, he scored 6, all of them in late 3rd quarter and 4th, well after the game was decided.
Carmelo had 14 points on 17 shots -- now, that is TREMENDOUS Lakers defense!!

now, we go up to Arco Arena to play the Kings

Shaq may or may not play.....if he doesn't, we are going to get torched!

but that's ok, as long as we play good defense, good rebounding, and slow the game down!

minew_m
01-15-2004, 08:07 AM
Great game by the Lakers. Slava is really starting to come out as a great player!

podstock
01-17-2004, 01:04 AM
Originally posted by minew_m
Great game by the Lakers. Slava is really starting to come out as a great player!

yup, agree

His improvement is sooooooo impressive.

And his defense is not too bad, either. He's gone from sub-par to average.

boy, his jump shot is great! Now, if only he can be consistent for an entire season

podstock
01-17-2004, 01:06 AM
1/15/04 update: without Kobe, Shaq, Karl....Lakers getting shafted by 21 points in the 3rd quarter.

Losses like these are easy to take, b/c you know you can't beat a Kings team when 3 of your starters are not playing.

oh well....at least San Antonio lost their 3rd straight.

stalking_WOLF_21
01-17-2004, 12:39 PM
lakers lose to who the kings the kings

podstock
01-17-2004, 06:43 PM
lolol....

it was a no-brainer.

Lakers-Kings is always a tough game when all players are available.

Imagine losing 3 starters, and then trying to beat the Kings

minew_m
01-17-2004, 06:47 PM
Kareem Rush was great though. 16-22 shooting for 30 points. I would have never expected that from him. He has been doing great latetly. He will need to continue doing that if the Lakers have any chance at winning in the next couple of weeks without Kobe and Malone.

stalking_WOLF_21
01-18-2004, 12:24 AM
imaging haveing no shaq for two sesons only playing 40 to 20 games (c-web) so how about that

podstock
01-18-2004, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by minew_m
Kareem Rush was great though. 16-22 shooting for 30 points. I would have never expected that from him. He has been doing great latetly. He will need to continue doing that if the Lakers have any chance at winning in the next couple of weeks without Kobe and Malone.

yea, I agree!

Rush is definitely a scorer; he does need to work on his passing skills, which are sub-par. If he's continually making bad passes, he won't be in at the end of ball games

I remember his brother, JaRon, who attended UCLA at about same time I was there in mid 1990s

JaRon was a piece of sh*t, so full of himself, that it was pathetic!
He came to UCLA thinking he could just show up, play 1-2 years, and go to the NBA.

This guy didn't improve much from his first game to his last game; and made a HORRIBLE move by leaving early for the NBA draft. He wasn't drafted....and spent a few years over in Europe.

Not sure what he's doing now.

We (i.e. UCLA students, alumni, etc) knew JaRon wasn't ready for the NBA (he couldn't play defense, was an inconsistent scorer).

NBA is different from NCAA football. In football, if there's the slightest chance you could be drafted by NFL, you LEAVE, b/c in football, all it takes is one nasty hit, and your career is ruined (see Willis McGahee)....but in hoops, it's very rare to have a career ending injury

unless you're a moron like Jay Williams, buy a bike, and teach yourself to ride it, then crash into a tree, break your ankle, knee, hip, and are out 1-2 full years, lolol

podstock
01-18-2004, 02:54 AM
1/17/04 update: Lakers 91-89 over the Clippers

a terrible game, with bad offense, bad defense, poor free throw shooting,

the only reason Lakers won was b/c the Clippers were more worse than the Lakers

Shaq, Karl and Kobe expected to be out at least 1-2 more weeks!!

ugh!

next up is Phoenix at Staples Center this coming Monday.

as long as we can win a few games here and there while they're out, we'll be OK

podstock
01-22-2004, 02:37 AM
1/21/04 update:

Lakers lose to Phoenix at home this past Monday 1/19/04
Lakers lose to Memphis on the road today

both games had same features:

a long stretch during which Lakers were outscore 12+ to None

bad rebounding
bad blocking out
bad offense

Lakers just don't have any scorers....so they keep the games close with their hard play, and then lose in the end b/c they can't score when they need to.

Watching the lakers this season, I can see why Payton only averages 18-19 points a game for his career. He's not a good perimeter shooter.

oh well........ tomorrow is a back-to-back at Dallas. Hoping we don't lose by more than 30

Dallas won't have a problem scoring 110
We might get to 85

podstock
01-23-2004, 03:50 AM
1/22/04: 104-87

I wasn't too far off the other day with respect to the score of Lakers vs Dallas

Lakers played fairly well, going so far as 65-65 in early 3rd quarter

then we got blitzed on a 23-4 run, and that was the end of that.

We really only have 2 scorers: Payton and Kareem Rush

and Rush should have shot the ball every time he touched it.

oh well, just another road loss, our 9th in a row

it's off to Utah Saturday

boy oh boy...we might slip out of the playoffshunt!!

podstock
01-25-2004, 03:37 AM
1/24/04: Lakers beat Utah, I forget the score

boy, it's good to see talent!

It's one thing when subpar players are paid outrageous millions (like Austin Croshere, and his 5 year, $55M, garnered after a tremendous post-season play vs the Lakers in the 2000 playoffs; he hasn't done a damn thing since then)

but Kobe deserves the millions and so much more!!

Kobe came back; the shoulder still hurt him (later in the game, he ran while leaning to his right, and rarely double-pumped to fake a player into the air, then lean into the player to draw the foul), but he came out shooting 4-8 in the 1st quarter, and ended up with 21 points, 6 boards, 4 assists, but missed about 5-6 free throws, a rarity due to his hurt shoulder

Phil Jackson, in an interview in the LA Daily News newspaper, gave a LONG interview, and parts of it included him saying that this is Shaq's team, and that Kobe will have to fit into this structure

Phil said he talked privately with Kobe about this, comparing this situation b/t Kobe and Shaq to the Magic and Kareem situation.

At the beginning, it was Kareem's team....and as the years went by, Kareem handed the reins over to Magic when Kareem got older, and his skills declined.

As Shaq gets older, he'll play less games a season, less minutes a game, and presumably, will be mature enough to acknowledge that this is now Kobe's team.....but for 1-2 more years, Shaq will still be the Most Dominant.

Can Kobe handle this, as he looks to sign a new contract this offseason (Lakers are the only ones who can pay him the most; other teams, by league rules, have to pay Kobe $12M less)?

Will Kobe move on?

If so, Kobe better be smart, and move to San Antonio to be with Tim Duncan

No way Kobe can win a championship alone.

Jordan didn't win crap, until the cavalry (Horace Grant, Pippen, Kerr, Rodman, Phil Jackson) came.

You can stop Kobe, albeit, it takes constant double and triple teams.

So, if he's stupid enough to go to any team (other than the Spurs, or perhaps the Pacers), there's no way he'll do anything other than make money and score lots of points on a bunch of shots!!

minew_m
01-25-2004, 10:41 AM
Damn I'm gald Kobe is back. Now they finally have 1 more scorer. Nothing against Rush who played in his place, but he isn't a Kobe Bryant. Medvedenko still led the way in scoring which is very impressive. Hopefully now Shaq can return Wednesday.

podstock
01-25-2004, 06:32 PM
I am hoping Shaq returns by Friday at the latest, when we play Minnesota!

minew_m
01-25-2004, 06:40 PM
That will be a good game if Shaq can return. All the Lakers really need are bodies on the court now. Another one went down in rookie Brian Cook. That will hurt them more than people think. He was quite productive (more than Walton) off the bench. Also Fox still hasn't made his season debut yet. That is another valuable asset to the Lakers squad!

podstock
01-26-2004, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by minew_m
That will be a good game if Shaq can return. All the Lakers really need are bodies on the court now. Another one went down in rookie Brian Cook. That will hurt them more than people think. He was quite productive (more than Walton) off the bench. Also Fox still hasn't made his season debut yet. That is another valuable asset to the Lakers squad!

agree!!!

Cook looks like he will be more of an asset - able to defend, rebound, and score

Walton is a great passer, average rebounder, average on defense, and rarely looks to shoot. It's amazing how bad his shots look - it's like he's never shot a basketball before

Can't wait for Fox to return; Fox was the ultimate Peja stopper!

minew_m
01-26-2004, 08:09 AM
I know! I noticed the same thing about Walton's shot. It is pretty terrible looking. Good news for Fox though. They activated him off of the injured list. Could be any day now that he returns!!

podstock
01-26-2004, 08:44 PM
Well, news out today after Shaq was examined is that the big p*ssy is afraid he'll hurt his calf more, so he's going to stay out until things get fully resolved.

Meanwhile, Kobe plays while in pain.

minew_m
01-26-2004, 08:56 PM
I can see Shaq (and the coaches concern). With the type of injury he had, if he plays on it while it isn't fully healed, it could easily rupture. Then he would be out for at least a season. With Kobe's injury, there isn't any risk of damaging anything else. That was the only reason he was cleared to play.

podstock
01-27-2004, 02:04 AM
Minew - yea, that is an excellent point!!

couldn't have said it better myself.

but, Shaq's been hurt off and on these past 4 seasons, and he wants a MASSIVE extension for 4-7 more years?!?!

I think 3-4 definitely, but at his weight, and with the fact he doesn't work out in the summers, he'll be useless after 3-4 more years

podstock
01-29-2004, 03:03 AM
1/28/04 update: Lakers beat up Sonics by 12

Shaq came back, and was quite ineffective, as he score just a few points, got a few rebounds, and didn't play much much than 20 minutes.

Rick Fox played for the first time in 9+ months, played about 10 minutes, score 2 points, had a couple of rebounds, but likewise was ineffective

Kobe was still sore from shoulder injury, and scored about 16 points

but the stars of the game was the Lakers bench

yes, that's right - LAKERS BENCH!!

Lakers started the game down 22-9...but quickly came back to lead by 1. The bench took over in the 2nd quarter to give Lakers an 8-point lead.

3rd quarter, Lakers played listlessly, and Sonics were active, and cut lead down to 1.

4th quarter came, and it was ALL Lakers bench, led by Derek Fisher, with 5 (yep, FIVE) steals, and crucial rebounds by Horace Grant, and good shooting by Payton, the only starter to play most of 4th quarter

great great bench play, as the 2nd string got a 32-17 advantage overall for the Lakers.

Sacramento won; Dallas lost, and Lakers now #4 in playoffs hunt

next game = home vs Minnesota this Friday

then a doozy of a schedule - 7 road games in 12 days, due in part to All Star game being played at Staples, so both Lakers and Clippers have to vacate the buildling to allow preparations for the All Star game

this oughtta be good. Lakers are 1-9 in last 10 road games

yikes!!

insanefishpossay
01-31-2004, 02:52 AM
Minnesota with the amazing come-from-behind win.

Sam Cassell is unstoppable in the 4th quarter. KG is unstoppable, period.

podstock
01-31-2004, 03:09 AM
yes, MN was down at one point by 15 early in 2nd quarter, down by 9 at half, and came back to win, led by the hot shooting of Latrell and Cassell

KG didn't do much; but he doesn't have to, as he now has more firepower help

on the other hand, with the Lakers up by 2 heading in the 4th quarter, both Shaq and Payton sat on the bench, and watched as the Lakers, with no offensive weapons, fell behind by 7.

then, with 6 minutes left, Phil put both of them back in.

it's a Zen thing, I suppose

minew_m
01-31-2004, 09:41 AM
I was pretty dissapointed with that game. I was all pumped up that Kobe would play but looks like he is out for another week or so. Shaq did do pretty good with the minutes he got scoring 22 points.

podstock
01-31-2004, 11:12 PM
I do not believe Kobe was moving stuff around his garage and accidentally severed his index finger on a glass window

Dude's got enough money to hire someone to wipe his ™™™ every time he takes a sh*t; there's no need for him to do heavy duty lifting, especially when he's hurt his shoulder and could barely shoot a basketball.

He should've came up with a better lie - like perhaps he cut his finger while doing a dunk

story is as fishy as Jeff Kent breaking his wrist as he fell from his truck while washing it.

hahahaha

podstock
02-02-2004, 03:30 AM
2/1/04: in a game played at 9:30 AM in the freaking PST, Lakers beat Toronto 84-83

I can't believe I had to wake up this early to watch a basketball game; but the time difference is due to it being played in Toronto at about noon

Good game, even though 3rd quarter was marred by tons of fouls being called as the game started to get a bit rough, with the Raptors hanging all over Shaq, and Shaq fighting back, getting a techical in the process

Vince Carter had a chance to win it at the end, was fouled by George and Rick Fox, threw up the ball for a shot, but no call by the referee, and that ended the game

it was a pretty good game, and I am glad Shaq was well enough to play

Game 1 of a 7-game road trip over.

Game 2 tomorrow at Indiana - the Best in the East

boy, this is gonna be tough!!

podstock
02-05-2004, 01:01 AM
2/4/04 update: Lakers 111-106 over Cavs and Lebron in OT

it was a fairly good game, with both teams exchanging leads

but it got great near the end.

the game was close at the end b/c Shaq was missing over half his free throws.

Lebron had a chance to win it at end of regulation; the Cavs had the ball with 32 seconds, ran a play, and a shot was missed; but the Cavs got the offensive rebound with 15 seconds left, ran down the clock, and Lebron hoisted an 18-footer that missed everything.

In OT: Lakers score 6 quick points, as the Cavs got stone cold. Then Lebron made 3 long distance treys...but that wasn't even as the Lakers, with Shaq's 37 and Payton's 30, along with rookie Maurice Carter's clutch 5 free throws in OT, held on for a victory

Lakers are 3-1 on this 7 game road trip; and face struggling Philly tomorrow. Even though it's a back-to-back, they should still win.

Lebron had an average game with 23 points in regular session; and his three 3-pointers in OT gave him 32 total

he had a chance to win it for the Cavs...but airballed the final shot

minew_m
02-05-2004, 08:18 AM
Great game for the Lakers. Shaq did miss quite a few FT's but he did hit a couple late when it counted. On the other side of the court, another great game for Boozer. I watched him play at Duke and never thought that he'd be this good in the NBA.

podstock
02-06-2004, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by minew_m
Great game for the Lakers. Shaq did miss quite a few FT's but he did hit a couple late when it counted. On the other side of the court, another great game for Boozer. I watched him play at Duke and never thought that he'd be this good in the NBA.

Boozer was available for the Lakers, but they went for someone else - i forget who

I was hoping Lakers would draft Boozer as a backup for Shaq

oh well!

podstock
02-06-2004, 01:04 AM
2/5/04 update: Lakers get blown to bits, 96-73, in a game that wasn't close

boy, did the Lakers stink up the joint!!

first, Payton got ejected in the 1st quarter for mouthing off to the ref. I've seen Payton play for the Lakers this year, and I don't see how the Sonics put up with him. This guy gets pissed at every single call!!

look, if you scream at the referee every now and then when a foul is called, that's fine. But if you're screaming at every call made against you, you lose validity. How is Payton considered a Hall of Famer? He's had so many chances to take over the games for the Lakers, but instead, he's basically shown that he's another John Stockton, but more athletic.

second, Shaq stunk up the joint - 3 out of 15 for free throws. You read it right!! three damn free throws made out of 15. And this guy is considered the most dominant in the game? a career 50% shooter?

heck, it's not hard to play against Shaq, just use the #9-12 players on your bench to commit fouls on him, then hope you can score enough points while he's missing his free throws. If you use four players to intentionally foul Shaq, that's 24 possessions that the Lakers have wasted. That's 24 possession where you can score 2-3 points while Shaq makes 1 of 2 free throws

think about that strategy -- not a bad one, eh?

Lakers shot 42% from charity stripe and 34% from the field

by, on a good note, the Lakers have lost 7 of the last 8 times they've visited Philly, which means even if they had their full starters, chances were more likely for them to lose

next game Sunday at Orlando; Kobe is supposed to be back, unless he gets into another "accident" lololol

podstock
02-09-2004, 03:05 AM
2/8/04: Lakers win by 2 (I forgot score)

boy, this game almost made me a manic-depressive

first, the Lakers got out to an8-point lead at end of 1st quarter

then, the 2nd and 3rd quarter came, and everything fell apart: Lakers starting clanking shots; Magic started making shots, led by T-Mac, and the Lakers fell behind, by as much as 18 freaking points!!!!

boy, 2 Hall-of-Famers, and we fell behind by 18 to the worst team in the NBA?!?!!

but, in the 4th quarter, Phil Jackson put in the reserves, including Luke Walton, and the comeback rally began, with Walton doing a great job, 7 assists and a couple of buckets in just 13 minutes!!

the starters came in and finished the job!

the last couple of minutes saw Juwan Howard score on 3 straight possessions, taking advantage of Howard-Walton matchup (Horace Grant was waiting to get in the game)....

Lakers, down by 3 with 20 seconds, got a 3-pointer by Rick Fox, his only basket of the bal game!!!

Then, with 11 seconds left, Rod Strickland got the ball stolen by the pesky Derek Fisher, who passed to Payton for the game winning layup!!!! What a play by Fisher, who 3 nights earlier couldn't do anything worth a lick vs. Philly

Magic had 4 seconds to try a shot. Ball was inbounded to Giricek, who had a chance to pass the ball to T-Mac; instead he tried to shoot the ball, only to have Payton block the shot.

whewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

Lakers ESCAPE with a 2-point win!

next up = Tuesday at Miami...Kobe expected to play!

skyracer3
02-09-2004, 03:37 AM
The steal by Fisher was CLUTCH!! That steal attempt was planned since they had a foul to give, and thats why Gary got a good head start for the easy lay up.

Very well done.

minew_m
02-09-2004, 08:13 AM
Great game by the Lakers. It made me proud to be a Laker fan (first time I could say that in a while, lol)!

podstock
02-11-2004, 04:47 PM
2/10/04: Lakers beat Heat by 11

boy, the Lakers started the game down 19-5

to one of the worst team in the NBA!!!

But, like the Sunday game where they fell behind Orlando, the worst team in NBA, by 18 in the 3rd quarter..........


the Lakers came back in the 2nd and 3rd quarters to keep it close

then the 4th came and Shaq awoke!!!!

tremendous game by Shaq, including a GREAT steal as he stepped into the passing lane, stole the ball, dribbled all the way down court for the jam and got several hugs from fans as he tumbled into the crowd.

Fisher and George were awesome!! combining for about 36 points off the bench

Fisher made a couple of tremendous steals and passes for assist to blow a close game into a blow-out

this was the first time the Lakers actually played a 4th quarter game.

next up: Shaq vs Yao, with Kobe in the mix too!!

podstock
02-12-2004, 01:59 AM
2/11/04: Lakers lose by 15

I don't know if it was bad defense by Lakers or great offense by Houston, who shot lights out, including Francis, who went 9 for 11 with 21 points, and Ming went for 29

Kobe played, took 7 shots, had 14 points

but the big question is this: why the hell did Slava keep shooting?!?!?

Slava is a great offensive player. He can shoot the outside shot well. But, he is not consistent.

Tonight, he was 1-8 (more shots than Kobe), and his misses were BAD misses --- wide open, uncontested 15-footers

Yet, in a crucial stretch late 3rd and early 4th quarter, Slava keep shooting.

It's ok for Iverson, T-Mac, Kobe, etc to try to shoot their way out of slumps when they are having a bad night.

But a role player like Devean George / Slava / Fisher should never keep putting up shots after they are 1 for 10, or 2 for 11

that's farking ridiculous!!!

minew_m
02-12-2004, 08:17 AM
That is ridiculous! Look how many lay-ups Slava missed at the begenning of the game too. On a better note, Shaq did go quite well from the foul line. He went 14-19!

podstock
02-15-2004, 02:56 AM
I can't believe Shaq made 14 free throws in 19 tries!!!!!

but, on a very very disturbing note:

all the talk in Lost Angeles is that Kobe is leaving.

(SIGH)

oh well....he could've been the next Magic Johnson, and possibly have a statue right next to Magic.

Kobe has it all - money, rings, and the chance to make more money and get more rings.

I've seen Kobe play countless games, with and without Shaq.

There is no way Kobe can win an NBA title without a big man (Shaq, Tim Duncan)

Michael Jordan is one that rare player who didn't need a big man.

As good as Kobe is, and I think he's Hall of Fame 1st ballot worthy, Kobe is no Jordan.

what a shame it would be for him to leave (and he's gonna be paid less money, about $12M less, since by rule, no team can sign Kobe to a higher contract than the Lakers.)

I will still root for him, b/c he's still one of the very few who spends his offseason working on his game

I would prefer to have Phil Jackson leave, Kobe and Shaq stay, and let Byron Scott coach the team.

podstock
02-18-2004, 03:06 AM
2/17/04: Lakers win by 3, in a close game that shouldn't have been, as Portland is a bad road team

Shaq only shot 13 times, making 9, and had about 21 points

Kobe shot 13 of 23, missed 4 of 9 free throws, but made some clutch plays in the end to seal the victory. Without Kobe, Lakers are dead next year.

Shaq is a dominant player who can wear out all the big men the other team has.....but in a close game, Shaq is useless, b/c he can't make free throws (he always says he makes them when it counts...but if he hit free throws in the 1st quarter, he wouldn't have to hit them in the 4th quarter. All free throws are important). That's where Kobe is so good - you simply cannot contain him unless you send 2-3 players to swarm on him. He can create his own shots, can shoot right or left handed, and is a reliable free throw shooter, at an 85% clip.

next up = at Golden St. Tomorrow. Lakers have been HORRIBLE in 2nd of a back-to-back.

Dallas lost to the surprisingly strong Memphis Grizzlies, and Lakers are percentage points ahead of Dallas for 4th spot. And 2 games behind San Antonio for 3rd.

The ideal thing is for Minnesota is to finish 2 or 3, and Lakers to get the other spot.

Then have Sacramento finish #1, San Antonio #4

now that's a tremendous series in the playoffs

podstock
02-19-2004, 03:29 AM
2/18/04: Lakers 100-99 over the Warriors of Golden St

whhhhhhhhewwwwwwwwwwwww!

this was a close game, with leads being exchanged a bunch of times (I would guess over 15 times), and the only reason the Lakers won was because Shaq decided to play defense

Kobe is always dependable, on offense and defense, as he scored 11 points in the 3rd quarter to keep the Lakers close

But this was Shaq's best defensive effort, as he was everywhere - jumping out on pick-and-roll, blocking shots, getting defensive AND offensive rebounds.

Even with a lousy 1-9 free throw shooting, with the Lakers up 1, and 2.3 seconds to go, Shaq blocked Cliff Robinson's last shot of the ball game to help the Lakers win a very rare back-to-back.

Gary Payton didn't do much, got into a verbal fight with Speedy Claxton in the 3rd quarter, and both were ejected.

This was all Kobe (36 points and 7 assists) and Shaq (31 points and 7 assissts)

Luke Walton played the entire 4th quarter, in a big surprise for a rookie!

the bench players didn't do much.

The Warriors, as always, played the Lakers tough to the end, as Van Exel made shot after shot in the 4th quarter.

Jason Richardson had 25, with several athletic dunks
Cliff Robinson chipped in with 23
Nick had 13

Lakers play Philadelphia Friday at Staples.....and we'll see how Iverson does after being benched for missing practice (practice!) by new interim coach Chris Ford

Dallas won, San Antonio won.....Lakers barely percentage points ahead of Dallas for 4th place; San Antonio still 2 games up

podstock
02-21-2004, 02:47 AM
2/20/04: Lakers 116-88 over the Sixers, as the fans at Staples Center all get 1 free chalupa since the Lakers held the Sixers to under 90


Just before All-Star break, the Lakers came into Philly on the 2nd of a back-to-back, and got destroyed.

Today, they return the favor as Philly comes to LA on the 2nd of a back-to-back (having lambasted Seattle the night before).

This really wasn't much of a contest, as the Lakers outscored the Sixers in all 4 quarters.

Iverson had a horrendous shooting night, going 3-for-18, with 13 points....helped partially by Payton's defense.

Shaq had 29 points, 10 boards, and 3 assists, while not playing the entire 4th quarter

Kobe, who played only 2 minutes of the 3rd quarter due to picking up his 4th foul, had 28 points, 7 assists, 3 steals, 2 block shots, and 5 boards....all in 30 minutes of play

Kareem Rush played well in garbage time, with 13 points on 6-9 shooting and 3 assists

Bryon Russell played for the first time in several games, and performed admirably, with 4 points, and 6 boards. He played mainly b/c Rick Fox and Slava got into foul trouble early

Luke Walton, who is a SUPERB passer, played well in his 17 minutes

and Brian Cook, back from an injury, played ok for having missed about 12 games. His highlight included receiving a pass from Kobe as he raced down the court and slamming it in.

Spurs lost, so Lakers and Spurs now have 19 losses apiece, and Lakers 1 full game behind them for #3 position.

Sacramento and Minnesota tied for best record in West

minew_m
02-21-2004, 11:27 AM
Great game for the Lakers. Great game dominated by Shaq!!!! I sorta felt bad for Dalembert of the Sixers. He weighs a full 100 lbs. less than Shaq and was dominated all night. He will be a great player, just not against Shaq!
Also great to see the return of Brian Cook. Now the only Lakers missing is Malone. Can't wait to see him back (hopefully soon).

podstock
02-21-2004, 05:11 PM
I think Malone is looking to come back March 8th, the day Lakers go to Utah to play the Jazz

minew_m
02-21-2004, 05:57 PM
I know that the Lakers were saying that they were hoping he would come back in March. Malone himself said in an interview that he would like to be back sooner. They shouldn't take a chance with him anyhow. Rest him up before the playoffs!

podstock
02-23-2004, 02:47 AM
2/22/04: Lakers beat the Suns 104-92

this was a much closer game than the score indicated.

The Lakers got out to an early 14-point lead early in the 2nd quarter, then it was downhill from there, as they got outscored 27-17 in the 2nd quarter, with great shooting by Amare, Marion, and Joe Johnson.

The Suns lead grew to as big as 6 before the Lakers clawed their way back into the ball game, helped by officiating, in which Shaq could've been called 3 times for his 4th foul, but the zebras kept their whistles out of their mouth.

Shaq finally got that foul late in the 3rd quarter.

By the 4th quarter, it was all Kobe, who made 3-4 spectacular plays, highlighted by a spectacular rebound and put-back of a missed shot. Kobe came out of nowhere to get that rebound.

This was Kobe's game, and he's looking like his old form, post-All Star break, averaging over 33 points in the past 4 games, including tonight's 40 point, 7 board and 5 assists performance, along with 8-8 free throws, and 15-25 shooting

Shaq did ok, but he was often triple-teamed, and only got 19 points and 5 boards

Payton had 20 points, 5 boards nad 5 assists; he's been shooting the 3-pointers quite well

Slava hada miserable game, got into early foul trouble (what else is new?) and was 0-5 shooting with 0 points.

Horace had a TREMENDOUS game, in helping to "contain" 21-y/o Amare, who scored 25 points, but only made 8 field goals. Grant, despite being 40-y/o (or whatever age), helped to slow down Amare.........

Marion had 22 points; but Joe Johnson had a very disappointing 11 points on 17 shots

next up: At Denver on Wed; then right back home to play the Queens, er, Kings of Sacramento

Spurs won
Kings won

Lakers still in 4th playoff spot

podstock
02-26-2004, 03:21 AM
2/25/04 update: Lakers 112-111 as they steal a win from the Nuggets, who lead for the majority of the game.

boy, I cursed like never before this whole game, as the Lakers played NO defense, allowing the Nuggets to shoot over 65% before a 4th quarter defensive stand dropped that to 55%

but the 4th quarter, in which they were down by 13 points, was a thing of beauty

as the Lakers turned on the offense and defense.

Luke Walton made an INCREDIBLE steal and layup, Payton made several clutch jumpers, as did Kobe with a 3-pointer and Rush with a 3-pointer....

but the play of the game came with about 29 seconds left, when a missed shot by a Nugget as the shot clock wound down barely glanced the rim, was rebounded by Carmelo, but the ref blew the whistle....it was an inadvertent whistle, there was a jump ball, won by the Denver center, but grabbed by Payton

Payton passed to Kobe, who got double teamed, passed to Payton, who passed to Luke, who penetrated, and dished to a wide open Rush, who calmly and firmly shot in a 3-pointer, with 3.2 seconds left. A last second shot by Andre Miller, who should've passed it to an open Carmelo, hit the front of the rim and missed

Lakers now 4-0 after All Star break, and face the Kings at home tomorrow on TNT!!

Last time they met, Lakers had no Shaq, no Kobe, No Karl, and the Kings showed NO mercy, as they grab the early 1st quarter lead, and poured it on thick as maple syrup.

In the 4th quarter, with the game well in hand, several of the Kings' starters were still out there vs. the Lakers reserves.

willl the Lakers overcome a back-to-back, and come back to seek vengeance?

stay tuned tomorrrow!!

minew_m
02-26-2004, 04:40 PM
A nail biter by the Lakers. The only thing I don't understand is why isn't Shaq getting the ball? He is the most dominant player in the game and he only got 10 shots yesterday! That mentality definitely won't work against Queens.... I mean Kings!

podstock
02-26-2004, 09:16 PM
Minew, Shaq was lackadaisical yesterday, and the Nuggets totally collapsed on him on defense.

Shaq had a measly 6 rebounds.

someone as big as Shaq shouldn't have a problem averaging 10 rebounds a night

tonight's gonna be a TREMENDOUS game. Can the sly Rick Fox slow down Peja?

Fox stopped Peja for the past 3 playoffs (not counting last year, when they didn't meet)....but Fox is older, and now a step slower, while Peja is getting into his prime

skyracer3
02-26-2004, 10:04 PM
Arent the kings going to play without Brad Miller tonight? Along with him and Webber..the Lakers shouldnt have any problem beating the Kings

podstock
02-27-2004, 03:09 AM
2/26/04 update: Kings beat Lakers 103-101

first, let me say that the Kings did a GREAT job beating the Lakers

having said that, let me say why it happened that 3 Hall of Famers couldn't beat a team missing its best player in Webber, its best reserve in Bobby Jackson, and an All-star in Miller

1. Shaq is a joke in crunch time. This overpaid fat SOB says that he is MDE (most dominant ever) and that he makes his free throws when he has to.

well. Shaq is useless in a close game, b/c he's lucky to make 50% of his free throws. Shaq missed 3 of 4 free throws in the last 1 1/2 minutes of the ballgame

2. Lakers do NOT know how to handle pick-and-roll. During the 3-year title run, they couldn't handle it, but they were still athletic and skillful enough to win out games. Now, 4 years later, Fox has lost 3-4 steps, Fisher is useless as a defensive player, and Shaq doesn't do jack for most of the ballgame on the defensive end.

3. Kobe did as much as he could, with 33-35 points, assists, and rebounds, but he had the ball with 9 seconds remaining, and barely hit the rim on a 3-pointer. If he wants to be Michael Jordan, he's gotta make these shots against these teams. It's no use making a last second shot against the Orlando Magic or Chicago Bulls. Do it against the best teams.

3. Fisher refuses to understand that he is an absolute sh*tty dribble drive, stop, and pop. Kobe is the only one who does this well on the Lakers. Fisher is HORRIBLE...yet, he continues to insist on dribbling in, stopping, and clanking shots. Does he not realize he is a set shooter? It's too late to change

4. Shaq was again lackaidaisical at throughout most of the game. Every point counts. 2 points at the beginning of the game, counts as much as 2 points at the end. Free throws made at the beginning count as much as 2 points at the end.

5. what the f*ck is up with Kobe heaving up left handed shots? Sure, when the clock is winding down and the defender is playing him to the right, then shoot left....but, this f*cker was throwing up 4-5 left hand shots that didn't have a chance!

I am sooooooooooooooooo f*cking pissed. Lakers had 3 healthy Hall of Fame players, and still couldn't beat a Kings team that was missing 3 of its better players, including 2 starters and a 6th man award winner

you have got to be ™™™™™™™ kidding me!! I almost threw my Heinekein at the goddam TV.

Fox is over-the-hill; Fisher is over-the-hill, Horace is over-the-hill, Shaq is getting there

Seems like Kobe is the only one with any athleticism!!!!

skyracer3
02-27-2004, 03:22 AM
Theres a reason why Shaq is so INVISIBLE during crunch time. What can you do with him?? You cant have him post up outside the box and make a play for himself? All he knows how to do is rush his defender and knock him down. Thats not going to work during the end of the game because the refs will be quick to blow their whistle.
And the Kings know EXACTLY how to run their offense against the Lakers. KEEP SHAQ OUT OF THE PAINT. When Vlade sets a pick for bibby by the 3 point line..Shaq is also there. That basically means both Vlade AND Shaq are setting a screen for bibby and payton has to go around both of them. Shaq is too immobile to switch defenders so its easy to go around him if they do switch.

During the end of the game its like Shaq is Superman, but the basketball is his kryptonite.

Is he the most dominate player?? possibly..but the man would of never amounted to anything without Kobe because Kobe does it all at the end of the game...Shaq just makes the occasional free throw and swagger like hes the man.

minew_m
02-27-2004, 08:22 AM
I have to defend Shaq a little here. You say he is useless at the end of the game. Well Kobe is useless during the whole game, except the fourth quarter. Yesterday he went 12 for 28 from the floor. Shaq went 75% from the floor (9-12). Kobe may have gotten more points but also missed a hell of a lot of shots too. Kobe may make it in the fourth "when it counts" but if hed make a little more in the first three quarters, he wouldn't need to make them then!

skyracer3
02-27-2004, 12:10 PM
12-28 is shooting about 42%. Thats not a great percentage, but it isnt terrible. No body who takes the type of shots kobe does can consistenly stay at 50%. Shaq only took like 12 shots because he...

podstock
02-27-2004, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
I have to defend Shaq a little here. You say he is useless at the end of the game. Well Kobe is useless during the whole game, except the fourth quarter. Yesterday he went 12 for 28 from the floor. Shaq went 75% from the floor (9-12). Kobe may have gotten more points but also missed a hell of a lot of shots too. Kobe may make it in the fourth "when it counts" but if hed make a little more in the first three quarters, he wouldn't need to make them then!

whoa, there!

Kobe is useless during the whole game,except 4th quarter?

1. Can Kobe shoot from the perimeter? yes

2. Can Kobe shoot from beyond the 3-point line? yes

3. Can Kobe dribble drive, penetrate, stop and pop a 15-footer, or lay up the ball? yes

4. Does Kobe play defense? yes

5. Does Kobe get the key offensive rebounds? Ask the Kings in the 2000 playoffs, the Spurs in the 2000 playoffs, the Spurs in the 2001 playoffs, etc.

6. Has Kobe improved his play year after year? yes, he shoots 3-pointers better in the last 3 years. He's added a bank shot to his game just this past 5 games, after practicing with Duncan at the all-star game. He's improved to 85% in free throws, up from 79%.
His FG % is pretty steady at 45%

7. Does Kobe enter each new NBA season in shape? yes, he spends his summers working out, and practicing jump shots, new shots -- and if you follow Lakers basketball, you see Kobe improve yearly.

Now for Shaq:

1. Is he the biggest, most unstoppable player? yes, after all, only Yao has the size, but not the strength, to play Shaq

2. Does Shaq play defense? Not in the 1st half of the season, not in the first 3 quarters of 75% of the games.

3. Does Shaq enter each new NBA season in shape? NO, he's even admitted that he uses the 1st half of the season to get himself in shape. According to Shaq, his summers are for him to spend doing what he wants - rap music, movies, hanging out.

4. Can Shaq shoot free throws? NO, he says he makes them when it counts. WHAT THE ™™™™ DOES THAT MEAN? 1 point in the 1st quarter counts exactly the same as 1 point in the 4th quarter. Shaq is a career 50-55% shooter. If he made his free throws in the 1st-3rd quarters, he wouldn't have to make them all in the 4th quarter. 3 years ago, he was about 52%. Last year, he was at 62%. This year, he's down to 51%.

5. Can Shaq shoot mid-range jumpers? no

6. How does Shaq score? he shoots within 3-8 foot shots, usually after overpowering smaller players. Put me up against smaller people, and I could score too.

7. Given that Shaq is the most unstoppable force, how many NBA Defensive Players of the Year award has he won?
NONE
Isn't defense based not only on size, but also on effort? After all, rebounds and block shots don't come to you. YOU go block shots, YOU go get rebounds.
How can the "Most Dominant Ever" center NOT WIN ONE single defensive player of the year award?
How can the biggest, most powerful center NOT dominate on defense?

8. Can Shaq create his own shots? No, he establishes position, gets the ball, then basically overpowers people. Kobe shoots from all area, left or right handed, in all kinds of awkward situations, AND makes those shots


given all that, Shaq's not really that dominant, is he?

If Kobe had the size, he'd be the #1 player of all time, b/c he has the passion, desire, and lust for greatness, and he works in the off-season to add to his game.

Can YOU say the same thing about Shaq in his career?

minew_m
02-27-2004, 04:18 PM
A lot of Shaq's size is muscle, so he does have some determination. He has to work out to put on some of that! Also I remember last year Phil was saying that Shaq was staying after every practice and shooting more foul shots. He does want to get better.
As for your point about if Kobe was that size, he wouldn't be the #1 player all time for sure! He would have to match up with other centers and be double and even triple teamed everytime he does got the ball.
You talked about him getting better at 3's. He's actually worse than last year! He's shooting 35.8% and last year it was over 38%. Shaq is also a great passer. He averages about 1 less assist per game than Kobe and Kobe is a guard! Can Kobe block shots? No. Can Kobe rebound? He can, but there are others at his position that are better.
Shaq also shoots 58% from the field. Granted they are little 8 foot shots but most of those shots are in double and sometimes triple teams. He also plays against many centers that have a serious height advantage over him and he still manages to get the ball in the bucket. He even manages to get a double double almost every night.
Another plus for having him on the team is that everyone is scared of him. How many players actually challenge him one on one? I have seen many times this year where players drive to the basket but then pass it off right away becuase they see Shaq Diesel in the lane.
Another great stat you can look at is their effiency rating. That just totals the players three major areas (rebounds, assists, and points). Shaqs is 23.9 and Kobe's is 21.95. They are both great players, dont get me wrong. I would love to have either one on my team. It just depends how you look at it when you state which player is better.

minew_m
02-27-2004, 04:19 PM
Also about defense Shaq was a Two-time NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection (1999-2000, 2000-01).

podstock
02-27-2004, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Also about defense Shaq was a Two-time NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection (1999-2000, 2000-01).
you made good points in your post, and I will leave it at that.

but this post shows you about Shaq's desire

how can someone who is taller (except for Yao, and a couple of non-existent centers like Manute Bol, George Muhresan) and more powerful than anyone else NOT be on the NBA All Defensive FIRST team?

Kobe plays defense, and you cannot deny that. His size prevents him from being totally dominant, but he does try to get the most of his ability.

How is it that Shaq is NOT able to be on the FIRST NBA All Defensive for most of his career, and, just as importantly, NOT WIN 1-2 NBA All Defensive Player of the Year award during his 12-13 yers in the league?

minew_m
02-27-2004, 04:36 PM
I cannot deny the fact that Kobe does play defense. The fact that Shaq never won a NBA All Defensive player of the year award really surprised me at first when I thought about it. Then I thought about all the great players that won it during his era. Hakeem (for numerous years), Dikembe (he was basically an only defensive player), Payton for his steals, most recently Ben Wallace has been dominiating, and even Alonzo won one I believe. Those are some pretty amazing players, and most of them where in their prime, to play against. It seemed that the 1990s were dominated by Hakeem and Dikembe. It's hard to make first team with those players in their prime.

minew_m
02-27-2004, 04:48 PM
By the way, I just noticed congrats on post #10,000 podstock. That is quite an accomplishment!!!

skyracer3
02-27-2004, 09:51 PM
Geez, pod. Congrats on 10,000!!!!! you're a post ™™™™™. haha

podstock
02-27-2004, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
It's hard to make first team with those players in their prime.

that is what greatness is all about.

if you are better than the rest (aka MDE, Most Dominant Ever), then you must win the awards.

winners never make excuses.

Think Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky - folks who've played in our era.

These 3 played above and beyond everyone else, bar none.

that is what greatness is about, that is what makes legends.

Jerry Rice was the 3rd WR picked in the 1st round. Scouts said he was too slow, despite the multitudinous records he set at NCAA level. In SF in his rookie season, he was booed unmercifully for dropping passes.

but he rose above it all to claim almost every WR record in regular season, playoffs, and Super Bowl.

Even at 41 y/o, with the Bucs destroying the Raiders in the Super Bowl, Rice STILL managed to get loose to catch a TD pass.

Greatness means never having to make excuses.

podstock
02-27-2004, 10:48 PM
Minew, Harris...

hehehehe, thanks

I love this site!

minew_m
02-28-2004, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by podstock
that is what greatness is all about.

if you are better than the rest (aka MDE, Most Dominant Ever), then you must win the awards.

winners never make excuses.

Think Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky - folks who've played in our era.

These 3 played above and beyond everyone else, bar none.

that is what greatness is about, that is what makes legends.

Jerry Rice was the 3rd WR picked in the 1st round. Scouts said he was too slow, despite the multitudinous records he set at NCAA level. In SF in his rookie season, he was booed unmercifully for dropping passes.

but he rose above it all to claim almost every WR record in regular season, playoffs, and Super Bowl.

Even at 41 y/o, with the Bucs destroying the Raiders in the Super Bowl, Rice STILL managed to get loose to catch a TD pass.

Greatness means never having to make excuses.


That is all true. But just because he has never won a defensive player of the year award doesn't mean he can't be the most dominant ever (I think he definitely isn't though, Wilt is). Kobe had never won a scoring title (Shaq 2), Kobe has never been voted Finals MVP (Shaq 3), Kobe has never led the league in field goal percentage (Shaq 5), Kobe has never won a regular season MVP (Shaq 1). Still Kobe is a great player and still ranks as one of the best ever even at his young age. You just can't go by one aspect of the game to go by the most dominant player. Its a combination of things. Dikembe was defensive player of the year award many times. You can't say he was one of the most dominant players ever for sure though. He only scored about 10 or 11 points per game during his career. He couldn't even pass the ball. His turnovers doubled his assists. He wasn't an offensive threat. His game was one sided. It's really a combination of things, and in my opinion, Shaq is the most dominant in the game right now. Then I would rank Garnett, Duncan, and then Kobe.

skyracer3
02-28-2004, 02:11 PM
Shaq IS the most dominate player in the league!!! But only for the first 3 quarters of the game. lol. Once the 4th quarter rolls around, hes is a 300 pound invisible free throw clanking joke. I think this off season he should work on his shots outside of 8ft instead of gaining weight and watching TV all day. If he can consistenly hit a 8ft hook shot and makes 65% of his free throws...then I could consider him the most dominate player.

And all those stats you mentioned (the scoring title, mvp, and all that), Kobe could win all those next year if parts from Shaq and plays on his own. And if Kobe leaves...Shaqs stats will go down because he will be forced to put up more shots of difficulty and more teams wil double teams him because there is no fear of Kobe burning them from the perimeter.

minew_m
02-28-2004, 02:27 PM
But if Kobe does leave then another star player will enter LA with all the money that they will have free. If anything Shaqs stats may go up because he will have more opportunities to shoot. As for Shaq not working in the offseason, I beg to differ. I believe he hired T-macs or something like that personal trainer and did work to get in shape over the summer. So he doesn't sit around and watch TV all day, lol!

skyracer3
02-28-2004, 02:47 PM
haha yea i was joking about that part. But I do know one thing. A couple offseasons back he hired this Jewish free throw coach to train him and it worked!! He was shooting 61% last season. So what did Shaq do this last offseason??? HE FIRED HIM! haha.
I think its because he made Shaq work too hard . lol

minew_m
02-28-2004, 02:49 PM
lol, could be. Or maybe he had enough of that other personal trainer that he hired. He probably didn't want two. That would be very expensive for him. He might not have been able to afford it, lol jk!

podstock
02-28-2004, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Kobe had never won a scoring title (Shaq 2), Kobe has never been voted Finals MVP (Shaq 3), Kobe has never led the league in field goal percentage (Shaq 5), Kobe has never won a regular season MVP (Shaq 1). Still Kobe is a great player and still ranks as one of the best ever even at his young age. You just can't go by one aspect of the game to go by the most dominant player. Its a combination of things. Dikembe was defensive player of the year award many times. You can't say he was one of the most dominant players ever for sure though. He only scored about 10 or 11 points per game during his career. He couldn't even pass the ball. His turnovers doubled his assists. He wasn't an offensive threat. His game was one sided. It's really a combination of things, and in my opinion, Shaq is the most dominant in the game right now. Then I would rank Garnett, Duncan, and then Kobe.

first, Kobe isn't going to win a scoring title until he goes to a team where he's the main guy (Iverson is the ONLY scorer on Philly; T-Mac is the ONLY scorer on Orlando, etc)....as long as Shaq's around, Kobe's not going to get 30 points.

But, last year, he had 8-10 straight games where he scored 40+ points --- we all know he can score.

Second, offense doesn't win games, it's defense. Otherwise, the Mavs would've won the title the last 3 years. So, it's more important to have good offense and great defense.

Third, I don't doubt that Shaq is the most dominant....but, how come he can't go grab 15 rebounds? or block 2-3 shots? The answer is that he doesn't come to play at 100% effort.

Announcers and media in LA have often disparaged Kobe for ball-hogging (much like the Bulls media used to say about Jordan)... but NO ONE, I repeat, NO ONE, has EVER said that Kobe doesn't play at 100%

podstock
02-28-2004, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by skyracer3
Shaq IS the most dominate player in the league!!! But only for the first 3 quarters of the game. lol. Once the 4th quarter rolls around, hes is a 300 pound invisible free throw clanking joke. I think this off season he should work on his shots outside of 8ft instead of gaining weight and watching TV all day. If he can consistenly hit a 8ft hook shot and makes 65% of his free throws...then I could consider him the most dominate player.

And all those stats you mentioned (the scoring title, mvp, and all that), Kobe could win all those next year if parts from Shaq and plays on his own. And if Kobe leaves...Shaqs stats will go down because he will be forced to put up more shots of difficulty and more teams wil double teams him because there is no fear of Kobe burning them from the perimeter.

very astute observations.

As has been shown in the past several seasons, when the game is close, Shaq is useless. When you play the elite teams, they will gladly foul Shaq, let him make 1 of 2 at best, and then go score on the other end.

getting 2 points on offense, and giving up 1 on defense, will ALWAYS win you games.

if Kobe were on the LA Clippers, Miami Heat, etc, he'd have no problem averaging 33-35 points. Hell, in the past 6 games, Kobe averaging 33.5 points since All Star break.

podstock
02-28-2004, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
As for Shaq not working in the offseason, I beg to differ. I believe he hired T-macs or something like that personal trainer and did work to get in shape over the summer. So he doesn't sit around and watch TV all day, lol!

are you SERIOUS?

in the 2000-2003 years, SHAQ SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT HIS SUMMERS ARE FOR HIM.

SHAQ SPECIFICALLY HAS STATED HE USES THE 1ST HALF OF THE NBA SEASON TO GET INTO SHAPE.

Yes, this past off-season, he did hire a trainer and did appear in camp in shape....

you know why this happened?

B/C SHAQ IS NEARING THE END OF HIS CONTRACT, AND WANTS ANOTHER 5-7 YEAR CONTRACT FOR $27-30M EACH YEAR

Kobe improves EVERY year; Kobe works out in the offseason religiously...not just so he can make more money, but b/c he wants to be considered the best ever.

Why doesn't Shaq have this desire that Kobe / Jerry Rice have?

minew_m
02-28-2004, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by podstock

Second, offense doesn't win games, it's defense. Otherwise, the Mavs would've won the title the last 3 years. So, it's more important to have good offense and great defense.

Third, I don't doubt that Shaq is the most dominant....but, how come he can't go grab 15 rebounds? or block 2-3 shots? The answer is that he doesn't come to play at 100% effort.




There are some points that I agree with. Kobe can score and he does play hard every night. Shaq though does get 11 rebounds a game which is in the top 10 in the NBA. He also does average about 2 and a half blocks per game, which is again in the top ten or top 5 (can't remember exactly where). That is pretty domniant to me. Also about the comment that you made about defense that wins games. If that were so the Pistons would have won the championship for the past 3 or 4 years. It takes a balance of both. I don't really think offense or defense is more important that on another.

minew_m
02-28-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by podstock
are you SERIOUS?

in the 2000-2003 years, SHAQ SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT HIS SUMMERS ARE FOR HIM.

SHAQ SPECIFICALLY HAS STATED HE USES THE 1ST HALF OF THE NBA SEASON TO GET INTO SHAPE.

Yes, this past off-season, he did hire a trainer and did appear in camp in shape....

you know why this happened?

B/C SHAQ IS NEARING THE END OF HIS CONTRACT, AND WANTS ANOTHER 5-7 YEAR CONTRACT FOR $27-30M EACH YEAR

Kobe improves EVERY year; Kobe works out in the offseason religiously...not just so he can make more money, but b/c he wants to be considered the best ever.

Why doesn't Shaq have this desire that Kobe / Jerry Rice have?


Shaq does want to get better. I don't remember Kobe working out as much as he did this summer either. He never came into a season in this great condition before. His contract is comming up to an end too so that could be a reason.....

podstock
02-28-2004, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Shaq does want to get better. I don't remember Kobe working out as much as he did this summer either. He never came into a season in this great condition before. His contract is comming up to an end too so that could be a reason.....

do you go to the following websites:

www.latimes.com
www.ocregister.com
www.dailynews.com

these are the sites for newspapers covering the LA Lakers

I read this site daily

That's how I follow the events of Kobe, Shaq, etc... in regular season and in off-season

that's how I know Kobe works out in the offseason

a player doesn't automatically improve year to year without working on his game in the off-season. There are exceptions - Michael Jordan used to say he never practiced in the summer

minew_m
02-28-2004, 07:03 PM
I don't usually don't go to those sites, but may start now, lol. I usually just go to espn.com and nba.com for my news. I know for sure that a player doesn't improve automatically. I also play basketball and during the summer I take shots every day and do some conditioning. There are some athletes that say they don't practice in the summer and are still good --- those are the ones I despise, lol!

podstock
02-28-2004, 10:29 PM
2/28/04:

I was at work, so didn't get a chance to see the Lakers beat the Wiz (damn, I hate it when my colleagues blurt out the score!)

I have it taped, so I'll be watching it later -

Needless to say,

Kobe got a triple double
Shaq got 29 points

it was a close game until the Lakers blew them out in the 4th quarter.

Slava also played his best game in a few weeks.

not much to say for now

Lakers play NJ Nets tomorrow at 3 pm PST

Lakers are atrocious in 2nd game of a back-to-back; but the Nets also played Sat night, so that oughtta help out a bit.

Lakers play 4 road games (Washington being the 1st. If they beat NJ tomorrow, Lakers have a chance to go 4-0. Surprisingly, Utah beat Sacramento at Arco yesterday, so, Lakers are now back to within 5 games.

I do not think Lakers will catch Sacramento...but Spurs will be missing Duncan for the next 5 games, including Sat night's home game vs the Nuggets.

Lakers have a shot at the #3 spot, which means they won't have to meet the Kings until the West Conference Finals.

And they still have a shot at the #2 spot, which MN occupies

minew_m
02-28-2004, 10:42 PM
One of the best players at the end was Luke. Went 4-4 with 9 pts. He's gonna be a great player! Overall the Lakers shot darn good. It wasn't televised here so I had to watch the play by play on the computer!

skyracer3
02-29-2004, 03:49 AM
The game was close until 5 minutes left in the fourth quarter. It went from a 5 point lead to a 18 point lead in a span of like 3 minutes..Shaq had some MONSTER dunks towards the end of the game, and walton hit a couple shots down the stretch.

BUT espn.com has an article about gary payton not very happy right now, and may consider leaving after this season:

Payton Frustrated (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=aldridge_david&id=1746975)

podstock
02-29-2004, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
One of the best players at the end was Luke. Went 4-4 with 9 pts. He's gonna be a great player! Overall the Lakers shot darn good. It wasn't televised here so I had to watch the play by play on the computer!

I agree with you!!

I cannot believe how much Phil Jackson is using Luke at critical moments in the ballgame

If this game can improve on his midrange jumpers, he's gonna have a 12-15 year career.

Right now, his passing eye is absolutely amazing.

you know, with all the injuries the Lakers went through this season, 3 folks benefited most:

Luke Walton
Kareem Rush
Brian Cook

Phil's playing these guys much more than he normally would.

Of course, on the other hand, Devean has shown that he can't handle being a starter just yet. His weakness is ball handling and stopping on the fly.

When Devean is able to set himself, and no one is near him, he is a very consistent shooter, even from 3-point line. But, play defense against him, and this game will:

1. fumble the ball and turn it over
2. throw up wild shots that almost break the back board

podstock
02-29-2004, 11:33 PM
2/29/04: Lakers 100-83 over the Nets

wowowow!!

Lakers played the 2nd of a back-to-back, against a team over 0.500, on the road, and this is the result!!!!

holy farking cow!

I am at work, so will be watching this when I get home..

but, the game really wasn't close, as Gary Payton helped the Lakers to an early 9 point 1st quarter lead, and the Lakers cruised from there, as the bench players really did their job, with 42 points!

Kobe had a mere 11 points. He needed 4 more boards for a 2nd triple double in a row, but sat out the 4th.

Shaq only had about 17-19 points

Payton did most of his damage in the 1st quarter.

I cannot believe the defense (or is it the NJ Net's inept offense? or perhaps a combo) the Lakers displayed today!!

Lakers are now 2-0 on this 4-game road trip.

Next up is Tues at Atlanta (Kobe goes to court, and may make it back by halftime to play)

Wed is the 2nd of a back-to-back, this time at Houston, which has beaten Lakers soundly in the past 2 meetings this year.

If I were the Lakers, I'd have Kobe rest and go to Houston, rather than flying to play Atlanta after a heavy day in court.

If the Lakers cannot beat the lowly Hawks (who have no one, now that Shareef has been traded to Portland) with 2 freaking Hall of Famers, they deserve to lose.

minew_m
03-01-2004, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by podstock
2/29/04: Lakers 100-83 over the Nets

wowowow!!

Lakers played the 2nd of a back-to-back, against a team over 0.500, on the road, and this is the result!!!!

I cannot believe the defense (or is it the NJ Net's inept offense? or perhaps a combo) the Lakers displayed today!!

If I were the Lakers, I'd have Kobe rest and go to Houston, rather than flying to play Atlanta after a heavy day in court.

If the Lakers cannot beat the lowly Hawks (who have no one, now that Shareef has been traded to Portland) with 2 freaking Hall of Famers, they deserve to lose.


I think it was a little bit of both good defense by the Lakers and poor offense by the Nets. I cannot believe I am saying this but the Lakers did far better on their foul shots. I belive the Lakers were something like 17-21 from the line while the Nets were only around 60%.
Shaq only played about 30 minutes and still grabbed down 14 boards. He should as Collins was on him. As for defense, the bench did quite well for the Lakers. Cook had 2 blocks, Grant had 2 steals and a block, and Devean George even had a block.
Great game for Kobe too. I was pulling for him to get a triple double in back to back games but Phil only played him a little over 30 minutes too. I guess after that Payton incident where he criticized Jackson for not playing him enough, Phil decided to listen and rotated everyone. Most of the bench even got around 20 min. a piece. I guess it was easy to do though since they had a lead throughout the game. They had a 27 point lead at one point.
Kobe should rest as they visit Atlanta. I think the Lakers will do jut fine in his absense. Rest up for Yao and the Rockets!

podstock
03-02-2004, 02:36 PM
Agree with you, Minew

I cannot believe how incredibly well Steve Francis and the Rockets play vs. the Lakers --- they look like All-stars.

Francis even admitted he plays harder when the Lakers are in town.

Boy, the Rockets should fine Francis, b/c they are paying him a King's ransom, and he's not playing all out all the time?

If the Rockets play against everyone the way the play vs. the Lakers, they'd be in the #3 or #4 spot

podstock
03-02-2004, 11:34 PM
3/2/04 update: Hawks win, 94-93 on a last second jumper, with 12 seconds left.....

Lakers had the ball, Payton missed the jumper. Shaq rebounded, and missed the tip-in; George missed the tip-in; Shaq again got the rebound, missed the tip-in, and that was that

f*ck!!

how the f*ck do we lose to a team with nobodies?!?!?!?

with Kobe out, Shaq should've dominated, scoring over 35 points.

Shaq claims that he himself could win 50-60 games, but that he needs Kobe to win the title.

I suppose the Hawks game is one of the other games that he could lose

how the f*ck do the Lakers play like this?!?!

and tomorrow, they play a back-to-back at houston, where Steve "I don't play hard, unless it's against the Lakers" Francis and Yao Ming have dominated the Lakers in the first 2 meetings

skyracer3
03-03-2004, 01:32 PM
I would of put $10,000 on the Lakers winning last night...

Pathetic performance.

podstock
03-03-2004, 09:51 PM
yep, absolutely PATHETIC

Shaq claims he could win 55-60 games by himself

lololol

he played like sh*t last night.

if you can't dominate the weaklings, how do you dominate the strong teams?

podstock
03-04-2004, 01:31 AM
3/3/04 update: Lakers 96-93

and who hits the winning shot in a tight game near the end of the game?

KOBE BRYANT - a 12-footer over Yao Ming (that's right, over Yao!)

Lakers played like sh*t most of the game...but somehow came alive in the 4th.

Shaq had a sh*tty free throwing game again, going 2-13. holy f*ck - I could do this!

not sure how Rockets lost this game, even with double digit lead throughout 2nd and 3rd quarter.

sure helps to have Kobe - 18 points, 8 boards, and 13 assists!!!!

Shaq had 28 points, and a lousy 7 boards.
Payton had 14
Slava had 13

Fox and George again were useless, as Phil Jackson begins to use Luke Walton more and more in the clutch time

next up is home vs. Seattle Friday

Lakers tied for 4th with Dallas (Dallas plays San Antonio Friday)

Lakers and San Antonio have 21 losses each (Lakers are 3-0 vs. San Antonio)

minew_m
03-04-2004, 10:08 AM
Shaq did lead the charge in the 4th quarter though. Shaq only had 7 boards but 5 blocks to go along with that (even one on Yao). It seemed everytime Shaq got the ball he'd put it in the hoop. He...

podstock
03-04-2004, 12:53 PM
boy, that Yao, if he keeps improving, will take the Rockets to the Finals, a la Akeem Olajuwon

if he consistently hits the hook shots, and the mid-range jumpers, it's over for the other teams

7'6", ability to shoot hook shots and perimeter shots, as well as free throws.......that's a deadly set of combination!!

Yao is a free agent in about 3 years - perhaps he'll want to come to LA to play with Kobe

hheheheheheh

minew_m
03-04-2004, 01:08 PM
All I'm wondering about is Steve "Franchise". Looks like he's no longer the "Franchise" player in Houston. He can't be all that happy with him no longer being the go to guy on offense. I'd be surprised if he stays at the end of his contract.

podstock
03-04-2004, 08:51 PM
Francis is another Penny Hardaway / Stephon Marbury

guys with lots of talent, but an even bigger ego.............

just that fact that Francis says "...I play even harder when we meet the Lakers" tells you everything you need to know about him.

The great ones - Magic, Bird, Jordan, Kobe - play hard all the time; it's just that when the spotlight is on (ex: playoffs), they play even harder....but they don't take nights off

podstock
03-06-2004, 02:33 PM
3/5/04 update: Lakers 99-91 over the Sonics

but the more crucial thing is Kobe Bryant

with barely 54 seconds into the game, Evans set a moving pick, Kobe's arm got tangled with Rashard Lewis, and Kobe's shoulder collided with Evans, resulting in immediate pain, and a dangling arm.

Kobe immediately went into the locker room to be examined further, then about 20-25 minutes later, he was taken to Centinela hospital for an MRI - this is NOT good news, as the trainers must be suspecting soft tissue damage (although broken bones can also be visible on MRI)

if you suspect broken bones - you take Xrays (cheaper and faster)

if you suspect muscle / ligament / tendon damage, you go for MRI

I am anxiously awaiting word that Kobe has a sprain, but nothing broken. He's tough, and he can come back quick...but not if the shoulder is subluxed.

meanwhile, the Lakers played great for the game and/or the Sonics didn't play as well. The Sonics are a perfect team for Shaq to do well against - they are like a donut: nothing in the middle.

With no center/big man, the Sonics got eaten alive by Shaq, who got 32 points, and an ASTOUNDING 12-18 from free throw. That's right, 12-18 --- holy f*ck!! Luke Walton was on the court in the 4th quarter -- very rare for Phil Jackson to be playing rookies at all, much less in the 4th, but boy, Luke is really really good (and his shooting will improve)

Lakers lead through 1st-3rd quarters before the Sonics started climbing back to tie the game at 88, with about 4 minutes to go. But clutch shooting by Kareem Rush (at the start of the season, I thought he was a piece of sh*t - unable to pass, defend) in the last several minutes of the ball game helped put the game away.

boy, Rush has improved tremendously!!! Unlike his brother JaRon (who went to UCLA at about the same time I did in mid 1990s), Rush stayed for 3 years and refined his shooting touches.

JaRon left after 2 years for the NBA, never showed a consistent shooting touch, was a defensive liability, and never made an NBA club - he's now living in an apartment, having failed to do well overseas.

Meanwhile, little brother Kareem stayed 3 years (even though he was good enough to leave after 2 years), and was a 1st round draft pick by Toronto, dealt to Lakers in a trade that same draft day. Despite the defensive liabilities, the Lakers knew they had a good, consistent shooter and kept Kareem. Now, in his 3rd year, Rush is making good!!! Unlike his idiot brother, JaRon, Kareem now has millions to retire upon.

ok, sorry for the soap box, but had JaRon stayed to refined his skills, he would've help UCLA get to the Final Four, as well as help himself in the NBA draft. We, the alumni of UCLA, never forget someone who's a mercenary!! JaRon came to UCLA, expected to be treated like royalty, and NEVER improved one damn bit during the 2 years -- couldn't play defense, wouldn't play defense, but was a very athletic player with good range shooting. JaRon thought his athleticism would get him to the NBA

we knew it wouldn't....not after 2 years.

JaRon left for the money, left our basketball team without a star player, and I say good riddance to the f*cker!

stalking_WOLF_21
03-06-2004, 02:37 PM
man i hope kobe is all right because he's the only resion i watch the lakers and with him out the lakers won't be fun to watch in the playoffs

minew_m
03-06-2004, 02:40 PM
Lol, boy I almost forgot about JaRon Rush. He was truely playing for the wrong reasons. Anyways great game by the Lakers. I'm still pissed off about the Kobe incident. Now Malone is about ready to come back and Kobe may leave. They really need Kobe for the playoffs so I hope it isn't as serious as everyone thinks. I agree about Kareem. He is turning out to be one heck of a player. Shaq didn't look like he was "giving it his all" last night. Walton outrebounded him with the minutes he got. Shaq did great on help defense this game. It showed in the book too. He got 4 blocks, but like I said before didn't do that well rebounding getting only 8 boards. Amazing free throw shooting. Can't wait for them to play NJ. Hopefully Kidd will still be out too.........

podstock
03-06-2004, 05:01 PM
boy, Shaq had a workout Friday with his shooting coach, and it sure helped his free throw shooting - that was a beauty to see him hit the foul shots!!

minew_m
03-06-2004, 05:05 PM
Hopefully now he can keep it up!!! Especially with the playoffs rolling right around the corner.

stalking_WOLF_21
03-06-2004, 05:37 PM
shaq would average like 99.5 points per game if made some stupid free frowa

minew_m
03-06-2004, 10:01 PM
Well looks like Kobe is sidelined..... for a month!!! He'll probably be comming back the last week of the regular season.

podstock
03-06-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
shaq would average like 99.5 points per game if made some stupid free frowa

if Shaq made about 67% of his free throws (that's 2 out 3 free throws), he'd probably average 30 points a game

podstock
03-06-2004, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Well looks like Kobe is sidelined..... for a month!!! He'll probably be comming back the last week of the regular season.

(SIGH)...yep, I heard that too.

Here's hoping the MRI shows only a strain, and nothing more. That way, he could possibly be back by April 1st.

If Karl really is fine and healthy, we should be able to beat everyone (except Sac) with 3 Hall of Famers

even Minnesota doesn't look invincible

stalking_WOLF_21
03-06-2004, 11:16 PM
come on it shouldn't take 3 supper stars to win a champion ship

podstock
03-07-2004, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
come on it shouldn't take 3 supper stars to win a champion ship

hmmmm, Minnesota hasn't done much these past since its existence. Now, with the addition of Latrell, Cassell, to go with Wally, and adding in Garnett -- these are not exactly average players. And where are the Wolves? In 2nd place, and looking like this will be the first time they EVER get out of the 1st round.

it takes stars to win the title.

Even Jordan couldn't win the title until Pippen, Horace Grant, Rodman, etc. came along to help him.

Boston had Bird / McHale / Parish / Ainge
Lakers of the 1980s had Magic / Kareem / Worthy / Scott

you don't win the title with a bunch of average players

minew_m
03-07-2004, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by podstock
hmmmm, Minnesota hasn't done much these past since its existence. Now, with the addition of Latrell, Cassell, to go with Wally, and adding in Garnett -- these are not exactly average players. And where are the Wolves? In 2nd place, and looking like this will be the first time they EVER get out of the 1st round.

it takes stars to win the title.

Even Jordan couldn't win the title until Pippen, Horace Grant, Rodman, etc. came along to help him.

Boston had Bird / McHale / Parish / Ainge
Lakers of the 1980s had Magic / Kareem / Worthy / Scott

you don't win the title with a bunch of average players

Well said. That's all the "Laker Haters" have been say, that it shouldn't take that many hall of famers to win Championships. Just look at the last 10 years and take a look at who won the finals. They all have several future hall of famers on their teams.

podstock
03-07-2004, 07:45 PM
3/7/04 update: 94-88 Lakers beat the Nets

boy, what a game!!!!

over 20 lead changes as both teams played well (or poorly, depending on your point of view); then, starting in the 3rd quarter, the Nets gathered up a 9-point lead after leading at halftime by 2

then the Lakers promptly woke up, reduced that lead to 3 at the end of the 3rd. Then, with Shaq at the bench to rest for the start of the 4th, the bench helped the Lakers go ahead for good in the early parts of the 4th.

Nets shot horribly in the latter 3rd and all of the 4th, otherwise, they'd have won the game. Lakers played a good game, but this game was determined mostly by the Nets inability to hit their open jumpers.

Shaq had his 2nd FANTASTIC game, with 32 points, 9 boards, 2 assists, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, 10-14 from free throw line, following up on his 12-18 vs. the Sonics this past friday. Boy, that workout with his shooting coach really helped Shaq. by the way, Shaq went through the season, insisting he'd figured out the foul shooting on his own.....but when you start shooting 30% from the charity stripe for a month, you start looking for help if you're smart

Payton had 18 points, 9 baoards, but only 2 assists, and shot a lousy 1-5 in free throws. Boy, he's pretty bad foul shooter this year for the Lakers!

Devean George finally had 2 consecutive good games, 8 points, 2 boards, 3 assists in about 26 minutes

Rick Fox is useless.....perhaps it's the fact he just came back from a foot injury, but this guy is 2 steps slow, and can't shoot, going 15% from 3-point area (he used to be 32%) and 31% overall from FG %

The rookies Walton and Cook did fairly well, with 6 points each, and contributing boards and assists.

Rush had an OK game, with 8 points

overall...this was a game that the Nets could've won had they made open jumpers (in the NBA,. you are expected to make open jumpers). Jason Kidd sat out the game to rest an injury

Martin had 17 for the Nets
Jefferson had 21
Kittles had 19

but most of the points came before the 4th

With Dallas losing to Houston earlier today, Lakers now 1 full game ahead of Dallas.

But, San Antonio has won 3 of 4 without Duncan (wowowoww!!) and remains 1/2 game ahead of Lakers

minew_m
03-07-2004, 07:52 PM
Great game for the Lakers. Shaq showed his dominant side again. I hope he can continue playing like this for a while!!!

stalking_WOLF_21
03-07-2004, 09:31 PM
well come on theres 4 people on there team only garnett can conpar to the lakers four and thats kg to shaq/kobe/payton/malone then they have good players off the bench

minew_m
03-07-2004, 09:33 PM
What about Cassell? Spree? Wally?

podstock
03-07-2004, 10:17 PM
agree with Minew

But, I will agree with Wolf that it's not comparable.

The Wolves can't stop Shaq and Kobe

The Lakers can't stop KG, but they do have the personnel to shut down Latrell (put Kobe on him), Cassell (Payton) and Wally (Devean George, Rick Fox, and Bryon Russell)

podstock
03-09-2004, 12:42 AM
3/10/04:

this is absolute bull™™™™!!

Lakers are up by 2 with 4 minutes to go in 4th; then on an offensive rebound, Shaq gets it, slam dunks, and on the way down, his massive arm clocks Kirilenkov on the head, and the goddam ref gives Shaq a technical (he got one just a few minutes earlier for face taunting), and kicks Shaq out

you've got to be kidding me>?!?!?!?!

motherfucker!!!!!!

No Karl
No Kobe
and in the crucial moments, with Lakers up by 2, the goddam ™™™™™™™ referee kicks Shaq out b/c his arm smacks Kirilenkov on the way down from a slam dunk?????

after that, the Jazz outscore the Lakers to win the ball game

goddammmmmm it!!

I hate conspiracy theories, but I really do think the refs are out to get the Lakers.

Kobe gets smacked every time he drives to the basket, yet he rarely gets a foul called

But, you've got to give the Jazz credit; they played great the first 3 quarters, as Shaq was in foul trouble the whole game.

Lots of folks say Shaq is one of the most dominating players in the game.

hahahahahhaha.... this ™™™™™™™ piece of ™™™™ has 2 moves:

1. bulldozes his way over smaller players (hell, I could do this if I played against people smaller than me)
2. shot 3 to 5 foot jump shots

when his bulldozing results in fouls being called, or when his shots aren't falling, it's over for the Lakers

And that's what happened in this game, as Shaq got 3 offensive fouls, and was basically useless.

Unlike Kobe, who can shoot mid-range shots, dribble drive penetration, 3-point shots, free throws, and plays defense

Shaq basically does 2 things, and that's about it.

Hell, even Yao Ming can shoot inside, has a smooth outside 15-17 foot shot, and can shoot free throws very reliably.

what a ™™™™™™™ bull™™™™ game, one that Shaq should've controlled.

So far in the 2nd half of the All Star break, Kobe missed the Atlanta game and Utah game, and Lakers lost both.

Shaq talks ™™™™ about how he could win 55-60 games by himself.

well....if you can't beat the bad teams, how do you beat the Sacramento Kings and Timberwolves??

that's like saying your car can't out-race a bicyclist, but it can out-race a Ferrari

as for the game stats, it really is irrelevant.

Gary played like crap
Shaq played like crap
Utah played great

Bonds_25
03-09-2004, 12:46 AM
Seems like the Lakers are doomed this year, all the injuries to their star players night in and night out is amazing. Gonna be a tough road to the finals for LA this year, seems like they are cursed or something.

But hey I got no problem with that :), just gives the Kings a better chance but I would love to see a Kings-Lakers Western Conference final, had em beat last time if it weren't for Horry and our missed free throws.

podstock
03-09-2004, 12:52 AM
Originally posted by Bonds_25
But hey I got no problem with that :), just gives the Kings a better chance but I would love to see a Kings-Lakers Western Conference final, had em beat last time if it weren't for Horry and our missed free throws.

In that series....the Kings got a gift call in game 5, and Mike Bibby made the free throws to clinch the game 5.

hey, if my Lakers don't win, I'll be pulling for the Kings.

They have paid their dues; they've suffered tough losses, and they deserve to win the title.

I just hate seeing Webber get a ring.

B/c this ™™™™™™ took thousands of dollars from boosters while at Michigan, he helped demolish that program (along with violations from other folks)...

now that Webber has a $100M contract, why isn't he donating several millions back to the university program that he helped bring down??

Bonds_25
03-09-2004, 12:56 AM
I know quite a few Kings fans who do not like Webber, including myself. I think he is a very good player and we need him to go all the way but he is the most overpaid player in sports outside of Alex Rodriguez. Webber has not been a great player under pressure, just look at his phantom timeout play at Michigan. Although he has faced some tough injuries the last few years he comes off like a wimp at times. The thing that bugs me most is he cant hit free throws, if only Peja could go to the line for him every time like if Kobe could go to the line for Shaq.

skyracer3
03-09-2004, 02:16 AM
Phil,
I know you havent posted tonights game recap, but I want to know your opinion on Shaqs ejection.

podstock
03-09-2004, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Bonds_25
I think he is a very good player and we need him to go all the way but he is the most overpaid player in sports outside of Alex Rodriguez.

the difference b/t Webber and A. Rod, is that A. Rod has put up the phenomenal stats for the salary he is recieving.

Webber hasn't averaged 30 points, or averaged 15 rebounds, or any other phenomenal stats that are worthy of $100M contract.

very few folks in basketball deserve $100M contracts

Shaq
Kobe
Iverson
KG

and one day, Carmelo and Lebron

T-Mac and Vince Carter are phenomenal players, but they play no defense. And that is what separates them from a Kobe

podstock
03-09-2004, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by skyracer3
Phil,
I know you havent posted tonights game recap, but I want to know your opinion on Shaqs ejection.


that was a bogus ejection.

Shaq missed a shot, got the back back in a scramble with 2-3 other Jazz players, went up for a slam dunk, and on the way down, clocked Kirilenkov on the head

Did he mean to do that? It sure looked like it. But, it was a physical game the entire game.

Referee Delany could've just called Shaq for his 5th foul, the league could've hit Shaq for $100,000, and Shaq could've been allowed to play

Lakers were up by 4, and once Shaq left, the last 3 minutes and 45 seconds belonged to the Jazz, who promptly went on an 11-0 run.

how can a referee decided the game???? Shaq followed through on a slam dunk, and intentional or not intentional, Shaq did NOT go out of his way to smack someone. Kirilenkov was right underneath the basket; Ostertag was smart enough to run away from the play.

™™™™™™™ referee!!

minew_m
03-09-2004, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by podstock
that was a bogus ejection.

Shaq missed a shot, got the back back in a scramble with 2-3 other Jazz players, went up for a slam dunk, and on the way down, clocked Kirilenkov on the head

Did he mean to do that? It sure looked like it. But, it was a physical game the entire game.

Referee Delany could've just called Shaq for his 5th foul, the league could've hit Shaq for $100,000, and Shaq could've been allowed to play

Lakers were up by 4, and once Shaq left, the last 3 minutes and 45 seconds belonged to the Jazz, who promptly went on an 11-0 run.

how can a referee decided the game???? Shaq followed through on a slam dunk, and intentional or not intentional, Shaq did NOT go out of his way to smack someone. Kirilenkov was right underneath the basket; Ostertag was smart enough to run away from the play.

™™™™™™™ referee!!

That game pissed me off!!!! If they can call a technical for Shaq just hitting someone on top of the head (and he didn't go out of his way) they should also call a technical for players who go out and basically bearhug Shaq to stop him from going to the basket. What they do to Shaq in the post area is definitely intentional. And your going to tell me that an accidental hit deserves an ejection? Total bull™™™™. The main reason I am pissed is of the position they were in. Minnesota lost to Boston and the Lakers were only 2 or 3 games behind them for second place. That could mean a world of difference in the playoffs.

podstock
03-09-2004, 08:17 PM
exactly, Minew

don't eject players unless they really are asking for it (like T-Mac kicking the basketball into the stands TWICE) or someone who bumps a referee, or someone who commits a flagrant foul that takes the player out of the game.

basketball is an emotional sport. if you don't like what a player is doing, fine his ™™™ $25,000 after the game.

don't kick him out.

™™™™™™™ Bob Delany!!!!

minew_m
03-10-2004, 07:47 PM
Hey Podstock... you ready for the game tonight? Because Kobe returns!!! Just heard that on the local news!!! Can't wait to see the game. 12 more min to go before it starts!!!

podstock
03-10-2004, 09:06 PM
oh really!?!!?!!

wowowowowow...I am just about to get off work

I sure hope Kobe plays

you know the Lakers desperately want to be #4 or higher, otherwise, they'd rest Kobe


in edit: yes!!! it's been confirmed by the Lakers announcers - Kobe is playing.

Now, the game is tape delay, so it's already playing 4:30 PM PST

but it's not televised until 5:40 pm PST

so, I am avoiding the sports websites, and will watch the tape delay without knowing who's winning

will update as soon as game is over

podstock
03-11-2004, 12:28 AM
3/10/04 update: Lakers 117-109 over the Celtics

wowowowow! as reported here by Minew, Kobe played.

and while he wasn't too effective shooting, only 4 of 16 shots for 18 points, 5 boards, but he had a game high 10 assists, along with 2-3 steals. AND played 40 minutes!!

this is what greatness is all about. Vince Carter tweaks an ankle, and misses 1 month; Kobe jams a shoulder and misses 3 games. In the past, Kobe has sprained his ankle, wrist, knee, and still came back to play earlier than expected. If he is out, you know the injury deals with something broken.

Shaq had 28 points, but just as importantly, he had 17 boards!!!! Very active tonight!

Payton had a quiet 20 points, 4 boards, 3 assists.

Luke Walton, as has been the case for the past 2-3 months, played the majority of minutes in the 4th -- Phil really like Luke, and it won't be long before Rick Fox becomes a reserve and Luke starts.

Fox probably had his best shooting game of the year, going 3-4 with 8 points, 2 three-pointers, and 1 board and 1 assist.

Kareem Rush had another TREMENDOUS shooting game, going 7 for 11, with 17 points, in only 22 minutes. Boy, that stroke of Rush reminds me of Jamaal Wilkes and Alex English ---- sooooooo smooth!!

Pierce had 30 points for the Celtics but shot poorly, going 9 for 22.

Ricky Davis, ever the hot dog, had 24 points, 7 boards and 1 assists. On one play, he got into the passing lane, stole the ball. The Lakers conceded the basket as no one got back on defense. So Davis tried a between-the-legs dunk and totally missed it. But since no Lakers came back on defense, he got the rebound, and did a windmill jam.

I can see why the Cavs unloaded Davis --- he is the epitome of a selfish player. Davis has talent, can shoot the ball. But, so can the guys in NY's Harlem District who spend their life playing street basketball. Davis is a player you do not want if you are a playoff bound team -- he'll figure out ways to get himself points at the expense of the team, and doesn't play too much defense.

Chucky Atkins also played well for the Celtics with 18 points and 9 assists.

but, in the end, with Kobe, Shaq, and Payton, there was just too many weapons.

Next up: Friday at the Target Center vs Minneapolis Timberwolves.

and it's likely Karl will be playing!!!!

ooooooh, boy, if we can win this game, it's gonna be BIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!

right now, Portland is beating MN 83-64 with 5 minutes to go in 4th quarter at Portland.

Lakers are 1/2 games behind San Antonio, who blew out Clippers as Duncan came back after missing 6 games due to thigh contusion

With this win, Lakers are 2 1/2 games behind MN, and depending on outcome of MN at Portland game, will be either 3 games back if MN wins or 2 1/2 if MN loses.

after Minnesota Friday and Chicago Saturday, Lakers are mostly at home for the rest of the time.

After Chicago, Lakers will 15 games left, and only 4 on the road!!!!

Lakers NEED to win Friday if they want a shot at 2nd place. They meet San Antonio one last time, and have 2 more meetings with Sacramento.

podstock
03-12-2004, 11:54 PM
3/12/04 update: 96-86 Wolves beat the Hapless Lakers

I am so ™™™™™™™ sick of this Zen-master ™™™™!!!

Lakers were 2 down at end of 1st quarter; Phil takes all 4 hall of famers out, and the Wolves promptly run an 8-point lead before Shaq comes back.

I do not understand?!?!??!?!?

why can't all 4 play the first 8 minutes of the 1st quarter; then Karl and Kobe sit for 2 minutes. Then at the 10 minute mark, sit Shaq and Payton.

have it staggered it so that you don't have a piece of ™™™™ like Devean George shooting 3 shots, missing them badly, and that leads to 3 Wolves buckets as they ran to an early 2nd quarter lead?

Why is Devean dribbling the ball, stopping, and shooting? it's been PROVEN that he cannot do this! Sure, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

And then there was Kobe, who was frigid - Perhaps not sexually, but he sure was colder than the Minnesota weather, being 5 degrees.

™™™™™™™ Kobe made 1 of 11 shots in the 1st half, and his shots were so incredibly tough it was ridiculous. It's one thing to shoot tough shots when the clock is running down, or when he's healthy. But, he's got a bum shoulder, and rather than passing to the other players, Kobe's taking ridiculous fallaway jumpers on a bad shoulder

™™™™ kobe!!!

™™™™ Phil Jackson and his bull™™™™ methods. These past 2 seasons have demonstrated that Jackson is one of the most over-rated coaches ever. He's made HORRIBLE coaching decisions (such as leaving all 4 hall of famers on the bench while his damn reserves throw up bricks as the other team runs up a 10 point lead)

no one can ever fault Kobe for not playing hard (I'd rather see Kobe having an off night like tonight)....b/c it's certainly better than Shaq, who plays hard 25% of the season, and takes the 3/4 of the rest of the season off.

Kobe had 16 points on a lousy 6-20 shooting, but did grab 11 boards and 5 assists

Shaq had 24 points, including 8-14 from free throws, and 13 boards -- how come Kobe almost every night gets nearly as many rebounds as Shaq?!??!!

Karl had a respectable 13 points, with 2 boards and 2 assists, on 5-6 shooting


Garnett didn't do that well, with 9-20 shooting for 20 points and 13 boards

Sprewell had 16 points, 6 boards, and 2 assists

Hudson had 17 points,

Cassell had 19 points.

Devean George was useless again tonight, going 0-4 with 0 points, with 2 boards and 1 assists

Kareem Rush was horrible, going 1-7 with 3 points.
Payton was a lousy 4-10 with 10 points 4 rebounds and 6 assists

I know they say Payton is a Hall of Famer....but having watched him this year, you'd be hard press to vote him in on his 1st year of eligibility - the guy can't shoot free throws (he's at about 68%), often turns the ball over, and he's lost 2-3 steps on defense.

oh, and one other thing....both centers of the Wolves had 2 fouls in the 1st quarter. So, do the Lakers hand the ball to Shaq in the 2nd quarter?

nooooooooooooooooooooo

the fuckers were busy taking shots left and right.

why not hand the ball to shaq and see if he can't draw further fouls or else kick it out the an open guy.

Why is Kobe taking ridiculously tough shots when he doesn't have to?!?!!?!?!?

and what the ™™™™ is Phil doing starting the 2nd and 4th quarters with 4 bench players on the court?!?!??!

I was so mad that I stop watching at halftime and checked the score on the Internet to see who was winning (game tape delayed here in CA)...and stopped watching altogether in the 2nd half.

Lakers now look like they're going to get #3 at best; at worst, they could drop out of the play off hunt.

There is absolutely no way the Lakers have the defense to contain Sacramento.

They'll be able to beat San Antonio (who only has Duncan), Dallas (who don't play defense) and Minnesota (who haven't proven they can get out of the 1st round).....

but the defense of the Lakers is just outrageously horrific!

Fox is 2 steps slow, and Peja will eat him alive (Fox used to stop Peja..but that is a distant dream)

Gary is a step slow and Bibby will eat him alive with the pick-and-roll, since Shaq sits his ™™™™™™™ fat ™™™ in the paint, refusing to rolll out on the pick-and-roll

Malone may be able to neutralize Webber

Christie can't stop Kobe; but if Kobe is cold, Kobe will stop himself

Kings have Vlade, Webber, Brad Miller, and other big men to throw at Shaq

and all the Kings have to do is stay close, then foul Shaq in the 4th, b/c he can't shoot worth ™™™™ in the 4th

oooooooh, what a horrible game tonight was.

And to make matters worse, the Lakers play Chicago tomorrow.

Chicago has beaten the Lakers 4 of the past 7 meetings these last 4 years.

So, we're probably looking at another ™™™™™™™ loss tomorrow, given that Shaq is gonna be tired, so is Karl and Payton.

Kobe will play hard as usual........

™™™™!!!!!

stalking_WOLF_21
03-13-2004, 05:08 PM
NOW WHO'S THE best lakers had all there players in last night the t-wolves were with out wally if you know what i mean

minew_m
03-13-2004, 06:57 PM
stalking_WOLF_21- Kobe was playing hurt and Karl only got a few minutes. You can start telling me "who's the best" when the T-wolves actually make it out of the first round. Until then they are just a team that can't perform under pressure.

podstock
03-13-2004, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
NOW WHO'S THE best lakers had all there players in last night the t-wolves were with out wally if you know what i mean


hahahahaha

ain't no bragging when you haven't made it out of the 1st round in your existence.

7 straight seasons in the playoffs

7 straight times getting booted home

we'll see you guys in the playoffs - if you beat us then, you can gloat

stalking_WOLF_21
03-13-2004, 07:59 PM
we will for sure you want to make a card cash bet for who ever gets farther plmk

podstock
03-13-2004, 08:09 PM
how about 50 cc?

I bet the Lakers will go farther than the Wolves

minew_m
03-13-2004, 08:15 PM
I'd take you on too if you can get some more cc!

podstock
03-13-2004, 08:44 PM
lol....smart money bets on Lakers

nothing is ever guaranteed, but when all the Lakers and all the Wolves are healthy (there's still about 1 month left before playoffs start April 17th)...who is the better team?

LAKERS

and the answer will always remain that way, until the Wolves PROVE differently

minew_m
03-13-2004, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by podstock
lol....smart money bets on Lakers

nothing is ever guaranteed, but when all the Lakers and all the Wolves are healthy (there's still about 1 month left before playoffs start April 17th)...who is the better team?

LAKERS

and the answer will always remain that way, until the Wolves PROVE differently

Exactly! I'd rather bet on a team that's won 3 out of the last 4 Championships over a team that hasn't even won a playoff series.

stalking_WOLF_21
03-13-2004, 11:13 PM
yeah i'll do that t-wolves all the way and the underdog will win the lakers can't move with four popes out there

podstock
03-14-2004, 12:18 AM
ok, it's official:

Lakers will go further in the playoffs than the wolves

50 cc bet b/t me and Stalking _wolf_21

podstock
03-14-2004, 12:31 AM
3/13/04 update: Lakers 88-81 over the lowly Bulls

this was a close game all the way until the final minute, and it shouldn't have been that way

but the Lakers had 20 turnovers, shot 38% FG, and in general played a very poor game

the good thing is, they were playing the Bulls, which means you can play semi-crap and still win. The Lakers first win at Chicago in over 3 years (that's right, 3 years!)

Kobe was the player of the game, with 35 points, 8 boards and 3 assists

Shaq had an average game, hampered by foul trouble in the 3rd quarter, and had 16 points with 15 rebounds -- now that's what I like to see!!! 15 boards shows that Shaq is active!

Malone played GREAT!!!, with 10 points, 13 boards and 7 assists in almost 40 minutes of play. This is his second game back after missing about 39 games, and he was in condition to play 40 minutes!!!

Payton really doesn't fit into the offense, but still scored 10 points, had 4 boards and 2 assists.

We need Payton more for his defense than anything else, and if he is smart, he'll shut his mouth and play defense. If he really wants the ring, he'll shut up about not having the ball enough

Lakers didn't get much out of their reserves, who scored a total of 15 points. Don't expect much out of the reserves once the playoffs roll around.

The Bulls had 5 players in double figures, lead by Eddie Curry's 16 points and 7 boards, and Kirk Heinrichs 15 points and 12 assists.

Tyson Chandler played well with 10 points and 15 boards, but he missed all 9 of his free throws. Boy, I thought Shaq sucked shooting foul shots, then I watched Chandler shoot them

the Bulls are relying on the talents of their big men Chandler and Curry, both of whom are barely 21 or so years old, and have already played 3 years. These guys are millionaires several times over, but haven't improved their game much (heck, Chandler is now a reserve!)

The only reason the Lakers won tonight is that they played the Bulls. Against the Kings, the Lakers would've lost by over 20. Not good defense, terrible shooting.

Lakers end their 4-game road trip with a disappointing 2-2 record. Had Shaq not been kicked out of the Utah game, the Lakers would've won it. The only game the Lakers stunk was the Minnesota game, but the Wolves played well, to their credit.

Lakers now have 9 straight home games, and with 16-17 games left, only have 4 more on the road.

Sacramento, San Antonio and Dallas play the majority of the remaining games on the road.

Lakers still in 4th place, 2 games ahead of Dallas, and 1 game behind San Antonio

San Antonio plays at Sacramento tomorrow, so that will most likely be SA's 23rd loss, same as the Lakers

Dallas plays at LA Clippers, so that's most likely a win

podstock
03-16-2004, 01:38 PM
3/15/04 update: 113-110 in OT, as Kobe single-handedly shuts down T-Mac in the 4th quarter (5 points scored) and puts in a team record tying 24 points on absolutely clutch mid-range jumpers, 3-point...

minew_m
03-16-2004, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Shaq had a TREMENDOUS GAME- 27 points and 23 boards. Shaq shot 9-18 foul shots. This is what Shaq should be doing 80% of the time. How can the most dominant big man NOT be able to get around 20 rebounds a game?!?!?



Don't forget, Shaq had 5 blocks too, lol. Just had to add that in.

skyracer3
03-16-2004, 07:07 PM
Was that Jordan playing in the 4th quarter??? It sure looked like it. =)

I'm not a huge fan of the Lakers, but KOBE is the MAN!

And I know Shaq had great stats last night, but he was not involved in the offense in the 4th quarter.. Suprised?? Im not.

podstock
03-17-2004, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by skyracer3
Was that Jordan playing in the 4th quarter??? It sure looked like it. =)

I'm not a huge fan of the Lakers, but KOBE is the MAN!

And I know Shaq had great stats last night, but he was not involved in the offense in the 4th quarter.. Suprised?? Im not.

and this is where Kobe should stay

if he wants the attention, the fame, the publicity, the only other place that rivals LA is NY Knicks, or LA Clippers

podstock
03-18-2004, 05:20 PM
3/17/04 update: Lakers defeat the Clippers by 3

this was a very disappointing game.

Lakers controlled the first 3 quarters, as they shot an amazing 80% in 1st quarter, and about 65% through 3 quarters.

There's a reason why the Clippers are an abysmal team - they do not play defense. No one contested any shots from a Lakers player in the 1st quarter, hence the 80% shooting from field goals.

amazing, huh? 80% for one entire quarter.

Then, the Lakers slacked off about midway through the 3rd quarter, after racking up a 17 point lead...and the Clippers played their way back to within 3, helped by the Lakers 20 turnovers.

Clippers Cory Maggette missed a last second 3-pointer to tie the ball game.

But, the more important point of this game: we just cannot play 46-48 minutes of defense.

When you struggle to beat Orlando Magic (coming from behind by 18 points), Chicago Bulls, and Clippers - the 3 worst teams in the NBA - how can you possibly say you'll play good defense vs. the Kings or Timberwolves??

what a disappointment!!

but, the Lakers won, and with Sacramento losing to Washington on the second of a back-to-back (that's 3 straight losses!!! and they end the road trip at Indiana, best team in the East), Lakers are only 4 games out of 1st place.

We won't over-take Sacramento unless they absolutely crumble; but, we do play them 2 more times (one on the 26th March, without Kobe, who's in Colorado that night).

We have a good shot at #2, as the Wolves had a rough road stretch for the remainder of the season, starting at San Antonio tonight (not sure if Duncan is playing or not)

next game: at Staples, vs the Clippers,...but this time, unlike Wed, we are the home team.

Gotta keep winning these last 14 games !!!

skyracer3
03-18-2004, 09:46 PM
Hey Phil
Who would you want the Lakers to play in the first round of the playoffs? Right now its possible that the Lakers can play the Rockets in the 2vs7 matchup. Eventhough they will probably win that series, it may tire them out to the point where they'll have a difficult 2nd round.

SingleDaddyof2
03-18-2004, 10:04 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the first 2 slots automatically go to the division winners? I believe that even if the Lakers & Kings have a better record than the Midwestern division winner, the Midwestern division winner still gets the # 2 slot. Or did they change it this season?

skyracer3
03-19-2004, 03:34 AM
You are absolutely correct. It was my mistake. I should of said the Lakers could meet Houston with the 3vs6 matchup.

stalking_WOLF_21
03-19-2004, 12:10 PM
hey i found out the pairings

rockets vs wolves

mavs vs lakers

grizzlies vs spurs

kings vs nuggets

podstock
03-19-2004, 05:03 PM
yes, you are correct....

but, there's still about 14-16 games left (depending on which team you look at), and plenty of chances for teams to move up or down.

The Wolves better start improving, b/c right now, they are 3-5 for the month of March

They have been doing great up until March......

you don't want to go into the playoffs having lost 8 out of 13, for example

podstock
03-20-2004, 02:06 PM
3/19/04 update: Lakers 106-100 over the lowly Clippers

back to back games with the Clippers in Staples Center, and the result of this second game is a 6-point margin

Quentin Richardson didn't play; Jaric didn't play, and 1 other Clipper "star" player also didn't play

and still, the Lakers barely managed to win by 6, allowing an incredible 100 points to the Clippers.

just ATROCIOUS defense, and you can't play like this against the big boys in the playoffs

Clippers had a 27-20 lead after 1 quarter, and extended it to 9 points in the 2nd quarter, let by UCLA's own Matt Barnes, whom Kobe decided he wasn't going to guard.

Matt had the game of his life (Matt graduated from UCLA last year, did a GREAT job for us, but never made an NBA team; he was in the NBDL this year, with the Long Beach Jam, before being give two 10-day contracts by the Clippers, who eventually signed him for the rest of the season - yah!!!!!) Matt had 14 points, 7 boards (probably had 3 offensive boards) and 1 assists in 32 minutes of play, as he started in the place of injured starter Quentin. Kobe took Matt lightly (I don't blame Kobe), and Matt roamed the court, getting loose balls, rebounds, and points.

Cory Maggette was very active, and showed how slow the Lakers are on defense, as he basically did what he wanted. Fortunately, he missed a ton of shots, going 7-21. He did go to the free throw line 20 times, and made 17

Elton Brand had a disappointing game, with only 15 points and 7 boards; this guy, KG, and Duncan almost always get double-doubles.

Lakers were led by Kobe, going 10-20 from the field with 27 points, 7 boards and 3 assists. He did take about 3-4 unnecessary shots when he had wide open teammates!

Shaq wasn't much of a factor, going 5-8 FG, with 18 points (including 8-16 free throws) and 10 boards; the Clippers basically had 2-3 guys on him every time

Karl had a bad shooting night, going 5-15, with 14 points and 6 boards

Payton had 16 points, 6 boards and 5 assists

Rick Fox looks like he's coming around (after missing most of the season with a broken bone in his foot), making 5-8 shots, with 10 points, 4 boards, and 6 assists....but he really really looks like he's slooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwww

George did a good job off the bench, going 4-9, with 9 points.

The bench did a great job at the start of the 2nd quarter, as they took an 11-point deficit into a 3 point deficit before Phil Jackson put back in the starters.

I was almost going insane, thinking what the hell Jackson was doing puttin 5 subs on the floor and resting all 4 hall of famers (Shaq and Payton rested with 3 minutes left in the 1st quarter) for such extended time!!!

But the bench finally played great, Slava had 4, Rush had 3, Walton had 4, all with just 2-3 shots each.

all the starters logged at least 30 minutes (Fox with 30, Kobe with game high 40)....so the starters really didn't have much of a chance to put up much in the way of stats.....

Sacramento won, coming behind from a 17-point deficit, as Bibby hit the game winning shot with 1 second left. Ron Artest was suspended from this game for throwing an elbow in the previous game; otherwise, the Pacers might have had enough defense to stop the Kings

Timberwolves also won

Lakers still 1 game out of the #2 spot; 1 game ahead of Spurs, and 4 games behind Sacramento for #1. With Kobe not playing when the Kings come here next Wed, our chances of winning that game is NIL (hell, we couldn't beat Atlanta with Kobe in court in Colorado). We play Sacramento 2 more times; if we were to win both those games and win vs. the Wolves (next Friday), there'd be a good shot to be #1.

We have 13 games left, and only 2 of those are on the road (1 is at Sacramento)......if we can go 11-2 over that stretch, we are most likely #2, as the Wolves have a killer road schedule.......

we will seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

podstock
03-22-2004, 01:10 PM
3/21/04 update: Lakers 104-103 over the Bucks in OT in a close game that shouldn't have been

Lakers scored a measly 37 points in the 2nd half, after a great first half that helped them out to a 17-point lead

boy, every time the Lakers had double digit leads, they played lackadaisical, made bad passes, threw up difficult shots, etc.

but, Shaq was a MONSTER tonight, with about 30 points and 25 rebounds and 7 block shots. Lately, Shaq has become a phenomenal force on the defensive end!! Just PHENOMENAL!!

Kobe had about 24 or so points, including a 22-foot game winner over 6'10" Keith van Horn, who had just given the Bucks a 103-102 lead with a three pointer. Kobe replied with the game winning shot with about 25 seconds left, and the Lakers played good defense, and thankfully, Michael Redd missed a three pointer as time ran out.

The Big Four played well in the first half, and so did the reserves..... until the 2nd half rolled around and the Lakers seem disinterested.

Not much to say about this game, which the Lakers should've won by over 20....

UCLA's Dan Gadzuric is playing BETTER in the NBA than he ever did in the NCAA, including a much better, smooth looking foul shot and 7-10 foot shot. Very nice to see UCLA alumni's Matt Barnes and Dan Gadzuric doing well!!!

Since the mid 1980s, I can only recall Reggie Miller of Indiana and Baron Davis of New Orleans (previously Charlotte) Hornets doing well.

Jerome Moiso left UCLA after his 2nd year, got his money after being drafted in 2nd round by Celtics, and did nothing. Not sure what he's doing now

Tyus Edney had a few years as a reserve, but didn't pan out. Edney will forever be remembered by us for that 94-foot dribble drive layup as the clock ran out for a layup that elevated UCLA through Missouri in the NCAA tourney in 1995, one in which we beat Arkansas for the title!!!

Earl Watson is a reserve still playing - I loved this guy!

minew_m
03-22-2004, 03:59 PM
An absolutely dominating game for Shaq!!! 26 boards, 7 blocks, and 31 points!!! That is amazing. I was checking his stats out and he actually had better games defensively. He once had 15 blocks in a game and 28 boards.

skyracer3
03-22-2004, 07:48 PM
I want to say something bad about Shaq, but I cant. haha.

He had a great game!

podstock
03-24-2004, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
An absolutely dominating game for Shaq!!! 26 boards, 7 blocks, and 31 points!!! That is amazing. I was checking his stats out and he actually had better games defensively. He once had 15 blocks in a game and 28 boards.

see, why can't Shaq do this for 50% (41 games) of each season?

Kobe gives it his all, even if sometimes in doing so, he ballhogs.

why can't Shaq give it his all?

even when Shaq was young, he never dominated through the majority of the season

As I've asked before, how can the biggest, baddest center of his generation NOT win even one Defensive Player of the Year Award?

Answer - he doesn't have the desire to do so.

minew_m
03-24-2004, 09:01 PM
You can argue the same point for a lot of players. Since Kobe is such a great scorer why can't he do like Jordan and average high twenties to low thirties per game. They all have good games, and they all have bad games. No one player is going to dominate the league anymore. Ming is taller than anybody out there but he can't even dominate (hell he has a hard time getting 8-10 boards a game). There are going to be some exceptions, like Shaq an Kobe, that are better than most of the players in the league, but are still not overwhelmingly dominating.

skyracer3
03-24-2004, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
You can argue the same point for a lot of players. Since Kobe is such a great scorer why can't he do like Jordan and average high twenties to low thirties per game.

Well thats an easy one. Jordan didnt have Shaq, Malone, and Payton on his team...

minew_m
03-24-2004, 09:31 PM
Jordan did have Pippen, Rodman, a big man which is rare in the east in Longly, Kucok and Kerr who are darn good three point shooters. Pippen, Kucok and Kerr all got their shots too. I don't think Jordan took that many more shots than Kobe does now.

podstock
03-24-2004, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
You can argue the same point for a lot of players. Since Kobe is such a great scorer why can't he do like Jordan and average high twenties to low thirties per game.

an EASY question to answer:

when you look at the teams that Jordan has had throughout his career - which player was the second scorer?

I would guess Scottie Pippen

On the Lakers, Shaq and Kobe need to share, and that's why Kobe doesn't average high 20s-low 30s

NOW, THE MORE PERTINENT QUESTION IS THIS:

Has Kobe shown that he can score at will?

1. witness last year, when Shaq was missing in action, and Kobe had 8 straight games of 40+ points, something Jordan never did

2. Kobe had 13-15 straight games of 35+ points (amongst that was the 8 straight with 40+), just a few games being Wilt for all-time record

3. Kobe had 56 points against Memphis last year, AND DID NOT PLAY 1 SECOND OF THE 4TH QUARTER....

Jordan scored all those points, and averaged all those points, b/c the Bulls had no other scorer.

You cannot say that the Bulls 1-2 punch of Jordan/Pippen are the equivalent scoring machine that Kobe and Shaq are.

Put Kobe on the hapless Clippers / Hawks and you'll see Kobe averaging 30-35

we all know Kobe can score; he's in a team where he's not required to score 30+ for the team to win.

podstock
03-24-2004, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
I don't think Jordan took that many more shots than Kobe does now.

Here are the field goal attempts:

Kobe's first 8 years, including this year -
1996-97 - 422
1997-98 - 391
1998-99 - 779
1999-00 - 1183
2000-01 - 1510
2001-02 - 1597
2002-03 - 1924
2003-04 - 912


Jordan's first 8 years

1984-85 - 1625
1985-86 - 328 (out most of the year with a foot injury)
1986-87 - 2279
1987-88 - 1998
1988-89 - 1795
1989-90 - 1964
1990-91 - 1837
1991-92 - 1818
1992-93 - 2003


to find Kobe stats, go to www. sportsline.com
to find Jordan's stats, here's the link (since he's no longer an active player):
http://www.sportsline.com/u/jordan/2001/player/career_stats.htm


as you can see from the above stats, Kobe's most attempts were last year (in which Shaq missed almost half the season), with 1924 attempts.

Now look at Jordan: with the exception of 1985-1986, Jordan is around 1800-2000 attempts

Here's a better stat:

Jordan shoots an amazing 49.7% FG
Kobe only shoots 45.5%

But, if Kobe shot as many times as Jordan, he'd be in the high 20s. He wouldn't be in the low 30s b/c of that lower FG %.

all in all, while no one will ever be Jordan, Kobe sure comes damn close

and you cannot bear ill-will with a guy who improves his game every year, the way Kobe did....

he shoots the 3s more consistently
he now banks shots
he shoots left handed shots
and he is deadly at the end of games

and he works out in the offseason

Just like Jordan in his prime, there is NO ONE in NBA you would rather have take the last shot to win games than Kobe and there is NO ONE who's made more clutch plays in the playoffs than Kobe

what other player would YOU pick to take the last shot?

1. T-Mac? --- look what Kobe did to him in the 4th quarter just recently, shutting him to 5 points while scoring 24 points

2. Allen Iverson?

3. Tim Duncan?

The only person I can think of with clutch shooting is Mike Bibby

minew_m
03-25-2004, 08:16 AM
Supporting cast is great. Pippen and Jordan could match up with Kobe and Shaq scoring wise:

Actually Pippen did score quite a bit.
92-93 18.6
93-94 22.0
94-95 21.4
95-96 19.4
96-97 20.2
97-98 19.1

Kukoc
94-95 15.7
95-96 13.1
96-97 13.2
97-98 13.3
98-99 18.8
99-00 18.0

Then you add Kerr in the mix:
93-94 8.6
94-95 8.2
95-96 8.4
96-97 8.1
97-98 7.5

Longely:
93-94 7.6
94-95 6.5
95-96 9.1
96-97 9.1
97-98 11.4
98-99 8.7

And about the shots. If you take the averages out in the games that they played, Jordan only takes 2 or 3 shots at mosts per game career wise. Kobe probably wouldn't make all those extra shots anyways so his points per game would only be up maybe a point or two. Nothing where Jordan was.

podstock
03-25-2004, 01:46 PM
You made a good point..and I will leave it at that

I keep rooting for Kobe, and hope that he doesn't kill his career by moving elsewhere (esp. when the Lakers are the ONLY team allowed to give him $50M MORE than any other team on the new contract)

Ken Griffey Jr. had the red carpet treatment to the Hall of Fame while in Seattle....but he groused, wanted to go home, blah blah... and the baseball gods took vengeance on him

There is no way Griffey is a sure-lock Hall of Famer at this point in time.

If kobe leaves Lakers just b/c he wants to be THE MAN, he may find himself the next T-Mac / Vince Carter ---- lots of points, and lots of losses

podstock
03-25-2004, 02:01 PM
3/24/04 update: Lakers 115-91 over the Kings, in a bashing seen on ESPN and heard all over the NBA world!!!!!

holy horse manure!!

Did I think this could happen?

Of course I did, but then again, I thought the Raiders were going to blow out the Bucs in the Super Bowl 2 years ago and that Rice was going to be the MVP

wowowowowowow!
after a 9-6 Kings lead, the Lakers promptly went on a 27-3 run and lead by 19 after the end of the 1st, led by 18 at halftime, by 22 at end of 3rd quarter, and won by 24

it was a sound beating from one end to the other.

Kobe scored the first points of the game, on a 22-footer, after being in the courtroom all day, and made his first 4 shots, ending with 36 points, 6 boards and 6 assists

Kobe set the tone, and Karl, Gary and Shaq carried it throughout the whole game.

Absolutely phenomenal shooting by the Lakers - 51.6% for the game and 79% free throws, vs. 41% and 65% for the Kings

Shaq had yet another GREAT defensive game, even coming out high on the pick and roll, and got 17 points, 16 boards and 6 assists

Karl had only 11 points, 7 boards and 4 assists (hampered by foul trouble), but did a very respectable job against Webber

payton had 20, with 5 boards and 3 assists; more importantly, he SHUT down Bibby, who was 4-16 shooting. Last game, Bibby went wild, going for 31 points

Slava had a TREMENDOUS game backing up Karl, and even did a somewhat ok job defensively Slava had 15 points (6-9 shooting) and 8 boards ---- just a great great game!!

Rick Fox, with a mere 6 points, 5 boards and 5 assists, SHUT DOWN Peja, as Fox was in Peja's face all game long. Peja had a good game, 7-15 for 20 points.....but boy, every time he touched the ball (which wasn't often) Fox and/or Devean was basically hugging him! tremendous defense!!

Surprisingly, Brad Miller was a none-factor.

yes, the Kings had a back-to-back game...but they played (and lost to) Bucks at Sacramento the night before, so the travel wasn't that bad.

yes, the Kings were missing Bobby Jackson

but, even with Bobby playing, the Kings weren't going to make up that 18-24 point deficit throughout the game

If the Lakers can play this defense (a very big big big IF), they cannot be beat, b/c they have too many weapons on the offense.

Whereas, before, you could double Kobe and double Shaq, and allow Devean and Fox to shoot to will, and still win.....

now, you cannot leave Karl and Gary for wide open jumpers.

All that stands in the way of a Lakers championship is their heart:

CAN THEY PLAY THIS TYPE OF DEFENSE?

if yes - they win the title for Karl and Gary
if no - they will not make it to the NBA Finals

whoever comes out of the West - Lakers, Kings, Spurs, Wolves - will destroy whoever comes out of the East.

SingleDaddyof2
03-25-2004, 02:21 PM
Originally posted by podstock
All that stands in the way of a Lakers championship is their heart:
You hit the nail right on the head. That was an excellent post, Phil. ^5's to you. As we're heading into the season's crunch time, I can see Shaq is finally showing some real intensity. He is now doing some real jumping for rebounds and blocked shots. He has stepped it up now along with the rest of the team. When the Lakers focus on their defense, that's when you see games like yesterday's drubbing of Sacramento. I wish I could've seen the game's first half but I was helping my daughter with a school project--I should've taped it, d'oh!!

minew_m
03-25-2004, 05:59 PM
What surprised me the most about the game is Fox. He finally looked like his old self. I though for sure that Peja would just destroy Fox, but the reverse happened. If Fox can keep on playing like he did last night, the Lakers have even more of a better shot to win the Championship this year!

podstock
03-25-2004, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by SingleDaddyof2
I wish I could've seen the game's first half but I was helping my daughter with a school project--I should've taped it, d'oh!!

first, good job helping out your daughter!! That takes precedence over watching Kobe and Shaq

second...I was at work, and did tape it, but the damn tape and/or Foxsports channel screwed up, so I missed over 11 minutes of the 1st quarter (when all the good action was!), before the tape miraculously cleared up and I was able to watch the last 3 quarters

lolol...

but then again, I went home, and ESPN had a replay of it at 12:30 am, so I watched the 1st quarter on ESPN

podstock
03-25-2004, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
What surprised me the most about the game is Fox. He finally looked like his old self. I though for sure that Peja would just destroy Fox, but the reverse happened. If Fox can keep on playing like he did last night, the Lakers have even more of a better shot to win the Championship this year!

Minew,

ya, me too!!

I figured Peja would've scored 30+, and was hoping Kobe could do the same to neutralize it.

But, I never dreamed that Peja and Bibby would score LESS than Kobe!

Shaq, since the All Star break, is proving your point: he is a BIG BAD MAN!!!

boy, when he goes after the rebounds, no one else has a chance, as he just towers over everyone.

lolol, he and Kareem Rush went up for a rebound last night, and almost pancaked Kareem while getting the rebound. lol

minew_m
03-25-2004, 07:57 PM
Actually both our players are proving both our points. Kobe has been suberb in the fourth quarter, especially for the last 6-8 games. He's really scoring quite a bit. In the same span Shaq is getting a great amount of rebounds and blocks. I hope they can both get even better for the playoffs. That would be a nightmare for any team!

insanefishpossay
03-26-2004, 05:04 PM
Should be a great game tonight against the wolves.

And the games on ESPN, ahhh i get to watch it in HD :)

stalking_WOLF_21
03-26-2004, 09:22 PM
lakers are going down wally starting to wake up and kg playing like mvp but i must say th lakers have been domint

stalking_WOLF_21
03-27-2004, 12:18 AM
first quorter kobe goes on the baseline and no one on him dunks it and the ball comes flying at garnett then sprewell gets the same chance no one with in 7ft and he missed his dunk/layup it was pritty weird did you guys see that miami dallas game i almost pied by paints

skyracer3
03-27-2004, 05:37 AM
domination?? I think so.....

Lakers vs. Pacers in the NBA Finals (I was hoping Lakers wouldnt make it because Pacers would have a better chance then, but Lakers look too damn strong right now).

They're gellin like a fellin (Sp?)

podstock
03-27-2004, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
Should be a great game tonight against the wolves.

And the games on ESPN, ahhh i get to watch it in HD :)

one day, I hope to enjoy the awesomeness that is ESPN HD!!

wow!!

podstock
03-27-2004, 11:20 PM
3/26/04 Update: Lakers 90-73 over the Wolves

While this wasn't as dominating a defensive performance as Wed vs. the Kings

the Lakers played a HUGE part in the Wolves (the team with the best FG shooting % in NBA) shooting a season-low 31%

wow!!! yes, the Wolves missed a ton of open shots (Wally 3-11, Sam 4-10, Latrell 5-15, and KG 6-18 in FG shooting), but the Lakers maintained tremendous defensive pressure throughout most of the game

woooohoooooooooo!!! I think the Wolves were intimidated by the Lakers, b/c they had wide open looks (more so than the Kings) and missed badly on most of their shots.

Kobe led the way with 35 points (13-21 shooting), 9 boards and 5 assists, 2 blocks and 2 steals. very nice game!! Kobe has made 33 free throws in a row

Shaq had yet another TREMENDOUS defensive performance with
22 points, 4 assists, and 18 freaking rebounds!!!

Karl (4 points on 1-9 shooting; 7 boards) played good defense on Garnett, but was in foul trouble throughout the whole game

Payton (7 points on 3-10 shooting, 3 boards and 3 assists) didn't have a good shooting night either; but played fairly good on Sam Cassell

Basically, this was a Kobe and Shaq game, with everyone else chipping in a few points.

And to StalkingWolf: Wally is a joke, esp. given that he WAS an all-star. This guy is basically a set shooter; he has NO ability whatsoever to dribble drive, stop and shoot. Both Fox, Kobe, and Devean and whoever else guarding Wally have no trouble stopping Wally.

In last year's playoffs, Fox and Devean, whichever one guarded Wally, stopped him COLD.

Lakers now 1/2 game ahead of the Wolves, and 2 games behind Sacramento. If Lakers finish ahead of the Wolves, they will be #3 ranked; MN will be #2, but in the 2nd round, Lakers would have home court advantage

Sacrmento has a tough schedule ahead, going to Dallas, San Antonio and Houston - a killer Texas schedule

Lakers have 11 games left, and only 3 on the road (at Seattle, at Portland, and at Sacramento)

this is gonna be one hell of a finish...stalkingwolf, get ready to send me that 50 CC!! And if you don't have it (b/c you decide you'd rather spend it)...then you will need to come up with it. You have 78 cc as of 3/26/04

Lakers now play Utah at home this coming Sunday - Karl's first game vs his team

stalking_WOLF_21
03-28-2004, 11:06 PM
they looked liked the kings/pistons they were moving the ball to EVERY ONE (not just shaq and kobe) they had great defence but the wolves had a bad night

podstock
03-29-2004, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
they looked liked the kings/pistons they were moving the ball to EVERY ONE (not just shaq and kobe) they had great defence but the wolves had a bad night

that is true

but, when you have a bad night, and shoot a season low 31.5%, that means the other team also played good defense

about 9-11 games left in the season for all teams


let's see how things turn out!

podstock
03-29-2004, 09:14 PM
3/28/04 update: Lakers beat Utah

Not too much to say about the game, other than that the Lakers won in spite of Kobe ball hogging, taking stupid shots from out of the blue!

Kobe took 23 shots, made 8 while Shaq only shot it 11 times (although Shaq missed 7 of 10 free throws)

Karl played well, with 19 points and about 13-16 rebounds in his first game vs his former team.

Boy, the Lakers built up a nice 16 point lead in the 3rd quarter, before Kobe decided he was gonna shoot and do nothing else. His shot wasn't working in the game, and he should've passed to the other open players......

oh well.....at least Kobe plays hard.

Kirilenkov had a TERRIBLE game, with 7 points (he averages 17-19 points a game) as Rick Fox did a GREAT PHYSICAL job vs. Andrei

Jazz played well....but they were just outmanned.

It was a boring game, and the game really was never in doubt, even when the Lakers fell behind by 6 points in 2nd quarter.

Utah outrebounded the Lakers 46-44, and they've done this in all 4 meetings - incredible!

Lakers still 2 games behind Sacramento, and 1/2 game ahead of MN.

Minnesota has a trip to Houston tonight, so hopefully the Rockets can give the Wolves another loss.

Lakers play the Hornets (without their best player and UCLA alum Baron Davis, out with an injury) Tuesday at home

They then play Houston at home Thursday and a back-to-back Friday at Seattle (Kobe is due in court Friday - hopefully, he's able to fly back and play Friday)

9 total games left....and 2 HUMUNGOUS games:

april 4th: home vs SA Spurs
april 11th: at Sacramento

these are the only 2 games that the Lakers possibly might lose, esp. at Sacramento...Lakers should be able to go 8-1, or 8-2 at the worse.

Sacramento has a KILLER 3-game trip to Texas that will determine if they are the #1 seed or #3 seed, going to Dallas on 3/31, San Antonio 4/1 and Houston 4/4

minew_m
03-29-2004, 10:14 PM
I'm hoping that Sacramento can lose all three Texas games.

Boy Rick Fox is impressive. First he stopped Peja, now Kirelenko! He is going to be an asset come playoff time. The past few games he is looking like the Fox of old.

Karl also looks like he is regaining his shot. If all of the Lakers can keep playing like they are in a few weeks from now, the league better watch out!

podstock
03-30-2004, 12:44 PM
Agree, Minew!

I am shocked at how well Fox is playing.

He is coming off a severe foot injury, and I didn't think he was goingto be effective at all for the rest of the year!

podstock
03-31-2004, 02:43 PM
3/30/04: Lakers romp all over New Orleans by 19 points.

the Hornets were without their 2 best players, Baron Davis and Mashburn

so, even when the Hornets got out to a 9-0 lead, and a 20-8 lead in the 1st quarter, no one really cared and not too much booing occurred from the fans

the Hornets just don't have enough firepower on offense, and not enough on defense, and it was only a matter of time before the Lakers took over

Had the Lakers played this sh*t of ball against the Kings/Wolves/Spurs and fell behind 20-8, you'd hear a ton of booing.....

Malone was the player of the game, with about 11 points, 8 boards and 9 assists, barely missing a triple double, in only 28 minutes.

Kobe lead the way with 23 points and 6 assists, and did a better job of sharing the ball

Gary had 20 points and 6 assists

Shaq had a quiet game with 15 points and less than 10 boards; but, the Lakers changed their offensive strategy, as Karl went into the post, and Shaq hung around the perimeter, hence not too many boards.

Devean came alive with 10 points and a 3-pointer
Brian Cook, in barely 12 minutes, made 6-7 shots in garbage time during 4th quarter

this wasn't that exciting of a ballgame, primarily b/c the Hornets were missing their 2 best players.

Lakers now with a 9-game winning streak.

They play Houston Thurs at home; then travel to Seattle for Friday's back-to-back. Fortunately, the court case for Kobe this Friday was cancelled due to a conflict, so Kobe will be there for the entire game.

back-to-back games are tough for the Lakers

podstock
04-02-2004, 01:13 AM
4/1/04 update: well, the Kings lost, and the Lakers have the chance to tie for #1 seed.

So, what do the Lakers do?

They goddam ™™™™™™™ sleepwalk through the 1st quarter...

then, they sleepwalk through the 3rd quarter to give up a 6 point lead as the Rockets go on a 15-2 run

™™™™™™™ Lakers - this piece of ™™™™ sleepwalking will get them killed in the playoffs

going back to watch the rest of the game.........unless I throw my Heineken at the TV and break it!

insanefishpossay
04-02-2004, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by podstock
4/1/04 update: well, the Kings lost, and the Lakers have the chance to tie for #1 seed.

So, what do the Lakers do?

They goddam ™™™™™™™ sleepwalk through the 1st quarter...

then, they sleepwalk through the 3rd quarter to give up a 6 point lead as the Rockets go on a 15-2 run

™™™™™™™ Lakers - this piece of ™™™™ sleepwalking will get them killed in the playoffs

going back to watch the rest of the game.........unless I throw my Heineken at the TV and break it!

Settle down, a team can't win every game, there are going to be nights where they don't play 100%.

minew_m
04-02-2004, 08:02 AM
You had nothing to be mad about Podstock, they ended up winning, lol. Now guess who's tied for first!

stalking_WOLF_21
04-02-2004, 03:44 PM
i'm mad and happy right know the lakers are first the wolves are second and the kings are third

podstock
04-02-2004, 03:59 PM
Ok, I am now calm...almost threw a Heineken bottle at my TV

tha'ts why I love sports -- the passion, the emotion

I just love sports, and live and die with UCLA Bruins, Lakers, Angels/Dodgers, and 49ers

the Lakers won last night, but it was a pretty crappy game, with lots of turnovers, several Kobe ballhogging possessions when he could've passed to an open man for 3 more assists

But, Shaq played TREMENDOUS defense, yet again, as Yao had a measly 7 points, 8 boards, and never even got to the free throw line.

Malone did a fantastic job, with 20 points and 13 boards..he may have sacrificed to make only $1M this year, but he certainly deserves a HUGE raise next year.

Not much to say in the way of stats.....

the IMPORTANT thing is: Lakers are now tied with Sacramento, at 52-23. Sacramento has the top 2 tiebreakers, having gone 2-1 in head to head competition vs the Lakers and are 2 games ahead of the Lakers in conference record.

wowowow...just 2 weeks ago, Lakers were SIX games behind Sac

Today, they have the same record.

Lakers play tonight in a back-to-back vs. the Sonics, who always play the Lakers tough at Key Arena in Seattle.

Spurs are also slowly creeping up, only 2 games behind for #1 seed.

Lakers play Spurs this Sunday at home; play the Kings next Sunday at Arco Arena

Lakers have 4 games at home, 2 more on road (Seattle, Sacramento)

Kings have 3 at home; 4 on the road
Wolves have 3 at home and 3 at road

boy....what a finish we should have, as only 2 games separate #1 seed from #4 seed

podstock
04-05-2004, 02:17 AM
4/4/04: Lakers get pick-and-rolled to death by the SA Spurs

wowowowow....

this loss to the Spurs was brought to you by:


1. Kobe's selfishness, as he spent the early parts of the 1st quarter firing 20-footers while being played tough by Bowen and sometimes double teamed; what an ™™™™™™™™™! how can you fire up 20-footers with a guy in your face when there's 15+ seconds on the time clock and plenty of open teammates!

thanks a lot Kobe....take your farking ball with you on your way out the door this summer. Jordan couldn't beat the Boston Celtics and Detroit Pistons all by himself; there's no way Kobe willl be able to get to the NBA Final all by himself on a ™™™™ty team (Clippers, Atlanta, etc)

2. the Lakers defense, which doesn't understand how to play pick-and-roll

3. Phil Jackson, who doesn't make the team practice defense

Spurs played tremendous and deserve this victory

ugi802004
04-05-2004, 07:13 PM
This is the 1st time im lookin at this. This is so sweet (being a laker fan) but they win it all, no one has stopped them whe there healty, ok so the lost to SA, 1 bad game, that was only 1st time SA beat them this season. (11-2 when healty w/ Rick Fox) Rick Fox the X-Factor, hahah lol.

podstock
04-07-2004, 02:45 PM
4/6/04: Portland trounces the Lakers by 11, 91-80.

boy, the 1st quarter was absolutely UGLY..

No one played defense, and the Trailblazers had open look after open look. When they weren't making outside shots, they were penetrating through a porous Lakers defense

then, there was Kobe, who made a whopping 5 shots out of 23
attempts. Shaq meanwhile only shot it 11 times

boy, Kobe is a stubborn son of a b*tch -- his shots were not there, and instead of passing, he kept firing away. This is fine if he were on the Hawks / Clippers / Bulls, where no one else scores.

But, we've got Shaq, Karl, Gary...and Kobe kept firing shots that had no chance of going in.

It's one thing to keep shooting if you are hot..but Kobe was more frigid than your freezer!

what a pathetic game. Portland committed 20 turnovers, but still blew out the Lakers on the road!!

Lakers now tied with Spurs for 4th best record (but win the tiebreaker)..... next game is home vs the Memphis Grizzlies

4 games left...including road games at Sacramento and at Portland

ugi802004
04-07-2004, 06:57 PM
Normally i hate when people jus blame Kobe, he wins a lot of games but then blows some. But in this case, man when r shooting this bad, GIVE IT UP. Like said there is Malone, Payton and Shaq.

podstock
04-07-2004, 07:16 PM
Ugi - I agree with you

without the clutch shooting, the clutch rebounds, and the skilled defense that Kobe provides, the Lakers wouldn't have won the titles....

but Kobe is of the mindset that HE is the one who decides the game

Kobe decided he was gonna shoot and shoot and shoot and shoot... regardless of whether his shots were close or not.

if it weren't for Kobe's passion, I'd hate him like there was no tomorrow.

If Shaq had half of Kobe's passion for the game, Shaq would be the Most Dominant Ever

Shaq last night shot miserably, yet again, from the free throw line.

How can a pro ball player in the NBA shoot LESS THAN 30% from the free throw line in a bunch of games on a consistent basis?

ugi802004
04-07-2004, 08:05 PM
I no lol, Kobe coming of a hot month, getting player of the month, and he cant let that get to him, he thinks hes invincable now, and taking every shot. Hopefully Phil will make it clear to him in practice, Team before himself.

ugi802004
04-10-2004, 10:30 AM
Wow they almost lost to the Grizz w/out Gasoul and Bonzi Wells. I turned it off when they were losing in 2nd quarter 39-23. But o well, all said and done LA won.

minew_m
04-10-2004, 11:54 AM
Rough game for the Lakers. Shaq had a good night. I believe he only missed three shots from the field. Kobe was the leading scorer and went 9-23 from the field. He's passing a little more (7 ast.), but still taking some wild shots I find. Hopefully they can beat the Queens tomorrow!

ugi802004
04-10-2004, 12:44 PM
YEA QUEENS is right!!!!!!!

podstock
04-10-2004, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by ugi802004
Wow they almost lost to the Grizz w/out Gasoul and Bonzi Wells. I turned it off when they were losing in 2nd quarter 39-23. But o well, all said and done LA won.

hey, I don't blame you for not watching / listening to the game.
man, I threw my small alarm clock when the Lakers were down by 19 (had to go to K-mart this morning and get a replacement for the office at work) last night

that was just an incredible display of INEPTITUDE and INCOMPETENCE

Grizzlies were 0-17 vs the Lakers in Los Angeles; they were missing 2 of their starters Pau Gasol and Bonzi Wells,

and the Grizzles were up by 19 in the farking 2nd quarter?!?!?

I almost threw a fit!

There was 2 reasons why the Lakers won this game:

1. Grizzlies couldn't shoot a free throw in the 2nd half - missed 9 straight free throws at one point (they were 11 for 22 overall on free throws)

2. Grizzlies didn't have the offensive firepower once the Lakers played some defensive.

if they had Pau Gasol and Bonzi playing ... I doubt the Lakers could've come back

what a pathetic game last night.

don't be fooled by the victory or the score....

in the playoffs, if you are down 19 to San Antonio or Sacramento or Minnesota, you're not coming back to win. You can't expect to play perfect defense and then outscore the other team by 19 points in one quarter!!

Kobe had 33 points, but was a lousy 9-23 from the field (he did make 14-15 free throws) with 6 boards and 7 assists. Kobe finally decided to pass. When Kobe has 6+ assists, Lakers are something like 26-5.

Shaq had 28 points (a GREAT 12-14 from the field, but clanked in 3-11 from free throws -- how the fark do you shoot 33%?!?!?!) and 12 boards and a couple of blocks -- Shaq took an anti-inflammatories for his knee pain, and was pretty active.

Malone had 12 points, 7 boards, 6 assists... he's still hesitant to shoot the outside shot; hopefully, he'll start shooting more when he's wide open.

Gary 12 points, 4 boards and 7 assists

Rick Fox dislocated his thumb defending on a fast break play - hopefully, they can splint the thumb, and he can continue playing this Sunday - but I doubt it; I saw the limp thumb, and it was pretty bad on TV.

For the Grizzlies, Mike Miller had 22 points on 10-15 shots and James Posey had 19 points on 7-12 shots. But, without Gasol and Bonzi, they just didn't have enough offense.

Surprisingly, the Suns BEAT the Kings in Arizona -- wowowowowow!!! The Suns are freaking 26 games UNDER 0.500 and still managed to beat the Kings!

San Antonio, Kings, and Lakers all have the same record. Minnesota is the #1 see with 1 1/2 lead over all 3 teams.

Lakers meet Kings at Arco this Sunday. Winner gets inside track to the #2 seed.

After this game Sunday, Lakers play Golden St. at home Tuesday, then Portland on the road Wed -- a tough back-to-back!!

Sacramento goes on the road to play at Denver Monday (a tough back-to-back game with a team desperate to get that last spot in the playoffs), then at Golden St. Wed

with everything going on this year, wouldn't it be amazing if the Lakers could win the Pacific Division?!?!?!?!

minew_m
04-10-2004, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by ugi802004
YEA QUEENS is right!!!!!!!

Of course it's right. They can't be called the Kings until they win a championship, lol.

minew_m
04-10-2004, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by podstock


Rick Fox dislocated his thumb defending on a fast break play - hopefully, they can splint the thumb, and he can continue playing this Sunday - but I doubt it; I saw the limp thumb, and it was pretty bad on TV.




Don't look forward to it. I read that he broke it and he is out indefinitely.

stalking_WOLF_21
04-10-2004, 05:10 PM
THE W_O_L_V_E_S ARE 1ST AND CAN'T BE S_T_O_P_P_E_D AND IT'S NICE TO SAY TO ALL lakers or queens THAT THE WOLVES WILL GET PAST THE FIRST ROUND AND THE LAKERS LOSE IN THE FIRST AND I GET 50 CARD CASH FROM PODSTOCK THIS IS SWEET.
NUFF SAID

minew_m
04-10-2004, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
THE W_O_L_V_E_S ARE 1ST AND CAN'T BE S_T_O_P_P_E_D AND IT'S NICE TO SAY TO ALL lakers or queens THAT THE WOLVES WILL GET PAST THE FIRST ROUND AND THE LAKERS LOSE IN THE FIRST AND I GET 50 CARD CASH FROM PODSTOCK THIS IS SWEET.
NUFF SAID

Pretty brave to say considering the Wolves never made it PAST the first round, lol.

ugi802004
04-10-2004, 06:48 PM
WHOOAAAAAA im sorry but man, are you on crack!!!!! Lakers are winning it all let alone losing 1st round. Yea i bet once LA gets 1 seed, and T-wolves fall to 2 they will lose to Rocketts lol. And if u wanna make a bet on who will go farther ill deffinitly make one.

stalking_WOLF_21
04-10-2004, 07:50 PM
o would but i need my card cash

minew_m
04-10-2004, 07:54 PM
Wanna bet cards on it? I'll bet that the Lakers go further than the T-wolves!

podstock
04-10-2004, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
THE W_O_L_V_E_S ARE 1ST AND CAN'T BE S_T_O_P_P_E_D AND IT'S NICE TO SAY TO ALL lakers or queens THAT THE WOLVES WILL GET PAST THE FIRST ROUND AND THE LAKERS LOSE IN THE FIRST AND I GET 50 CARD CASH FROM PODSTOCK THIS IS SWEET.
NUFF SAID


yup..if by chance the Wolves last further into the playoffs than my Lakers

I owe Wolf 50 cc

lololol -

ugi802004
04-10-2004, 11:34 PM
Listen ill bet my whole house that the Lakers will go further, expect i dont own it, my parents do, but seroius ill put some CC on the line, even if its a lil.

O and pod, ur not going to owe him any cc, wolves arent going anywhere.

stalking_WOLF_21
04-10-2004, 11:57 PM
you guys just like the lakers just like every body likes the yanks because they win championships sorry guys but your lakers will be defeated and you will all cry a river because you know i'm right about every thing i said on this thread.

ugi802004
04-11-2004, 12:46 PM
No not exactly, Wolves suck, just because lakers have rings notihg for you to cry about. Yea u wont bet me because your too scared. I and ive liked LA my whole life, b/c of Kobe. I sure you have just become a t-wolves fan this year because there in 1st.

insanefishpossay
04-11-2004, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Pretty brave to say considering the Wolves never made it PAST the first round, lol.

This is a completely different team then in the past first round exits.

In the past they've had KG, their superstar..... but after him who did they have?

This year they have two very strong players supporting KG. Wally Szczerbiak is pretty good, and if Troy Hudson can get healthy(remember how great he was last years playoffs against the lakers?) and Olowokandi can heat up a little more, the wolves will be unstoppable.

insanefishpossay
04-11-2004, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by ugi802004
No not exactly, Wolves suck,


riiiiiiight...... they just have the best record in the West....... they'd have the best record if it weren't for indiana playing all the crappy teams in the East.

But yeah.... they suck..... surre......

podstock
04-11-2004, 01:54 PM
I definitely agree that the wolves do NOT suck

but, remember, they still have to get past the 1st round.

the beauty of sports it this:

nothing is ever given to you (unless you are Duke, in which case you get all the favorable calls from the ref, lol).. you have to go out and win the game

minew_m
04-11-2004, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by podstock
(unless you are Duke, in which case you get all the favorable calls from the ref, lol)

I guess you didn't watch any of their games this year because that wasn't the case, lol.

stalking_WOLF_21
04-11-2004, 03:48 PM
and the laker have to of the most dirtyest playing players in the league and the other guy is right you don't just get 60 wins in your pocket the worked for it and it will all payoff once they win the championship. and ugi no i have been a wolves fan for all my life all 17 years i have lived a watched the wolves so you can watch your four superstar lose when most of the teams don't have one and the can still beat the lakers

ugi802004
04-11-2004, 04:14 PM
Ok maybe u have likd them for your whole 17 years, and ive liked the lakers my whole 15 years. So how u gunna come say im a front runner. And dude if the Lakers were healthy they would have 70 wins the year.....yea no ifs and or buts, they would, they are like 12-2 w/ whole starting lineup (including fox). So too bad T-wovles havent even been in the NBA for 17 years. lol, so how are you a wolves fan for that long. And u can watch your 3 susperstars cry once they make it outta the 1st round, they are having a great year, theyll get outta 1st round, but never outta the 2nd.

podstock
04-11-2004, 08:08 PM
4/11/04: Kings dominate the Lakers

no score needed

well, the officials decided to call it tight; Shaq got 2 quick fouls before you could blink, and the Lakers got crushed 31-16 in the 1st quarter, and were down 19 points in the 1st half

and Kobe too ONE stinking shot in the 1st half

GAME OVER

now, normally, I'd be steaming mad!!

but you know what?

most likely, the Kings, if they win their final 2 games or the Lakers lose one of their last 2 games, will get the #2 seed.

Lakers are 1 game behind Spurs for the #3 seed.

Now, if Minnesota and Spurs win out...the seedings are as follows:

MN #1
SAc #2
Spurs #3
Lakers #4

now, do you see why I am not mad that the Lakers lost?
Once they beat MN (and Wolf gives me his 50 cc, lol), all they have to do is beat the winner of Sac vs. SA

On the other hand....Sac and Spurs play each other, THEN they have to go through the Lakers to get to the NBA Finals

So, I am calm, cool, and collected.

Otherwise, I'd have beaten the crap out of the Easter bunny!!

stalking_WOLF_21
04-11-2004, 08:36 PM
MN #1
SAc #2
Spurs #3
Lakers #4
what does this say huff plmk thanks

ugi802004
04-11-2004, 09:14 PM
wow he goes from too many shots to not enough shots, common 18 points between kobe and shaq. This game was sad. And wolf, every year LA wins is when there the 3rd or 4th seed. And id rather be 4th b/c we get grizzle 1st round rather than the Mavs at 6th seed.

podstock
04-11-2004, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
MN #1
SAc #2
Spurs #3
Lakers #4
what does this say huff plmk thanks

lolol

it doesn't mean a thing

other than that we don't have to beat BOTH SA and Sacramento to get to the NBA Finals

I'd much rather have to beat the Wolves and either the Spurs/Kings

than to have to beat the Spurs in the 2nd round, and move into the West Conference Finals against the Kings

I don't fear the Wolves

by the way, can someone answer this question?

HOW MANY PLAYOFF SERIES HAVE THE TIMBERWOLVES WON?

hehehehe

insanefishpossay
04-11-2004, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by ugi802004
And dude if the Lakers were healthy they would have 70 wins the year

And, "dude", you could make the same argument for the wolves. Olowokandi was out for a long time, as were Wally Szczerbiak and Troy Hudson, all were suppose to play major roles this season.

insanefishpossay
04-11-2004, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by podstock

I don't fear the Wolves


And the Wolves don't fear the Lakers.




Originally posted by podstock
HOW MANY PLAYOFF SERIES HAVE THE TIMBERWOLVES WON?


None.

But the wolves must be pretty damn good if all you people can do to say they'll lose is bring up the fact that they've had 7 straight first round exits.

ugi802004
04-11-2004, 10:11 PM
Your right, they did miss some role players in the season but 1 question. Who is more important being hurt : Kobe, shaq, fox, and malone...... or ........ Wally, hudson, and Olowokandi

ugi802004
04-11-2004, 10:14 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay


But the wolves must be pretty damn good if all you people can do to say they'll lose is bring up the fact that they've had 7 straight first round exits.


Wait how does that make then "pretty damn good" with 7 staraight 1st round exits. Im not tryin to be mean or anything, im jus wondering how that makes them better.

ugi802004
04-11-2004, 10:35 PM
They said shaq was cursing in front of a live camera again, in a live interview. Does anyone know if he is susspended or not?

stalking_WOLF_21
04-11-2004, 11:32 PM
guys records are to be broke and
ugi802004 sure the lakers lost malone,shaq,fox and kobe but it how a team playes together look at th grizzlies the don't have any superstar but if you throw one there starting five out they don't play as a team lakers have one 3 championships without malone or payton now the have those to and there former starters on the bench. and the wolves still have a better record than them.
okay

podstock
04-12-2004, 01:04 PM
fwiw, ugi802004 has been banned for creating multiple usernames, switching all the CC to his name....so he no longer will be a part of our debate.

and Wolf -- it's looking like the Lakers will meet the Wolves in the 2nd round (assuming the Wolves can beat the #8 seed and get out of the 1st round, hehehe)......

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, 50 cc coming to me very very soon

stalking_WOLF_21
04-12-2004, 04:22 PM
yeah keep syaing that more you say it the more you'll look forward to it then when the wolves beet the lakers you will be so mad

insanefishpossay
04-12-2004, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by ugi802004
Wait how does that make then "pretty damn good" with 7 staraight 1st round exits. Im not tryin to be mean or anything, im jus wondering how that makes them better.

I'm not saying the wolves are better, the lakers are a good team. But it seems that all you laker fans are able to do is bring up the fact that the wolves have lost 7 straight first rounds... that's all the reasoning you can give as to why the wolves should lose in the first round?

That streak doesn't mean anything.


Shaq, cursing on live TV again? I don't normally see how the lakers are after games, but does shaq ALWAYS throw a hissy-fit everytime he loses? It sure seems that way.

podstock
04-12-2004, 06:22 PM
that streak means a LOT

sports is psychological

all pro athletes are good (some a tiny bit better than others)... but the greatest distinction is MENTAL

everyone talks about how good the Wolves are - that's fine

tell me about it when they win a series

stalking_WOLF_21
04-12-2004, 06:26 PM
okay that will be soon

minew_m
04-12-2004, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
Shaq, cursing on live TV again? I don't normally see how the lakers are after games, but does shaq ALWAYS throw a hissy-fit everytime he loses? It sure seems that way.

Shaq doesn't act that way all the time. But when he does do it, it does have the desired effect that Shaq wants. He basically calls out the team and they respond. He is a leader, and he is just trying to lead his team into the right direction.

insanefishpossay
04-12-2004, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by podstock

tell me about it when they win a series

Don't worry, I will :)

podstock
04-12-2004, 11:22 PM
boy, can you believe it?!?!

the Kings just lost to the Denver Nuggets

think about this:

1. if the Lakers beat Golden St. and Portland Tues & Wed
2. if the Kings lose at Golden St. Wed
3. if the Spurs lose either tonight or else Wed at home vs the Nuggets

the Lakers would get #2 seed overall

but, given the pathetic offense and defense the Lakers have show these past 4 games, losing 3 out of the 4, it's also likely they'll lose both of the remaining games as Kobe refuses to play, lololol

stalking_WOLF_21
04-13-2004, 12:54 AM
yeah i know the lakers suck you don't have to tell me podstock. and your right they will not win those games even if one of those were against the clippers (with a 13 game lossing streak)

podstock
04-13-2004, 12:05 PM
wolf,

it wouldn't disturb me one bit if the Lakers tanked these last 2 games, as long as the starters do not get hurt in these last 2 games

I'd rather have to beat Dallas in 1st round, MN in 2nd (and get my 50 cc, hehehe), then beat either SA/Sac

much better than being the #2 or #3 seed, and having to beat both SA or Sac, then going into the West Finals to face the other team

stalking_WOLF_21
04-14-2004, 05:52 PM
kobe had a great game 45 points 8 assists 7 rebounds good job kobe

podstock
04-14-2004, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
kobe had a great game 45 points 8 assists 7 rebounds good job kobe

tonight's the last game of the regular season

and here's what I am hoping will happen

1. Minnesota beat Memphis to remain #1 seed

or if MN loses, then SA must also lose

2. Sacramento wins at Golden St.

3. SA beats Denver at SA

4. Lakers to stay at #4 seed (perhaps this should've been the game that Kobe tanked it).....

I want Sacramento and SA to bust each other in 7 games before we play them in the West Finals!!

stalking_WOLF_21
04-14-2004, 07:55 PM
to bad the laker won't be even out of the first round

hahahahahahhahahhah

podstock
04-16-2004, 12:09 AM
wowowowow...an incredible Jordanesque game by Kobe, who scored 37 points as the Lakers rallied to beat Portland on the road, as Kobe hit a game tying 3 pointer to send game into OT and then hit a game winning 3-pointer in double OT with 1 second left and Lakers down by 1.

Just an incredible game!!

and Sacramento played like sh*t vs. Golden St.

well....all is now settled.

Lakers play Houston, then face San Antonio in 2nd round (by the way, Lakers are 2-2 vs Houston; but San Antonio is 1-3 vs Memphis this year)

MN should have no trouble beating Denver and advancing to meet Sacramento in the 2nd round.

Sacramento lost 11 of its last 19 games....but come playoff time, they play better defense and that is what should carry them past a hot Dallas team

Wolf, get ready to send me that 50 cc

hehehehe

stalking_WOLF_21
04-16-2004, 12:30 AM
hey if i were you you should be mad because if a was the lakers i would much rather play memphis instead of playing jim jackson yao ming steve francis mo taylor and mobley

podstock
04-16-2004, 06:50 PM
Wolf - I am mad!

that's why I said several days ago that the loss to Sacramento, which put us in the #4 spot, didn't bother me

but, who'd have thought that Sacramento would bomb Lakers, then lay down in losing their last 2 games and give the Lakers the #2 seed?

stalking_WOLF_21
04-16-2004, 07:04 PM
yeah the grizzeils have a better chance playing spurs or sac than
7-1 2,392lbs shaq (i wonder why he doesn't play restaleing)
kobe
the glove (i wonder why he doesn't play baseball)
malone who is responsible for 25 broken jaws, ten nock outs (i wonder why he doesn't box or somehting)

insanefishpossay
04-18-2004, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21

7-1 2,392lbs shaq (i wonder why he doesn't play restaleing)


COUGHwrestlingCOUGHCOUGH

insanefishpossay
04-18-2004, 11:15 AM
Lakers won a close one last night against Houston.

Do these TV stations really feel that they need to show Jack Nicholson at least once every 10 minutes? Every time I've watched a game where the Lakers are at home, that has been the case, I really can't stand it.


And I love how Jack gets so pissed off when the refs actually decide to call shaq for travelling.

minew_m
04-18-2004, 11:48 AM
What a game last night. It was a lot closer than what it should have been. But come playoff time no one can stop Shaq can they? Yao was not match. Shaq had what, 17 boards to Yao's 11.

Malone and Kobe both shot poorly from the field. Shaq shot poorly from the foul line. Those three still need to step it up a little more.

Tremendous defense by everyone though. Where they were really lacking though was when Shaq went to go guard Yao one on one out of the paint. It seemed like no one wanted to rebound underneath (except Malone once and a while) and they were giving up some offensive boards that they should have been giving up.

podstock
04-18-2004, 06:29 PM
4/18/04 update: Lakers 72-71 as they escape with a victory in a game in which Kobe went 4-19, Karl went 3-13, Steve Francis and Mobley had similar stats

what an UGLY UGLY UGLY game, in whch both teams played good, agressive defense and also missed a TON of wide open jumpers, starting with Karl Malone clanking shots left and right, and ending with Jim Jackson missing a wide open 3-pointer with about 2 seconds left. Just 1 minute earlier, Jackson hit a 3-pointer from the same exact spot on the floor

boy, this was ugly!!

Lakers had 49 points AFTER 3 quarters....49 freaking points!!

Lakers made 25 field goals - the record for lowest number of FGs made in a win

And Shaq was just ATROCIOUS from the free throw line, going 4-14, and most of the misses had NO chance of going in.

Kobe stunk up the joint shooting, even going a miserable 1-11 in the 1th quarter

Now the KEY QUESTION is: did the Rockets miss their opportunity

you're not going to see the Lakers shoot 32% from the floor any time soon.

San Antonio, meanwhile, absolutely CRUSHED the Grizzlies.

the last thing the Lakers can afford to do is spend 7 games playing the Rockets (and don't forget that Karl has a sprained ankle, Devean had a strained hamstring, Fisher has a sprained groin, Fox is recovering from a dislocated right thum), while the Spurs toss Grizzlies aside in 4 games!

and as I am writing this, the Kings just destroyed the Kings in the 4th quarter to turn a close game into a double digit blow out of the Mavs, who absolutely have no clue on how to play defense

insanefishpossay
04-18-2004, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by podstock
and as I am writing this, the Kings just destroyed the Kings in the 4th quarter

The kings destroyed themselves? I didn't think they were THAT bad :p

podstock
04-19-2004, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
The kings destroyed themselves? I didn't think they were THAT bad :p

lolol...I wish!

obviously, I meant to say the Kings destroyed the hapless and defensively-challenged Mavs

lol

insanefishpossay
04-19-2004, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by podstock
lolol...I wish!

obviously, I meant to say the Kings destroyed the hapless and defensively-challenged Mavs

lol

I knew what you meant, i was just having a little fun :)

minew_m
04-20-2004, 09:31 AM
Lakers win again! Yay, lol. Now if they can just win IN Houston I'll be happy. This game was close at the begening but then the Lakers took over in the fourth. Glad to see Kobe and Malone both having good shooting nights!

podstock
04-20-2004, 08:30 PM
4/19/04...Lakers win by double digits <br />
<br />
I was quite surprised at this game, as Shaq again was a no factor, having picked up 2 quick fouls just 6 minutes in the 1st quarter and sat out rest of 1st...

skyracer3
04-22-2004, 02:30 PM
Well I was actually at Staples Center for this game and I noticed a couple things. Shaq 2nd and 3rd fouls were TICKY TACK!!! In a somewhat physical game, I cant beleive they called those fouls on...

podstock
04-22-2004, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by skyracer3
Well I was actually at Staples Center for this game

hmmm, you were watching the game, eh?

not looking at the movie stars or the cheerleaders?

lol

insanefishpossay
04-22-2004, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by podstock
hmmm, you were watching the game, eh?

not looking at the movie stars or the cheerleaders?

lol

well at least when you're at the game you can choose to watch the game or stare at the movie stars/cheerleaders.

Every time I see a Lakers game on ESPN/TNT/Whatever I'm forced to sit there for five minutes while they show every single person in attendance that's somewhat famous. And then we're forced to watch Jack Nicholson at least once every couple minutes. It's amusing the first few times when you get to see him throw fits when the refs call/don't call fouls, but it gets old pretty quick.

podstock
04-23-2004, 12:44 PM
I would love to attend Lakers games..but I don't like paying hundreds of dollars for a 2 1/2 hour game

If you have to go to concessions or the bathroom, you miss at least 1/2 a quarter, if not more, unless you do it at halftime (which everyone else does as well)

so, I rarely attend the Lakers game, so I end up watching almost all the games on TV. Didn't attend one game in person this year

I prefer to go to baseball games, where the games last 3 hours most times, and if you're lucky, it goes extra innings and takes 4-5 hours. $150 doesn't do much at Lakers games. But $150 gets you lots of food and beer.

The big difference? TICKET PRICES

skyracer3
04-23-2004, 10:50 PM
Hey Phil, I got lucky with the tickets this time. My friend didnt want them, so he sold them to me for face value. It was 4 tickets for $35 bucks each. Thats pretty good especially for a playoff game.

And yes, the cheerleaders helped pass the time between the timeouts =)

One more thing..there were so many good looking girls sitting in the lower levels and courtside! haha. Must have some sugar daddys in their pockets.

podstock
04-24-2004, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by skyracer3
Hey Phil, I got lucky with the tickets this time. My friend didnt want them, so he sold them to me for face value. It was 4 tickets for $35 bucks each. Thats pretty good especially for a playoff game.

And yes, the cheerleaders helped pass the time between the timeouts =)

One more thing..there were so many good looking girls sitting in the lower levels and courtside! haha. Must have some sugar daddys in their pockets.

Sugar Daddys?

lol, those girls will be "paying" for those lower level seats.

No one gives something away to someone else without getting something back

if ya catch what I mean

hehehhehe

podstock
04-24-2004, 01:30 PM
4/24/04 update: Rockets blast the Lakers 102-91, with wide open three pointer after three pointer after three pointer

Lakers decided not to play defense, left the perimeter shooters wide open......

and that was the gist of the ballgame

Shaq had a great 1st half, with 11 points in the first 6-7 minutes of play...then, he started picking up fouls left and right, 3 in the first half.
Boy, I can see why Shaq, despite his self-proclaimed "Most Dominant Ever" title, has NEVER won ONE NBA defensive player of the year.

The guy has NO lateral movement, and you can easily get past him. Francis had no problems going right around Shaq... and Tony Parker is licking his chops for the chance to average 30+ points a game with pick and rolls

Of course, after the game, Shaq grumbled about not getting the ball enough, which was true, b/c he didn't do anything in the 2nd-3rd quarters (when Shaq grumbles about not getting the ball; it's an under-handed attack at Kobe ball hoggin)....but, as usual, Shaq shot 5-14 from free throw line.

THIS IS NOW GETTING RIDICULOUS, b/c it's more like that Shaq will miss BOTH freaking free throws rather than making 1 of 2!!!

Kobe score 21 points with about 7 assists and 7 rebounds, but had another terrible shooting night, going 7-20 from the field.

Francis and Mobley played well, and the perimeter shooting Jackson, Nakdar, etc made their shots

series now 2-1 for the Lakers

will the Lakers play defense Sunday?

b/c every team that plays the Lakers seem to average 55%+ shooting

minew_m
04-24-2004, 01:38 PM
They should have kept giving the ball to Shaq. Not sure why Kobe kept on jacking up three after three in the fouth again. He's not playing Portland again. He won't always make that shot! In the first quarter they were competetive. They were leading when they ran the offense through Shaq. In the last 3 or 4 minutes of the quarter they stopped giving him the ball and the Rockets ended the quarter with a six point lead. They have the most dominant player in the game, why not use him!

skyracer3
04-24-2004, 04:28 PM
Kobe was taking those threes because when the Lakers get down by double digits they give Kobe some freedom to shoot. He's the ONLY player on the team who can spark a comeback.

But I agree that they should of kept feeding Shaq. He set a good tone to the game during the early minutes, but was invisible for the rest of the 1st half.

minew_m
04-24-2004, 05:26 PM
I actually would have given the ball more to Kareem Rush. He is the best three point shooter on the team. Even Fisher is a better three point shooter than Kobe.

stalking_WOLF_21
04-24-2004, 06:20 PM
haha what happened to the lakers the other night man the t-wolves are doing better then them and they have never been out of the first round

minew_m
04-24-2004, 06:25 PM
The T-wolves are also facing the Nuggets who suck. Did you ever think of that?

insanefishpossay
04-24-2004, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
The T-wolves are also facing the Nuggets who suck. Did you ever think of that?

There's only a two game difference between the Nuggets and the Rockets, they can't suck that much.

stalking_WOLF_21
04-24-2004, 07:14 PM
and if the lakers were so good. THEN THEY SHOULD PROVE IT. and the wolves are first so they play a worse team the nuggets do not suck THE LAKERS SUCK.

podstock
04-24-2004, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
They should have kept giving the ball to Shaq. Not sure why Kobe kept on jacking up three after three in the fouth again. He's not playing Portland again. He won't always make that shot!

agree with Skyracer..

once you are down double digits in the 4th quarter on the road, and the team is not playing defense, the only recourse is to have Kobe jack up 3s in the 4th quarter.

no time to panice......

yet!

lol

podstock
04-24-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
I actually would have given the ball more to Kareem Rush. He is the best three point shooter on the team. Even Fisher is a better three point shooter than Kobe.

Kareem and Fisher certainly shoot the 3s better than Kobe....

and certainly, given how hot they are in the the playoffs this year, they should've been taking more 3s in the 4th quarter

podstock
04-24-2004, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
There's only a two game difference between the Nuggets and the Rockets, they can't suck that much.

Certainly, if the Lakers played the Nuggets, they'd destroy them

In the NBA, it's all about matchups.

the Nuggets have no one to match up to Shaq; Houston does

Houston has a speedy point guard in Francis, who does great pick-and-rolls, a weakness of the Lakers; Denver doesn't

Houston has several good 3-point shooters (Jackson, Mobley, Francis)...and since the Lakers do not play defense, it's easy to shoot the 3. Denver doesn't have the good shooters

So, while there may only be a 2-game difference b/t Houston and Denver, in the playoffs, it's a HUGE difference.

insanefishpossay
04-24-2004, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Certainly, if the Lakers played the Nuggets, they'd destroy them


Yeah, too bad they couldn't quite get that #1 seed. :)

podstock
04-25-2004, 12:07 AM
insanefishpossay - all they needed to do was just play defense, and they could've won 2 more games for that #1 seed.....

but not all is lost.

Lakers just have to want to play defense!

Good to see Dallas romp and stomp all over Sacramento!!

Now if only Memphis could win one lousy stinkin' playoff game

Just one!

insanefishpossay
04-25-2004, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by podstock
insanefishpossay - all they needed to do was just play defense, and they could've won 2 more games for that #1 seed.....



And I'm sure I could list things the wolves could have done to win more games too. I just haven't really thought about it, probilby because they won the #1 seed.

minew_m
04-25-2004, 10:21 AM
Hey stalking_WOLF_21. Did you watch any good games last night? I saw a good one between the Nuggets and the T-wolves, lol.

podstock
04-25-2004, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Hey stalking_WOLF_21. Did you watch any good games last night? I saw a good one between the Nuggets and the T-wolves, lol.

Minew -

I missed the game b/t #8 place Nuggets and #1 T-wolves, could you tell me briefly what happened?

I know that my Lakers lost Game 3 by 11 points or so, but we were within 4 points with 2 minutes to go in the 4th quarter and had a chance to win it before we ran out of gas in our comeback.

How did the Timberwolves do?

:o)

minew_m
04-25-2004, 02:20 PM
I think we could say the T-wolves ran out of gas. They were outplayed in the entire game. Earl Boykins (five foot five guard) was outhustling many of the Wolves for boards. He ended up with 4 on the night. That is one less than Minnesota's starting center, and just as much as their backup center!

The final score was 101-92. That was with all of the reserves in for the Nuggets. The lead was once a 19 point lead towards the end of third quarter. Cassell, Sprewell, and Kandi failed to reach double digits. I even think Cassell had only six points. Garnett had another great game but that was it for the Wolves.

For the Nuggets, on the other hand, were great. Every player that entered the game scored. The team was led by Melo with 25 points. Boykins also scored 21 points. How can the T-wolves not stop someone who is 5 foot 5 and constantely drives to the basket? If the Lakers play them, look for big games from Kobe and Payton. They love to drive to the basket! The Nuggets did this without Marcus Camby who didn't play. Imagine what they could have done with a defensive weapon like Camby in there?

insanefishpossay
04-25-2004, 02:25 PM
It was just one of those nights.

The wolves had won something like 11 in a row, you can't expect them to win every game.

Had it have been a close game, I would be grumbling about bad calls by the refs. Spreewell got leveled by nugget, no foul. Szczerbiak had nuggets jumping on his back, no foul. Many other times when there was clearly a foul, no foul. Yet it seems Olowokandi just had to look at Carmello Anthony to have the refs call a foul on him.

But it didn't really matter. It was just one of those nights where everything for Denver went in, and nothing for the Wolves would drop.

minew_m
04-25-2004, 02:28 PM
It's the playoffs! Many of those tick-tack fouls shouldn't be called. It was going both ways. Now the Nuggets have light. You know what that means. A team with confidence is VERY dangerous.

insanefishpossay
04-25-2004, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
It was going both ways.

Maybe it was, I didn't watch the fourth quarter, but it really wasn't going both ways when i was watching.



Originally posted by minew_m
Now the Nuggets have light.

As do the Rockets. If you're going to try and put down the wolves, at least think up arguments that don't apply to the Lakers as well.

stalking_WOLF_21
04-25-2004, 04:05 PM
man the wolves lost i'm pist off but you can't win them all. the lakers HOPEFULLY will lose game four (BUT HIGHLY DOUGHT IT)

stalking_WOLF_21
04-25-2004, 04:36 PM
man karl malone gets his jersey ripped (NOT ON PURPOSE) and almost started cring what a baby. he's made a living bracking peoples jaws and stuff and he gets his jersey ripped because this guy was going fall and servily crack his butt. then the next play the same guy who ripped the jersey blocked malone's chot and malone gets tied up
hahaha

minew_m
04-25-2004, 06:54 PM
Well well, look who just won!

podstock
04-25-2004, 09:40 PM
4/25/04: 92-88 Lakers in OT

wowowowow, I was ready to RIP, and I mean, TOTALLY RIP, Kobe for his ballhogging, for his BS 6 for 22 FG from the field, often shooting with 2-3 Rockets hanging with him when he could've passed to a hot Karl Malone......

but then, the Lakers pulled out the game in OT.

What a turnaround, for both teams!!

First, with the Lakers up by 14 late 3rd quarter,the Rockets scored 2 quickie layups to cut the lead to 10 going into the 4th quarter.

Then, while the Lakers were mired in another offensive funk, the Rockets and STeve Francis came alive to outscore the Lakers 22-12 to get game into OT.

Speaking of Francis, this is a guy picked in the 1st round (a very early pick; I thhink he may have been the #1 overall pick), and in the 4-6 years in the league, he hasn't done jack.

Yet, every time he made a bucket in the game, he posed and pumped up, like he won the NBA title! What the hell is Francis pumping for when his team is down in the series and down in the game? Francis is ALL style, and very LITTLE substance.

example #1: with 29 seconds left, he had the ball against Derek Fisher, keep dribbling, and totally missed the rim for his last second shot.

example #2: in OT, down 88-87, Francis quickly took the ball up the court, got pressured slightly by Fisher, and promptly dribbled the ball of his knee for a turnover

The analysis is that Steve Francis, while a great athlete and great player, will self-destruct in the clutch.....and if you watched game 4, you can see that. Of course, this was only Francis' 2nd career playoff game, and the Rockets will certainly be in more playoff games in the coming years.

This game was won in LARGE part to Karl Malone, with a RIDICULOUS 30 point and 13 rebound performance, and some tough, aggressive defense, including a technical he got for stalking Nakbar after Nakbar fouled Karl hard on a play; earlier, Malone undercut Nakbar as the latter made a driving layup

Karl was hot early, going 8-10, and cntinued so throughout the game, playing an incredible 48 of a possible 53 minutes (game went into OT)

Kobe scored 18 on 22 shots - yuck! But he made a key steal and basket in OT, with the Lakers down 4 points, then made another key dribble drive layup and free throw on the subsequent possession.

Shaq had 17 points and 12 boards, but wen 3-11 from the free throw line. THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS. SHAQ'S GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE HE IS NOT EVEN MAKING 33% FROM THE CHARITY STRIPE, and one game in the playoffs, we are going to pay for this.

I suspect that San Antonio will be the series where Shaq's terrible free throw shooting will result in me giving 50 cc to Wolf, as I do not believe the Lakers can play this type of game vs. the Spurs.

Lakers now up 3-1, and can close out the Series 3-0.

Right now, with Kobe in court that Wed, let's pray that either NY beats NJ or Memphis beats San Antonio (hahahahahahaha, not likely), otherwise, the game starts at 7 pm.

If either of the other series can be extended, then the Lakers game starts at 7:45 pm PST, meaning Kobe should make it back in time for the opening tip. If the game starts at 7, Kobe most likely won't make it back until late 1st quarter or early 2nd quarter

skyracer3
04-26-2004, 02:06 AM
Right now, with Kobe in court that Wed, let's pray that either NY beats NJ or Memphis beats San Antonio (hahahahahahaha, not likely), otherwise, the game starts at 7 pm.

Well that didn't happen. lol

stalking_WOLF_21
04-26-2004, 03:37 PM
watch game five kobe going to only shoot the ball like 5 times because his teamates are probally giveing him so much crap the other nite then the lakers will lose becaus eof this

minew_m
04-26-2004, 06:48 PM
The way their year has been going, I wouldn't be surprised!

podstock
04-27-2004, 01:19 PM
results are out for All NBA defensive team:

and Kobe made it for the 3rd consecutive year (he's got 3 total)

Duncan is on it

I forget who else made it

Given how badly Shaq is fading...if he plays 4-6 more years, will he regress so badly that Tim Duncan overtakes him as one of the better NBA centers?

After all, Duncan plays defense, Shaq does not
Duncan is a better free throw shooter, although not by much
Duncan has more offensive skills
Duncan is more reliable


Will the more years Shaq plays result in a "Ken Griffey Jr" kind of career, where induction into the Hall as a 1st ballot isn't guaranteed?

podstock
04-29-2004, 04:24 PM
4/29/04: Lakers blow away the Rockets by 19 points.

If we could bottle up that defensive performance in the 3rd quarter, when the Rockets scored 9 points (same as Kobe in the 3rd) and shot 12% -- that's right, 12%, NOT a mis-print.

An INCREDIBLE game by Kobe, who spent 3 days in Colorado courtroom, spent the whole day Wednesday in court, and flew back to LA, made it in time, was looking haggard, and scored 31 points, 10 assists and 6 rebounds.

a FANTASTIC performance!!

Karl chipped in with 18 points and 10+ boards
Shaq had similar stats

Devean and the bench helped out.....

what tremendous defensive performance in the 3rd, highlight by 3 Shaq blocks (2 of them on Yao) within a 4-minute span, and 4 steals by Devean George

But, enough about the Rockets - this was their 1st appearance for the majority of the team. and once Yao gets stronger, they will be tough to beat, assuming Steve Francis doesn't pose and strut after every basket.

Now, for the Spurs.

Shaq and Duncan will cancel each other out.
Spurs have the advantage in Tony Parker, who could likely go for 30 points a game
Lakers have the advantage in Kobe, who could go for 35+.

now, the question is:

can Gary Payton shut his mouth, stop pouting, and help shut down Parker? Can Fisher provide defense against Parker?

Will the Lakers defend the pick-and-roll? or will they just allow wide open jumpers to Parker?

If the Lakers play defense in the 1st and 2nd quarters, rather than playing defense in the 4th quarter after being down 15-19 points....they have the more talented team.

But, talent doesn't always = championship.......otherwise, the Yankees would've kept on winning title after title, rather than the Angels winning in 2002 and the Marlins in 2003

The lakers have GOT to play defense...if they don't, we will get blown out in 5 games.

If the Lakers play defense, we win in 5

end of story

it's all about DEFENSE

cardbuyer66
04-30-2004, 12:34 AM
Im confident in the Spurs :-)

cardbuyer66
05-02-2004, 04:08 PM
I felt Parker might outplay Payton in this series, one quarter in and so far he has. What a final shot! :-)

stalking_WOLF_21
05-02-2004, 06:56 PM
cardbuyer i need the card so can we sat bets of not because the lakers lost i was going to tell you sooner but i was gone all day

insanefishpossay
05-06-2004, 09:33 PM
So the Lakers drop two games, and suddenly the threads all quiet? Where'd you all go?

Silly Bandwago....err........... "fans".

minew_m
05-06-2004, 09:53 PM
insanefishpossay- I don't see a thread on your team?

stalking_WOLF_21
05-06-2004, 11:16 PM
because we don't have to if my team lost i whould still post on my thread but the way the spurs are playing good by lakers
and minew_m or our bet does this sound fare say the lakers get swept and the timberwolves have lost three and they won so would i get the card i betted with or what or do we keep both of ours plmk thanks

Eric

minew_m
05-07-2004, 07:01 AM
That's how it would work. If the Twolves get swept and the Lakers lose the series but win one game, I would get the card because they made it one game further and vice versa.

podstock
05-07-2004, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
So the Lakers drop two games, and suddenly the threads all quiet? Where'd you all go?

Silly Bandwago....err........... "fans".

what's there to say?

Shaq / Kobe / Payton / Malone all have made over $100M in their career

yet, they don't know how to play team basketball

Parker goes wild all over the Lakers and Kobe is quiet while Shaq hits 25% free throws?

it's disappointment / dismay

and I wait for next year

given how out of shape Shaq is, and how dramatically his free throw shooting is going down the tubes, he won't last for more than 3-4 years.

YOU CANNOT WIN WHEN ONE OF YOUR 2 PRIMARY SCORERS SHOOT 25% FREE THROWS

I AM A REALIST.....AND IT'S OVER

stalking_WOLF_21
05-07-2004, 04:37 PM
that's what happens when you get big name players

look at portland they had so many above average players and every body including my self thought they were going to be in the playoffs and win it all is was wrong just as you were with the lakers

minew_m
05-07-2004, 04:53 PM
They need to defend Parker. Payton can't defend him and it's obvious. They should put Kobe on him, but then he'd be too tired on the offensive end and he's probably gonna complain again. What I would do is put Fox on Parker. Parker is a lot quicker than Fox, but Fox can deny him the ball. Anyone remember what he did to Peja? Peja had one of his worst games of the season when Fox guarded him.

The problem isn't really with Shaq and Kobe when you look at it. They have won three championships together. And won with a lot less than they have now.

As for Shaq's FT shooting, I can take it. He's shooting 66% from the field. 2 out of every 3 shots he makes. I'd rather have that. They may be all around the paint but they aren't easy shots. Try making some hook shots when your double teamed or pushed half the time. Kobe on the other hand needs to make his free throws to compare to Shaq. He's shooting 39% from the field and 29% from three point land. If it weren't for his foul shots I'm not sure where they'd be. Also I really don't see why foul shots are an issue. The Lakers and Spurs miss about the same amount (Duncan and Parker can't really shoot all that well either from the foul line).

stalking_WOLF_21
05-07-2004, 05:00 PM
yeah i think fox would have trouble going through picks that the spurs love doing

minew_m
05-07-2004, 05:18 PM
It's worth a shot though. It's better than haveing Parker score 30 a night on Payton.

podstock
05-07-2004, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
They need to defend Parker. Payton can't defend him and it's obvious. They should put Kobe on him, but then he'd be too tired on the offensive end and he's probably gonna complain again. What I would do is put Fox on Parker. Parker is a lot quicker than Fox, but Fox can deny him the ball. Anyone remember what he did to Peja? Peja had one of his worst games of the season when Fox guarded him.


No no, there is absolutely no way Fox can guard Parker, even if Parker had a broken leg.

Fox can guard Peja b/c Peja is not that fast, and can't create off the dribble. Peja relies on his teammates to set screens for him.

If you watch the Kings play, you will see that the Kings always have 1 player on the right hand side of the key, and 1 on the left hand side - their job is to set screens for when Peja comes to their side.

Peja cannot create off the dribble. On the other hand, Parker can - that's his strong point.

Now, if you give Fox back his 4 years, then yes, Fox would have the quickness to keep up with Parker...now, at age 35 or so, and out for 1 year with a broken foot, he's not going to slow down, much less stop Parker.

As for Shaq, it's not his shooting from the field that is a concern.

As you well know, games b/t 2 good teams are usually close in the last 5-7 minutes of a ballgame.

What does that mean?

If you intentionally foul Shaq in the 4th quarter (but not under 2 minutes to go; otherwise, the Lakers can choose whoever they want shooting free throws - aka Kobe), you are GUARANTEED that Shaq at best will make 1 of 2 free throws, and the probability is VERY HIGH that Shaq misses both free throws.

So, let's say, at the 5 minute mark in the 4th quarter, Spurs have 6 possessions, and Lakers have 6 possession.

Let's say every possession of the Lakers results in someone intentionally fouling Shaq (say, the 12th man on the Spurs bench).... that means that Shaq shoots 12 free throws.

Well, this year, Shaq is shooting 49% free throws, and in the playoffs, it's about 35%. So, with 12 free throws, let's give Shaq the benefit of the doubt, and say he shoots 50%. That's 6 points.

Now, the Spurs have 6 possessions as well...with the lack of defense shown by the Lakers, it's highly likely the Spurs will score on 4 of their 6 possessions. So that's 8 points,.

There you have it in a nutshell: 8-6 Spurs.

See my point? All the Spurs need to do is keep the game close into the 4th, then roll out their 10th, 11th, and 12th guys to play Shaq - that's a total of 18 fouls the Spurs can give.

Shaq has PROVEN, GAME AFTER GAME, this year, that he makes 35-45% free throws.......

doesn't take a genius to figure out the Spurs can win, even if they play really badly.

Shaq has declined so badly, that it is incredible.

You know it, I know it, and every Lakers fan watching knows it.

For the last 4 years, Shaq has put on more weight, has gotten more and more out of shape, and his free throws have gotten more and more worse.

He's still big, but he's no longer dominant.

You cannot be considered dominant, when the other team can foul you, and you most likely won't make any of your free throws.

If I play against Shaq right now, I can beat him.

How?

I foul him intentionally every single time (assuming there's no rule for fouling out)...

then, when it's my turn to have the ball, I can shoot from the outside (Shaq never defends the outside shot) or if he does, by chance, move outside, I can dribble right past him.

This is Kobe time; this is Kobe's game, and Phil Jackson has got to stop emphasizing that Shaq gets the ball.

Come back and tell me differently when Shaq can hit 55% free throws.

You have no case when Shaq shoots 33% free throws.

If you've ever play any basketball, you know that shooting 33% from the free throw line is almost impossible to do.

You'd have to be SERIOUSLY BAD player to do that.

I haven't played basketball since I graduated from college (over 8 years ago)....but if you put me on the free throw line right now, cold, without me warming up, I could out-shoot Shaq from the free throw line.

My dead grandmother could make 3 out of 10 free throws.

You have no case in support of Shaq when he makes 3 free throws in 15 attempts.

Do like me, and shake your head, and focus on baseball.........

it's not over, and sure, the Lakers can win

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and I can get a date with the hottest supermodel (whoever she is at this moment) for Friday night.

minew_m
05-08-2004, 09:17 AM
Well you can also do the same on the other end. Foul Duncan. He shoots about 50% from the FT line. Hell even foul Nesterovic who's shooting 17% from the line in the Playoffs. He shot in the mid 40% range in the regular season. Both teams can't shoot foul shots equally. If the Lakers were smart, they could do the same and foul the Spurs men and win!

stalking_WOLF_21
05-08-2004, 11:56 AM
that wouldn't be smart the lakers only have so many big man if you get one or two on foul trouble it wouldn't help at all.

The only reason they foul shaq is because he'll make every almost everything he shoots if nesherovic gets fouled all the time WHY he only scores 5 or 6 pionts per game

minew_m
05-08-2004, 11:58 AM
When your in the penalty you can foul Rasha. It doesn't even have to be a big man to foul him. Stick in Walton or Cook. Once he touches the ball just hack him and make him go to the line and miss the shots.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-08-2004, 12:05 PM
if he ever gets the ball in the 4th duncan gets it unless some is wide open

stalking_WOLF_21
05-08-2004, 12:06 PM
and besides if put in cook and walton who do you have to back them up????

minew_m
05-08-2004, 02:47 PM
They haven't been using Walton and Cook that much (especially Cook).

podstock
05-08-2004, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Well you can also do the same on the other end. Foul Duncan. He shoots about 50% from the FT line. Hell even foul Nesterovic who's shooting 17% from the line in the Playoffs. He shot in the mid 40% range in the regular season. Both teams can't shoot foul shots equally. If the Lakers were smart, they could do the same and foul the Spurs men and win!

if you want to be specific

Shaq shoots 28% right now
Duncan shoots 50%

Rasho is irrelevant b/c he is not the Spurs #1 or #2 or even #3 option on scoring.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-08-2004, 03:25 PM
if the lakers stop being so offensive and get better at the defensive side they could very easy beat the spurs DO NOT HAVE A GOOD TEAM! I REPEAT THEY DO NOT HAVE A GOOD TEAM.

podstock
05-08-2004, 03:33 PM
hey wolf,

If I were you, I'd be very quiet

Your Wolves just lost a home game

The Lakers may be down 0-2, but we haven't lost a home game yet.

what will the Wolves do if they lose tonight at home, and go down 0-2 to Sacramento?

if you can't win on your home court, what makes you think you can win on someone's else's home court?

everyone knows it's easier to win at home than on the road

insanefishpossay
05-08-2004, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by podstock
hey wolf,

If I were you, I'd be very quiet

Your Wolves just lost a home game

The Lakers may be down 0-2, but we haven't lost a home game yet.

what will the Wolves do if they lose tonight at home, and go down 0-2 to Sacramento?

if you can't win on your home court, what makes you think you can win on someone's else's home court?

everyone knows it's easier to win at home than on the road

Exactly.

It's easy to put down the Lakers, but when the wolves are down 0-1, it'd just be setting myself up to look stupid later on.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-08-2004, 05:34 PM
tobad they had the second best away record so that shows you they don't need to win in there home court

minew_m
05-08-2004, 05:36 PM
You also have to look at Sacramento's home record which is pretty damn good.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-08-2004, 05:43 PM
and another thing PODSTOCK AND MINEW_M who's first? The \




TIMBERWOLVES
THATS RIGHT THE WOLVES AND THERE GOING TO PROVE IT AND I'M GOING TO GET A BOB SURA AUTO FROM MINEW_M

insanefishpossay
05-08-2004, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
You also have to look at Sacramento's home record which is pretty damn good.

And I believe we beat Sacremento IN Sacremento TWICE this season.

podstock
05-09-2004, 08:32 PM
well, the Lakers won....

but I didn't watch it. Was at the park with a friend

came home, couldn't believe the Lakers won by 24 or so points.

what the fark happened? Was Duncan and Parker injured?

Did the Lakers decide to play defense?

lololol....I did tape the game, so I'll watch it later tonight

stalking_WOLF_21
05-09-2004, 08:54 PM
well well the wolves on tied up series 1-1
the lakers also won but there still down
2-1

minew_m
05-09-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by podstock
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what the fark happened? Was Duncan and Parker injured?

Did the Lakers decide to play defense?




Duncan and Parker were both very ineffective! Payton played good defense and everyone decided to help out. The big four were tremendous. Lots of energy by everyone. At one point early on Shaq was even diving for balls on the floor.

The game was dominated by Shaq (28 points, 15 boards, 8 blocks, 6 assists). Hell, he even knocked down most of his free throws. He had a better percentage than the rest of the team, lol.

The tide has definitely turned. If they can keep up this energy, watch out!

podstock
05-09-2004, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
The tide has definitely turned. If they can keep up this energy, watch out!

this is their final homage to us fans

come Tuesday, everything will be back to norm - where the Lakers don't play defense, Shaq misses every free throws, Kobe shoots every other time, Parker runs around Payton until Gary collapses out of vertigo ....

and the series is over in 5 games.

Lakers have the potential to do what they just did in game 3.... but we all know that "potential" is just a euphemism for "you ain't done a damn thing yet"

minew_m
05-09-2004, 09:40 PM
I still have faith that they will win the series.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-09-2004, 10:27 PM
minew_m i can smell a bob sura auto coming in the mail because the timberwolves won the champioship
hahaha

minew_m
05-10-2004, 07:10 AM
stalking_WOLF_21- I highly doubt that they'll win the Championship. They struggled to win one game at home. They probably won't win one in Sacramento.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-10-2004, 11:12 AM
well it will be interseding when they do win one or two of those's games
wolves have the second best record (kinda first because there behind indiana on this one) and they have one two games this season at sac and won both one was in ot and the other was a fight to the finsh

cardbuyer66
05-10-2004, 12:07 PM
everyone can quit arguing over who in the East will win in all, the champs are going to come out of the East, the Pacers most-likely

stalking_WOLF_21
05-10-2004, 01:46 PM
are you sick cardbuyer66 that is kinda hopfull that the east could beat anyone of the west top four

cardbuyer66
05-10-2004, 05:58 PM
The east have a better chance of beating the West then the Wolves do of beating the Kings. Ill put 436 CC up against your 218CC that I get Kings for the series, or glady bet cards on it. Also, Im willing to bet cards (looking for in my favor cuz of the odds) that the East beats the west

The Pacers may be out, but they will make it farther then the Wolves. Im 100% sure of it

stalking_WOLF_21
05-10-2004, 08:25 PM
the pacers will get to the next round but they defently won't win against tayshaun prince and the piston GO TAYSHAUN!!!

cardbuyer66
05-10-2004, 08:31 PM
I'll bet you Indiana gets farther then the pistons. PM me if interested, I'll keep this off this thread because its the lakers fan thread. PM if interested though.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-10-2004, 08:39 PM
your box is full

stalking_WOLF_21
05-11-2004, 02:38 PM
yes the wolve sone what a game the wolves were up by a lot in about two minutes th kings cxame back and sent it to overtime!!! i almost pied my pants

insanefishpossay
05-11-2004, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
They probably won't win one in Sacramento.

Haha, wrong.

T-Wolves 3-0 in Sacremento this season.

podstock
05-12-2004, 05:43 PM
I am with Minew_m;

who'd thunk the Wolves would beat the Kings at Arco during the playoffs.

what you do in the regular season doesn't mean too much in the playoffs.

For instance, in the regular season of 2000, the Lakers were 0-4 vs. the Spurs.

Then, in the playoffs, with the Spurs having home court advantage, Kobe and Shaq promptly waxed the Spurs 4-0.

Bonds_25
05-12-2004, 05:46 PM
Doesn't matter where the Kings are they playing they can always choke. Free throws and rebounding continually kill them in big games, even Peja missed 3 free throws in Game 3. Kings will never win a championship until they learn to put pressure aside and play with a new intensity that is absent.

They must win tonight for them to have a shot against Minny, hopefully they can pull it out and get back on track.

podstock
05-12-2004, 05:48 PM
5/11/04: Lakers beat the Spurs 98-90

Kobe played one hell of a game, with 42 points on 15 of 27 shots, making shots all over the place, with Bruce Bowen tight on him. about 6 assists and 6 rebounds and NO turnovers in 42 minutes of action

This was a Kobe-esque game. Everyone talks about Jordan being sick and then having a great game. Try being in court for 3 days, not practicing with the team, then playing the game

Shaq had a great game and, more importantly, was 8-11 from the free throw line. THAT'S RIGHT, Shaq made 8 free throws, and he didn't have to shoot 100 of them to make 8.

No other Lakers scored double digits.

Duncan and Parker played better...and so did the Spurs, going with a 10-point lead at halftime. But, the Lakers (aka Kobe and Shaq) took over in the 2nd half, outscoring the Spurs by 28.

Now, it's 2 out of 3.

2 are at SBC Center, where the Lakers have never won in the playoffs in the past 2 years.

Lakers played great offense and defense...but this was at home.

I do not believe they can do it on the road.

next game: Thursday at SBC, 5 pm PST....look for a lackadaisical Lakers start, and them being down 10 points before you can say "Kobe"

stalking_WOLF_21
05-12-2004, 06:31 PM
the spurs ahd two lane violations which shaq got two extra points off of

minew_m
05-12-2004, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by podstock
This was a Kobe-esque game. Everyone talks about Jordan being sick and then having a great game. Try being in court for 3 days, not practicing with the team, then playing the game

Shaq had a great game and, more importantly, was 8-11 from the free throw line. THAT'S RIGHT, Shaq made 8 free throws, and he didn't have to shoot 100 of them to make 8.




That's right, Kobe-esque. People can stop refering to Jordan-esque. I hate it when people refer to Kobe as being Jordan like. They each are different people and I think Kobe is doing a better job nailing big shots. You also can't compare the two when they played in different times. Athletes are getting bigger, stronger, and faster. That means better defense on Kobe. Also, look how many big shots he's had in his career. Don't forget he only started in the 1996/97 season. Only 7 years in the league and three championships to show for it. That is quite amazing.

I was impressed with Shaq's free throws also, but more importantly his defense. He had four blocks and 14 rebounds. I love the energy that they are bringing. I'm just hoping they can win one at San Antonio. I'm not worried about home games anymore!

deveandepot1
05-12-2004, 07:33 PM
The kings wont win a championship for the next 5 seasons Webber is holding them back is rarely talked about but the kings have a much better record without Webber significantly better

The Lakers will win the Championship against Indiana this season and next season everyone resigns except Slava who goes to the clippers and averages 23 points a game 14 rebounds and 5.8 fouls and becomes the mip

stalking_WOLF_21
05-12-2004, 10:47 PM
yeah right the wolves are going to beet the kings and then kill the spurs

deveandepot1 hope you like this forum because all of those stupids laker fans i thought you would like it

minew_m
05-13-2004, 07:02 AM
stalking_WOLF_21 what happened to the T-wolves last night?

stalking_WOLF_21
05-13-2004, 01:17 PM
every body knew the were going to lose i thought it my self. they will come back and win two in min

cardbuyer66
05-13-2004, 01:45 PM
I hope the Spurs take out LA...just so I can rub it in all the LA fans faces on here! If Spurs win tonight, they will win Game 7 at home too. If they lose tonight, LA gets a break and will win game 6. GO Spurs!

stalking_WOLF_21
05-13-2004, 02:20 PM
i'm hoping the the spurs play thw olves what a match up

nectorvin vs candy/ervin
garnett vs duncan GOOD MATCH UP
turoklu vs sprewell/hassel
ginboli vs hassel/ sprewell
parker vs cassel this would be interseing

insanefishpossay
05-13-2004, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
stalking_WOLF_21 what happened to the T-wolves last night?

The wolves played like crap. They turned the ball over, didn't attack the basket at all, and were horrible in rebounding.

But when you look at how bad they played, and the fact they were playing against the Kings in ARCO Arena, then relize they only lost by 6 points.... they should have a good shot at closing out this series in minnesota.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-13-2004, 04:22 PM
good gosh garnett is good

19 points 21 rebounds it's a shame that garnett doesn't get the ball much now that the kings keep rotating webber, vlade, and miller thats hard to do because when one has foul trouble they'll go to the next best thing. Thats were the wolves cassel, hoiberg, hassel, and sprewell need to step up

podstock
05-13-2004, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
I hope the Spurs take out LA...just so I can rub it in all the LA fans faces on here! If Spurs win tonight, they will win Game 7 at home too. If they lose tonight, LA gets a break and will win game 6. GO Spurs!

but of course, if you were "banned", there would be no rubbing it in our faces, right?

hehehehehehe

podstock
05-14-2004, 06:25 PM
5/14/04: what an ASTOUNDING game

just farking TREMENDOUS.

After Tim Duncan hit that off-balance, fall-away 20-footer with Shaq all over him, I left my office in disgust....

and I missed Derek Fisher's shot live. Got to watch it on reply dozens of time...but missed it live.

I cannot believe what I just saw, and I still cannot believe it!!!

0.4 seconds left, Shaq covered; Kobe covered, and of all people, Derek throws up a miraculous shot.

Exactly one year ago today, Horry missed the 3-pointer that would've given us game 5 and probably an NBA Title....

Today, Fisher completes it.

wowowowowowowowowowowowowow!

If the Lakers show up (they don't even have to play great), and stay close at halftime on Saturday, they will win it all....

but if the Lakers decide not to play (which was their norm this year), and the Spurs get a 20-point lead at any point in the game, then we are gonna see a game 7, and a victory by the Spurs.

Winner of this series wins the NBA title -- everything is at stake this coming Saturday

wowowowowowow

I cannot believe what I saw (on replay, that is), since I missed it live.

Devean George was awesome as well, with 16 points, and 4-7 three-pointers

Malone had 12 rebounds and 9 points
Payton had 7 assists, including the last one to Fisher
Kobe had 22 points, played 47 of 48 minutes, and needed 2 bags of IV after the game - he was that dead-tired....

but this was DEREK FISHER ALL THEY WAY

He may have saved the Lakers franchise, b/c if they win the NBA Title, there is no doubt Kobe stays

minew_m
05-14-2004, 06:34 PM
What a game. I almost missed the shot also. Once I saw Duncan hit that shot I started cleaning up my room (had bags of chips and soda cans all over the place, lol). I went to go put that stuff in the trash and then went back to my room to see what else was on TV. If it weren't for all the timeouts that were called I would have missed it. I saw Payton had the ball on the sideline and decided to look and see how off the shot would be. Hell, I didn't even think they would get a shot. Then Payton tries to go to Kobe but he is covered. He gazed at Shaq for the lob and he was covered. Then comes Fisher running into the picture. He got the ball, threw it up, and now the rest is history. That was the best game I have ever seen, and to think I almost missed it. It gives me goosebumps just thinking about it, lol!

minew_m
05-14-2004, 06:37 PM
Hey Pod, you having trouble posting or something? It posted three times. Or maybe your just too excited about the win, lol.

Now only if Sacramento can win tonight!

podstock
05-14-2004, 06:54 PM
Minew -- lolol...oops, sorry about that

call it: Premature Joculation

HEHEHEHE

We haven't won anything, and heck, we could very well lose game 6 and game 7

but game 5 was crucial, and to go into SA and win there for the first time ever in the playoffs, and to put that dagger in their hearts ...... we should'nt have a problem this past Saturday

minew_m
05-14-2004, 07:13 PM
Hopefully there won't be a problem Saturday. The last thing we need is to give SA more hope!

cardbuyer66
05-15-2004, 01:34 AM
If the Spurs win game 6 they'll take the Series in 7. I dont see it happening though. What a shot by Fisher, could be devestating to the Spurs season

stalking_WOLF_21
05-15-2004, 02:27 AM
that was a crazy game greg popovich said it was the sickest losest he ever lost i would say the same when you 7 ft 1 pf shoots up a shot that go ins in with 0.4 of a second left. fisher hits the game winner

podstock
05-15-2004, 02:47 PM
and who knew (except Eric) that the Wolves would be leading this series 3-2. I thought the series would be over by game 5, taken by the Kings.

the turning point was in game 2, when the Kings had that 14 point lead with 5 minutes to go......and lost

that gave the Wolves hope, and all you need is hope

stalking_WOLF_21
05-15-2004, 03:37 PM
to be honest with you i didn't think they were going to beat them if they win sunday it will be huge now i'm starting to think that there going to play against lakers. what a series that would be

podstock
05-15-2004, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
to be honest with you i didn't think they were going to beat them if they win sunday it will be huge now i'm starting to think that there going to play against lakers. what a series that would be

all that matters is that you called it, and posted it here for all to see. You were one of the very few to say the Wolves were going to win. I thought and said that the Wolves would be dominated by the Kings in 5 games

and I think the Wolves, if they stay close to the Kings Sunday (within 6-8 points in late 3rd quarter and beyond), they have a great shot to close it out.

Naturally, I and the other Lakers fans will be rooting for 3 OT this coming Sunday and a Kings victory.

Then, in game 7, I would like to see 5-8 OT.

I don't care who we play, I just want everyone extremely exhausted when that series is over.

Now, having said that, the Lakers match up extremely well vs. the Wolves.

1. Wolves don't have a big guy who can score and put pressure on Shaq to defend on the offensive end. So, Shaq can just roam around and block shots.

2. KG is too skinny to guard Shaq, and while he's much more athletic and fast and quick than Karl...Malone should be able to wear him down physically as the series goes on

3. Payton and Cassell are both 2 old folks, so they cancel each other out.

4. Sprewell poses a problem, but nothing that Devean George can't handle and Kobe as a last resort.

5. I don't even know who the other forward on the Wolves team is, lololol.

6. The X-factor is Troy Hudson, who burned the Lakers left and right in last year's playoffs. Guards who are quick give the Lakers trouble.


Now, the Kings pose a tougher matchup for the Lakers

1. Brad Miller is a good outside shooter, so Shaq has to guard him; then Vlade can always get 1-2 fouls on Shaq by flopping.

2. Bibby will run circles around Payton, and much like the last 3-4 years, he's very clutch vs. the Lakers

3. Webber and Malone cancel each other out, mainly b/c Webber is still hobbling from his knee injury. If Webber is healthy, he'll easily outplay Karl..but not now.

4. If Peja gets hot, watch out. Devean and Rick play great defense...but Peja is like Larry Bird --- when both are hot, it doesn't matter who's guarding them, they just shoot from farther and farther out.

5. Christie always gives Kobe trouble, what with his dirty tactics of slapping Kobe in the face once the shot is released. I don't see why the refs don't call this a foul?!?!?


If the Kings play the Lakers, it's Lakers in 6

If the Wolves play the Lakers it's Lakers in 5, perhaps even a sweep if the Lakers decide to play defense in all games.

homecourt advantage doesn't matter to the Lakers

They blew out SA in 2000 when SA had homecourt, 4-0
They beat Sacramento in 2002 when Kings had homecourt, 4-3.

The past is the past...but remember that Shaq, Kobe, Fisher, Fox are the key players in 2002, 2002 and they are still here in 2004. So, home court doesn't mean much.

homecourt only matters when you have an inexperienced team playing in the playoffs for the first time

cardbuyer66
05-15-2004, 06:39 PM
3. Payton and Cassell are both 2 old folks, so they cancel each other out.

I disagree there, Cassell stat-wise is doing a lot better, and he will step his game up.

Im still hoping SA can win tonight, and have a home game 7 against LA

Wolves are going to advance, so are the Pacers. I hope for NJ and SA, but I only think NJ will, if SA wins tonight I think they also win game 7 at home

podstock
05-15-2004, 07:20 PM
Here are Cassell's post-season stats 2004, per game:

18.9 points, 5.1 assists, 3.1 rebounds and 0.9 steals
45.6% FG, 82.5% FT in about 36.5 minutes a game


Here are Payton's numbers, per game:

8.1 points, 5.2 assists, 3.6 rebounds, and 1.2 steals
34.4% FG and 75% FT in about 35.2 minutes a game

Now, here are Bibby's numbers:
20.9 points, 6.6 assists, 3.7 rebounds and 2 steals
42% FG and 89% FT in about 41 minutes


Consider that Bibby is absolutely clutch against the Lakers; if you watched the past 3-4 playoffs years, you CANNOT deny that.
Bibby makes clutch shot after clutch shot.

Cassell is much older than Bibby, is slower, and not the player he was back when Houston won its back-to-back titles.

Thus, Payton will no doubt cancel out Cassell, whereas with Bibby, that's not going to happen.

insanefishpossay
05-15-2004, 08:09 PM
Cassell and Payton may cancel each other out during the first three quarters, but you'd better watch out for Sammy in the fourth.




Originally posted by podstock
6. The X-factor is Troy Hudson, who burned the Lakers left and right in last year's playoffs. Guards who are quick give the Lakers trouble.


Lucky for you guys, Hudson is out for the playoffs, he had ankle surgery.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-15-2004, 09:05 PM
yeah you can keep voting out cassel.
but you guys aren't seeing the the good part about him he's like 39 or 40 and he has scored 40 pionts in two games this year

sprewell is struggling every three or four games he scores 30 but in the games he dosen't he scores 6

troy hudson is out

wally
needs to step now that he is back so does the candy man if they were to play the lakers

shaq
watch ot theres 340 pounds of fat coming your way!!! yeah you know who i'm talking about OLIVER MILLER
he'll help big time when it come to shaq because it will giv ervin johnson AND THE CANDY MAN RESTING TIME

minew_m
05-16-2004, 12:35 PM
What a game last night. The Lakers dominated. Half the time I didn't even notice the Spurs were playing. The Lakers played perfect ball.

Shaq and Kobe ran the show again. Within the last minute Kobe had a dunk over Duncan which gave the final blow to the Spurs. Kobe scored 26 and have 7 rebounds and 7 assists. He actually shot 50%!!!!

Shaq had an awesome night. 17 points, 19 boards, and five blocks.

Looks like the hack a Shaq doesn't work all that well. I think Shaq said it best, he makes them when it counts. He was something like 1 of 7 before the hack a Shaq started with three minutes in the 4th. He made 6 of 8 to end the game.

cardbuyer66
05-16-2004, 01:36 PM
Well put, great game by LA and the dunk did end it.

in my honest opinion the clock wasnt done right at the end of the game, should have been .3, and or started the least bit late which ended that game. I feel the series should be 3-3 and they should be getting ready for game 7

LA moves on though, I hope they lose the next series, but dont see it happening

LA and Pacers in the finals :-) Pacers/Nets are 2 teams I really like, Im looking forward to seeing the finals. Ill stick with either of them to upset LA and win the title. GO EAST! :-)

Someone knock off LA before the finals :-)

podstock
05-16-2004, 01:56 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
Lucky for you guys, Hudson is out for the playoffs, he had ankle surgery.

oh, I wasn't aware of that.

that's too bad, b/c Hudson was destroying the Lakers in last year's playoffs.

He was like Mike Bibby, albeit with less experience, and he definitely would've helped the Wolves this year vs. the Lakers

podstock
05-16-2004, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
Well put, great game by LA and the dunk did end it.

in my honest opinion the clock wasnt done right at the end of the game, should have been .3, and or started the least bit late which ended that game. I feel the series should be 3-3 and they should be getting ready for game 7


First of all, to paraphrase Tom Hanks in A League of their Own: THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASKETBALL

Second....the Washingpost.com, ESPN.com, and CNNSI.com did a frame by frame freezing of the shot clock after Duncan's shot, and there should have been 0.9 seconds left.

The refs didn't even bother to look at replays to confirm this, and instead left it at 0.4

Third...Duncan made 2 lucky shots. If YOU watched the game, perhaps you will remember that with about 3 minutes to go, Duncan went up for a shot, Shaq went to block it, Duncan double-clutched and then banked in the shot. Immediately after Duncan shot the ball, he ran in as if to rebound it.

we ALL know that ballplayers, once they release the ball and start running toward the basket - that means they know the ball was shot badly.

And we all know about the 2nd lucky shot, a 22-footer, fadeaway, fall-down hurl shot.

EVEN GREG POPOVICH ADMITTED THAT DUNCAN'S 2 SHOTS WERE AS MIRACULOUS AS FISHER'S 1 SHOT.

Fourth.....game is over, and you can't cry about it. Spurs, after game 1 & 2, were dominated in games 3-6. Even in game 5, the Lakers outplayed the Spurs to the tune of a 16-point lead before fading out in the 4th quarter.

And, while the Lakers made the adjustment defensively to crowd Parker into the lane, allow other Spurs to shoot wide open 3-pointers, and muscle up on Duncan.

The Spurs, had they shot 45% from the field, would've won the series. Instead, they were shooting in the low to high 30%.

This was a game that the Lakers made the defensive adjustments in games 3-6...whereas the Spurs had no counter for that.

And in game 6, Spurs missed wide open shots after wide open shots.

Parker needs to develop a consistent jump shot. Devin Brown needs to work on his shot, as he did very well.

THERE IS NO CRYING OVER SPILLED MILK.

oh, and did you see Bruce Bowen trying to trip Kobe every time Kobe went right past him in games 4, 5, and 6?

Kobe has a deep gash on his right leg that was hidden by a large Lakers leg brace -- that came from one of Bowen's trip.

In short...Lakers advance b/c they made offensive and defensive adjusments. Spurs go fishing and golfing b/c they couldn't counter the strategy.

minew_m
05-16-2004, 02:12 PM
Well put Pod. I heard about that .9 thing and no one seems to mention it. They also forget to mention the Duncan shots also which are pretty darn lucky. As Shaq said "One lucky shot deserves another!"

stalking_WOLF_21
05-16-2004, 04:34 PM
for entertainment i would pick lakers wolves but if a wanted an easy win for the spurs i would pick the spurs

insanefishpossay
05-16-2004, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by podstock
First of all, to paraphrase Tom Hanks in A League of their Own: THERE'S NO CRYING IN BASKETBALL

...

THERE IS NO CRYING OVER SPILLED MILK.



And you'd be sounding pretty hypocritcal had that one post of yours not been deleted.

You remember, right? After the lakers lost the first game? I'd say that was pretty close to "crying", although it was hard to tell with all the profanity.

Good to see you're all climbing back on the bandwagon.

cardbuyer66
05-16-2004, 05:01 PM
lol, I dont really care I was just saying I feel it should be game 7. Also, something you fail to mention when you say the Kings will do better then the Wolves is that the Wolves will/would have home court, if the Kings play them...LA will have home court. Minnesota will do better with home court then Kings would do if LA had home court

stalking_WOLF_21
05-16-2004, 06:20 PM
the wolve splayed horable they did not play good at all

podstock
05-16-2004, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
And you'd be sounding pretty hypocritcal had that one post of yours not been deleted.

You remember, right? After the lakers lost the first game? I'd say that was pretty close to "crying", although it was hard to tell with all the profanity.

Good to see you're all climbing back on the bandwagon.

first, another Mod decided to play Big Brother and deleted my thread.

second...oh, yea, I was mad, absolutely mad...but I wasn't crying. I was so farking mad b/c I knew the Lakers had the ability to play good, tough, hard defense, and they didn't.

There's a big difference b/t not being able to play pro ball (like you and me) and not caring about playing ball (like the Lakers). When you make over $20M a year (like Shaq and eventually Kobe), you MUST give it your all at all times. How many jobs can you name where you are guaranteed millions, regardless of performance?

third, it's nice to be back on the bandwagon.

Once upon a time, there used to be players who had to earn their way to rich contracts. Players who stayed with their teams rather than demanding trades (a la Ken Griffey Jr and A. Rod)

Now, you've got 20-year-olds like Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler making $6-12M a year, even though they've accomplished as much as you or I. Hell, you, I or Minew could be on the Chicago Bulls for the last 2-3 years, and there wouldn't be any difference in team records.

In this day and age where athletes go where the money is, there's no need for loyalty; there's no need to be a life-long fan.

again, I reiterate - it's great to be back on the Lakers bandwagon, b/c I jumped off it after game 1.

but, I am sure you, being the astute person you are, knew that the Lakers could beat the Spurs in 4 straight games after going down 0-2.

and in case you aren't astute enough to pick up on it, I love sports, and am very emotional about sports. Hence, my curse-filled post right after the Lakers blew game 1, a game where they had a 5-point lead in the 4th quarter, only to get dominated and lose.

Ever since athletes became like A. Rod, and make $25M a year (he sure did a hell of a lot for Texas in his 4 years there, didn't he, what with 4 straight years of last place)...... there's no need to maintain loyalty at all

podstock
05-16-2004, 08:40 PM
5/16/04 update: as I had hoped, the Kings beat the Wolves, and there will be a game 7 on Wednesday.

I don't care who wins....the most important 2 factors are this:

1. either team will be exhausted come Friday, when game 1 of the West Conference Finals is played

2. Lakers will have Sunday-Thursday to relax, rewind, somewhat heal their injuries, and work on their game. Kobe will be fully rested; same for Shaq. Karl will have time to heal his injuries. The Lakers reserves will have time to continue practicing.

I am rooting for Wednesday's game to go into OT, preferably 3 or more OTs. I want both teams absolutely exhausted by the time Wed's game ends.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-16-2004, 08:47 PM
wolves will be on weel chairs and the would still win

minew_m
05-16-2004, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by podstock
5/16/04 update: as I had hoped, the Kings beat the Wolves, and there will be a game 7 on Wednesday.

I don't care who wins....the most important 2 factors are this:

1. either team will be exhausted come Friday, when game 1 of the West Conference Finals is played

2. Lakers will have Sunday-Thursday to relax, rewind, somewhat heal their injuries, and work on their game. Kobe will be fully rested; same for Shaq. Karl will have time to heal his injuries. The Lakers reserves will have time to continue practicing.

I am rooting for Wednesday's game to go into OT, preferably 3 or more OTs. I want both teams absolutely exhausted by the time Wed's game ends.

I hope that is the case. I also hope the Queens can win so I can pick up my winnings on a few bets!

insanefishpossay
05-16-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by podstock

There's a big difference b/t not being able to play pro ball (like you and me) and not caring about playing ball (like the Lakers). When you make over $20M a year (like Shaq and eventually Kobe), you MUST give it your all at all times. How many jobs can you name where you are guaranteed millions, regardless of performance?

...

Once upon a time, there used to be players who had to earn their way to rich contracts. Players who stayed with their teams rather than demanding trades (a la Ken Griffey Jr and A. Rod)

Now, you've got 20-year-olds like Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler making $6-12M a year, even though they've accomplished as much as you or I. Hell, you, I or Minew could be on the Chicago Bulls for the last 2-3 years, and there wouldn't be any difference in team records.

In this day and age where athletes go where the money is, there's no need for loyalty; there's no need to be a life-long fan.


Very true and well said.




and in case you aren't astute enough to pick up on it, I love sports, and am very emotional about sports. Hence, my curse-filled post right after the Lakers blew game 1, a game where they had a 5-point lead in the 4th quarter, only to get dominated and lose.


I've felt that way too. You can't be a fan of the minnesota vikings and not feel that way ;) I still have those ugly feelings from last season, going 0-4 against the four worst teams in the NFL, and don't even bring up that game against arizona :(

As for your post, what I wanted to know is if any other user(as in someone other than a high allmighty mod) made a post similar to that, would it be tolerated?

insanefishpossay
05-16-2004, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
I hope that is the case. I also hope the Queens can win so I can pick up my winnings on a few bets!

I've noticed how you all like to refer to them as the "Queens"... pretty strong language considering your lakers only went 1-3 against them this season.

minew_m
05-16-2004, 09:46 PM
They'll always be the "Queens" until they win a Championship. They they can earn the name the "Kings."

stalking_WOLF_21
05-16-2004, 10:26 PM
hahahahahahaha
i'm a cardinals fan and it was sweet for them to win there first game (if you know what i mean)

podstock
05-16-2004, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
As for your post, what I wanted to know is if any other user(as in someone other than a high allmighty mod) made a post similar to that, would it be tolerated?

you are allowed to post anything you want, as long as you don't insult a member of our site.

While my post of despair right after game 1 was ladened with curse words....

if you recall, none of it was directed at anyone here. It was fully directed at the LA Lakers, and I am sure that they have better things to do than be hurt by my words.

You can say whatever you want, as long as you're not insulting folks here

podstock
05-16-2004, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
I've noticed how you all like to refer to them as the "Queens"... pretty strong language considering your lakers only went 1-3 against them this season.

now, seriously, do you think that the 1-3 record (vs. both the Kings and Wolves) really mean anything in the playoffs?

in game 1 vs. Sac, neither Shaq nor Kobe played.

same for game 1 vs MN

regular season records have no meaning against experienced, talented teams like the Lakers.

You look at Sacramento right now, assuming they win Wed:

1. Bobby Jackson won't be playing vs. the Lakers
2. Webber is still gimpy
3. Peja and Bibby are struggling mightily

Those are the 4 players the Kings need to beat Lakers. They need to be at the top of their games. If the Kings couldn't beat the Lakers from 2000-2002 (Lakers and Kings both eliminated in 2003), what makes anyone think it will happen this year, when their key player, Webber, has stated he's playing at 60% capacity?


Then, you look at Minnesoat, assuming they win Wed:

1. Troy Hudson killed the Lakers last year with his quickness, scoring 30+ in 2 of the 5 games. This year, with more experience, he assuredly would've done the same. But, Hudson, as Eric / Stalking Wolf pointed out, is out with ankle surgery

2. Wolves, unlike the Kings, don't have a center who can score, so Shaq doesn't have to play defense and can roam around. Michael Olowakandi was brought in...but he's been so ineffective that Mark Madsen has been the #2 center behind Ervin Johnson

3. Sam Cassell has a bad, stiff lower back. While he can still play, if you watched the last 2-3 games, he can barely move down the court. Look at how stiff and straight up he is when limping down court.

So, given the Payton and Cassell are 2 aging stars, they'll cancel each other out.

Now, you've got Sprewell and KG vs Shaq, Kobe, Malone

Bonds_25
05-17-2004, 01:05 AM
Originally posted by podstock

1. Bobby Jackson won't be playing vs. the Lakers
3. Peja and Bibby are struggling mightily


I wouldn't count on Jackson, there is still talk he may be in for game 7 Wednesday in Minnesota. I assume if the Kings win he may just try and get back for the Lakers.

Did you watch the game today? Peja and Bibby both were very strong. Peja hit the big three to end the first half and Bibby sparked a huge run in the second qtr to take away the lead from the Twolves. Both had around 20 points, Bibby is always clutch so I would never count him out. Peja is a different story, can be really good or really bad.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-17-2004, 02:03 AM
podstock i don't agree with you one bit when it you were saying stuff about the wolves
the wolves are the only team in the playoffs (in the west) that plays there bench sac they play seven and the lakers only because there players are ready to collapse if they stay out there to long.
the wolves play ther bench they play candy and madsen the same hudson and wally if healthy play the most
they have a long bench and a good one

trent
madsen
miller
candy
hudson
wally
hoiberg

starters

sprewell
kg
johnson
hassel
cassel

podstock
05-17-2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Bonds_25
I wouldn't count on Jackson, there is still talk he may be in for game 7 Wednesday in Minnesota. I assume if the Kings win he may just try and get back for the Lakers.


Bobby Jackson is a non-factor.

As you well know, when you are a professional athlete, get injured, miss a significant amount of time, there's NO way you come back and be half effective

Take a look at Chris Webber. He missed 1/2 to 3/4 of the season, and has been playing since then. But even he has admitted he's only 60% or so of his ability. Announcers have mentioned how slow he is compared to his former self. And if you look at his stats, you can see how ineffective he is.

Shaq had the same abdominal injury that Bobby Jackson had, and missed practically the entire season several years ago.

If Bobby Jackson were able to come back, don't you think the Kings would have him on the floor now?

He won't be playing in game 7, and it's highly unlikely he'll play at all in the West Finals.

He did make one appearance in April after missing about 1-2 months, played one game, then didn't play again due to extreme abdominal pain the next day.

podstock
05-17-2004, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
podstock i don't agree with you one bit when it you were saying stuff about the wolves
the wolves are the only team in the playoffs (in the west) that plays there bench sac they play seven and the lakers only because there players are ready to collapse if they stay out there to long.
the wolves play ther bench they play candy and madsen the same hudson and wally if healthy play the most
they have a long bench and a good one

trent
madsen
miller
candy
hudson
wally
hoiberg

starters
sprewell
kg
johnson
hassel
cassel

First, Olowokandi is useless. He has been playing less and less in the Sac series as Mark Madsen is now the #2 center behind Ervin Johson.

Second, Troy Hudson is out due to ankle surgery. He's not playing.

Third, Oliver Miller is just going to play and use his 6 fouls on Shaq

Fourth, Wally is still hurting, and has been pretty much a non-factor in the Sac series

Fifth - we'll see how Sam Cassell is feeling once the West Finals starts. He's hooked up to a stimulator every time he goes back to the bench during timeouts, and he runs with a noticeable limp. You can't be guarding Payton and definitely not Kobe when you are limping.

The only way the Wolves beat the Lakers is if the Lakers don't play defense and KG and Sprewell play the games of their playoff lives

stalking_WOLF_21
05-17-2004, 06:04 PM
FOR ONE wally hasn't played well because he was injured the hole series against the kings and his first game back he scored 13 or a 11 points

podstock
05-17-2004, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
FOR ONE wally hasn't played well because he was injured the hole series against the kings and his first game back he scored 13 or a 11 points

did you watch last year's playoffs?

Wally stunk up the joint. You know it, I know it, and even the announcers on TV said it.

Wally is a catch and shoot guy. He CANNOT dribble drive, stop and shoot. He has to go around screens, get open, get the ball and shoot.

So, when you put someone like Devean George on him, you can stop Wally.

Wally should've improved on his dribbling skills and penetration skills.....but over the years, he hasn't.

Wally is a non-factor

stalking_WOLF_21
05-17-2004, 08:33 PM
did you see him last night against sac he played great you probably didn't even watch it. he had most of his points driving with a sore back

podstock
05-18-2004, 02:27 PM
I saw the Sac-Wolves game this past Sunday

Wally was just average

let's call a spade a spade

no need to hype a player

stalking_WOLF_21
05-18-2004, 06:23 PM
no resson to put the player down ether
wally did great considering he has been injured most of the playoffs and regular season. And besides you try playing against a team that is dirty and play agressive with a big thing around your stomach

podstock
05-20-2004, 12:30 AM
5/19/04 update: holy fark, the Wolves take game 7, 83-80 as Garnett scores 32 on his 28th birthday

a TREMENDOUS victory by the Wolves, who've never advanced past the 1st round before this season

Now, they are 4 wins away from the Finals

Game 1 vs the Lakers is this Friday

my prediction: Lakers in 5

stalking_WOLF_21
05-20-2004, 12:48 AM
my prediction
don't have one except for the wolves beating them

cardbuyer66
05-20-2004, 12:38 PM
My Prediction:Lakers in 5 or 6
My hope:Either LA in a hard fought 6 or 7, or Wolves to win....so the Pacers can beat the Pistons/Nets and then beat the Wolves to win it all

insanefishpossay
05-20-2004, 09:38 PM
Great game by the wolves.

Sadly, LA has a very good chance of winning the next series.

Wolves don't have anyone to stop Shack.

Maybe Olowokandi will learn how to play the game of basketball, but i'm not holding my breath.

Sam Cassell is really hurting, it's amazing how well he played in Game 7. Sore Back, Bad Hip, Ruptured Ear Drum....

Hopefully it'll at least be an exciting series.

podstock
05-22-2004, 12:24 AM
Final score: Lakers 97-88 in game 1, over the Wolves

as expected the Lakers won.

it was a close game, and undoubtedly if Cassell had played in the 4th quarter, the game might have been closer or even the wolves victory.

this game was won in the 3rd quarter, when the Lakers bench, led by Derek Fisher and Rush, helped Lakers outscore the Wolves by 9.

Shaq had a TREMENDOUS game, with 27 points, 18 boards, and a 9-11 free throw shooting. THAT'S RIGHT, SHAQ MADE 9 FREE THROWS IN 11 TRIES

holy fark!!!

even Kobe missed more free throws than Shaq did, lololol.

Karl had a TREMENDOUS game, scoring 17 points on 8-13 shooting with 11 boards and 4 assists for this 40-y/o guy!!
wowowowowowow!! What a job he did on KG, who score 16 points on 7-15 shooting and 10 boards.

In the Lakers 1980s-2000s, we've never had a power forward the caliber of a Karl Malone, and even at 40-y/o, Karl is proving that he's not riding the coattails of Shaq and Kobe to the title.

what a FANTASTIC game by Karl, something I did not expect. I was hoping Karl would hold KG to about 30 points and score 15 points himself!

Kobe had an average game, with 23 points on 9-20 shooting and making 5-8 free throws, with 3 boards and 6 assists in 45 minutes

Fisher was awesome off the bench, with 14 points on 5-9 shooting with several 3-pointers! This guy is performing like in 2001, when he made 16 3-pointers in a 4-game sweep of the Spurs

Sprewell played well, with 23 points on 8-15 shooting...but at least he didn't go off for 30

but, I admit this:

1. Wolves were tired, and didn't have time to catch their breath... that hurt them in the 2nd half. Wolves did well in the 1st half, falling behind by only 2 points at halftime...but it caught up to them in the 3rd quarter

2. Cassell didn't play at all in the 4th quarter, when the Wolves were as close as 2 points. No doubt, the Wolves could've used Cassell's outside shooting

3. Troy Hudson is out due to ankle surgery. Hudson provides quickness and shooting ability in the mode of Bibby, Ginobili, etc... guards who terrorized the Lakers slow and old guards Fisher and Payton

Wolves need game 2..if they lose, it's over.

The Lakers could've lost 2 games (like they did with the Spurs) and still won the series...

but don't forget, before this year, Wolves couldn't get out of the 1st round....now, they're in the West Conference Finals.

cardbuyer66
05-22-2004, 12:35 AM
Do you think LA might let down the second game? I won a lot on the first quarter bets but got greedy and lost half it back in the second half, even though I knew LA would win the halftime spread, I just hoped Minnesota would. Im unsure if LA will come out and win game 2, or kind of sit back. I dont doubt that LA can almost win at will in this series, I just dont know when they're going to come out and play there hardest and when they may just, well, take a game off

minew_m
05-22-2004, 09:33 AM
To tell you the truth, it just looked like the Lakers were coasting. They really only played defense when they needed to. Kobe wasn't really shooting all that much either. We all know he can take over a game when he wants to. Shaq really didn't go up and contest all that many shots like he did in the past. And they really weren't guarding Wally. They were forcing him to make shots instead of putting it in the hands of KG or Spreewell.

I think this will be a short series (hopefully even a sweep).

insanefishpossay
05-22-2004, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by podstock
but, I admit this:

1. Wolves were tired, and didn't have time to catch their breath... that hurt them in the 2nd half. Wolves did well in the 1st half, falling behind by only 2 points at halftime...but it caught up to them in the 3rd quarter


Wolves were very tired, especially KG. KG played amazingly in game 7 against sacramento... but he played in 46 minutes that game.

There were times when KG was just walking up court, you could tell he was exhausted.



2. Cassell didn't play at all in the 4th quarter, when the Wolves were as close as 2 points. No doubt, the Wolves could've used Cassell's outside shooting


Flip Saunders asked Cassell if he could go back in and play during the 4th quarter. Sam said no. He must be hurting if he says he can't play. The game would have been at least a lot closer had Sam been able to play.



3. Troy Hudson is out due to ankle surgery. Hudson provides quickness and shooting ability in the mode of Bibby, Ginobili, etc... guards who terrorized the Lakers slow and old guards Fisher and Payton


T-Wolves fans aren't using Hudson being out as an excuse. He's been out for most of the season really, we've learned to live without him. It sure would be nice to have him back though, especially now that Sam's hurting and KG's exhausted.

cardbuyer66
05-22-2004, 11:16 AM
It sounds dumb, but maybe only play KG if you're ahead in game 1? Now game 2 is coming right up, and he will be tired for that one too. He played 45 mins in game one, which most likely turn around and makes him tired again. I see LA as possibly sweeping this series, definately winning it, and they were coasting through most of game 1. I'm thinking of using the same strategy for game 2, picking the Wolves to win the first quarter, and maybe score 10 first again, and then taking LA to win the second half and the game. I dont think this will be much of a series

podstock
05-22-2004, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
I dont think this will be much of a series

You know why this won't be much of a series?

1. Olowakandi has no heart. He's the biggest waste of talent in a big man since Benoit Benjamin (ironically, another Clippers player). Look at what he was able to do in game 1, despite sitting out most of the Kings series - 8 points in 1st quarter, and 11 boards for the game.

Now, why can't he dedicate himself to performing at this level his entire career?

b/c most players with guaranteed contracts could care less about playing. every so often, you see a KG and a Kobe, who play as if they are on a day-to-day contract.

2. Cassell is badly hurting. To beat the Lakers, you need everyone healthy or nearly healthy.

3. Hudson is out.
Sure, the Wolves may not be able to contain Shaq. But, if Shaq scores 35 and Hudson scores 26 (what he averaged against the Lakers last year), that sure helps to balance things a bit

4. Wolves have 3 scorers: KG, Sprewell, and a hurting Cassell. Wally is useless, b/c he's a stop-and-pop shooter, the kind that Devean George and Rick Fox handle well (see Peja for the past 4 years).

Meanwhile, Lakers have 4 scorers: Shaq, Kobe, Payton, Malone.

If the Wolves have a healthy Cassell and Hudson, and an Olowakandi with heart, they'd have a great shot at getting to the Finals.


Lakers should win game 2....b/c it doesn't look like Cassell is going to play. He was badly needed in 4th quarter, but couldn't play - so you knew that back was killing him. Cassell is not a malingerer like Olowakandi.

The only way Lakers don't win game 2 is if they decide not to play ball.

There is only 1 team that can beat the Lakers, even when the Lakers play well - San Antonio

all other teams just cannot match up, not even the Kings or Wolves

especially not the Wolves, who have no center, and are a perimeter-shooting team.

That's the worst type of team to play the Lakers, b/c perimeter-shooting teams go into cold spells. Thats why Dallas has won only 1 time at Staples Center in over 13 years, and have something like a 4-50 record vs. the Lakes in the past 13+ years.

To beat the Lakers, you need an inside and outside presence.

KG and the Wolves need more weapons - simple as that.

It's just a matter of time before the Wolves lose.

podstock
05-22-2004, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
It sounds dumb, but maybe only play KG if you're ahead in game 1? Now game 2 is coming right up, and he will be tired for that one too.

You know, that is a VERY SOUND strategy,

but, if the coach actually did that, the fans of Minnesota and the media worldwide would go on a witch hunt

I like your strategy.

After all, the point is to win 4 games. You can lose 3.

So, why not sit all the starters in game 1, let them rest, and lose the game? By playing them in game 1, as you say, these players are now tired by game 2.

but in sports, the motto is to try to win every game, and if the media suspects something fishy, they'll torch the organization, not to mention the fine that NBA might levy on the Wolves for that strategy.

But, I feel the same as you do: who cares about ONE game. Hell, the Lakers spotted the Spurs TWO games, and still won.

So, the ideal thing is - let the Lakers win game 1, but rest all your key players for game 2.

People pretty much knew the Lakers were most likely going to win game 1 - even the gambling odds had the Lakers as a 3-1/2 point favorites on the road at MN.

cardbuyer66
05-22-2004, 02:49 PM
I agree with everything on these posts by Pod. Olowakandi Is a waste, benoit benjamin...great comparison.

Cassell is hurt badly, and hes an extremely good player when hes healthy. hes nowhere near healthy, the Wolves have no shot in this series

Now KG and Spree played 45 mins+ each in game one, another tired team will come out in game 2, and this series will be 2-0 heading to LA, where LA will sweep it 4-0. Unless LA feels like not having a long layoff and just try some sets in game 2, and basically jogs the way through and gives the game to the Wolves.

LA is going to the finals, where they will meet the Pacers

podstock
05-22-2004, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
LA is going to the finals, where they will meet the Pacers


I would love too see Indiana in the Finals.

If the Lakers lose, I want a UCLA alumni (Reggie Miller) to be the one celebrating.

In the past 20 or so years, only Reggie Miller and Baron Davis have done much of anything in the NBA

We recruit McDonalds All-Americans (JaRon Rush, Trevor Ariza etc etc)....but these are all spoiled brats who don't improve their game and leave too early

cardbuyer66
05-22-2004, 03:14 PM
I'd like to see the Pacers get one, mainly because of Carlisle. He grew up in Lisbon which is like 20 minutes from here, and my dad is good friends with his father. Carlisle may have left me tickets to the locker room for a Raptors game a few years back on my birthday. His brother is still a local cop, and he stopped over and said they were left there at halftime, we only checked at the beginning of the game and they werent there. So either way, Id love to see Carlisle win an NBA championship.


As for Miller, Ive always been a fan of his also. When I was younger, because I was a good shooter, and was tall and skinny, I was always called Reggie. So I ended up following him a lot. I'd love to see him get an NBA tite.

I also was always a Stockton/Malone fan...so of the 4 teams remaining, If the Pacers cant get the title....I'd like the Lakers and Malone and Payton to get one

Im really pushing for Carlisle and the Pacers though

podstock
05-23-2004, 05:50 PM
Sam Cassell seems like he is highly doubtful to play in game 2 (and if he plays, most likely it's gonna be no more than 20 minutes).

He didn't play in the 4th quarter at all in game 1
He didn't practice Saturday.....

so, you'd have to wonder how a guy who's had back spasms the 2nd half of the season, and all through the playoffs, and who couldn't play in the critical 4th quarter of game 1, will be able to perform in game 2 and the rest of the West Conf. Finals

TNT paid a ton of $$$$$ to the NBA to exclusively show the West Finals, hoping for a Lakers-Spurs or Lakers-Kings showdown....

and now, if Cassell doesn't play in game 2, or even if he does play, ...as long as the Lakers "want" to play defense, this is now going to be a sweep.

Personally, I would like to see the series end in 5 or 6 games, and preferably 6 games.

That will mean several things:

1. Lakers won't have to wait 7+ days before the Finals start (Indiana could barely beat Detroit at home by 3 points, on a night when Rasheed Wallace scored 4 freaking points. If Rasheed was even average, the Pistons win).

2. with game 6, that means the Lakers will have played 3 playoffs games at home, and each home game nets them about $1M+ in revenue. Why does this matter? B/c owner Jerry Buss will be shilling out $140M for Kobe and giving pay raises to Karl Malone (who's sure as heck deserves more than $1M)

3. And with 6 games, both the Wolves and lakers make more money (both teams share all the revenues, along with payout to the NBA)

podstock
05-23-2004, 10:58 PM
congratulations to the Lakers, who had the chance to bury the Lakers......

and instead got buried

very typical

when the Lakers win the NBA title, they may go down in history as one of the worst ever championship team

all style, all ego, no substance, no heart.

how can you play so badly against a team that has no center, can doesn't play that great of a defense.

absolutely PATHETIC!

stalking_WOLF_21
05-24-2004, 12:54 AM
are the t-wolves good or what
first
they tied the lakers low of pionts in a game by the lakers. (71)

two
there going to win the series

three
lakers stink
they play dirty did you see malone shaq glove all start crap malone got ejected

stalking_WOLF_21
05-24-2004, 12:55 AM
congratulations to the Lakers, who had the chance to bury the Lakers......


what did you mean by this

cardbuyer66
05-24-2004, 05:41 AM
I agree. I just cant be a Lakers fan. No heart, all talent. Is truely is a pathetic team to win the NBA title, sorry to say it....buts it definately true. No defense, dont show up half the time. They dont represent the NBA to well

podstock
05-24-2004, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
I agree. I just cant be a Lakers fan. No heart, all talent. Is truely is a pathetic team to win the NBA title, sorry to say it....buts it definately true. No defense, dont show up half the time. They dont represent the NBA to well

actually, I beg to differ - the Lakers represent the NBA to perfection:

a bunch of spoiled farking pieces of sh*t who make much more money than they can count, and this is BEFORE they can even drink

Lakers had a perfect chance to bury the Wolves, and end up digging their own graves

cardbuyer66
05-24-2004, 02:54 PM
LOL, very true. They do respresent the NBA well, as in the way they act is like most of the NBA.

They didnt really dig their own graves though, they just didnt care if they lost game 2. Whenever they need to win this series, or feel like trying and winning this series, they will play defense and beat the Wolves easily

podstock
05-24-2004, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
They didnt really dig their own graves though, they just didnt care if they lost game 2. Whenever they need to win this series, or feel like trying and winning this series, they will play defense and beat the Wolves easily

Think it about this way:

1. on any given day, any team can win.
So, let's assume that the Wolves win game 3 (don't forget the Wolves also won game 3 at Staples in last year's playoffs)

now, game 4 starts at 6 pm PST. Kobe is in court, and is supposed to have a half day, meaning he'll be back by 4-5 pm PST.

BUT, what if court runs long, and Kobe ends up not being able to get back until 7 pm PST (which is what normally happens in the last 4 games)?

That means the Lakers will play 1 1/2 quarter, and most likely means (with Kobe having to spend about 15 minutes to flex and warm up) kobe doesn't play until 3rd quarter.

Well, the Lakers lost to Atlanta without Kobe .... despite having Karl, Payton and Shaq all healthy.

If you can't beat the worst team, or one of the worst teams, with most of your starters....how do you beat a Timberwolves team that is so much better than the Hawks?

So, the Lakers could potentially go back to Minnesota losing these next 2 games and be down 3-1.

With the Lakers, you never know if Shaq is going to punch out Kobe for not passing, and they lose game 3.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-24-2004, 08:32 PM
podstock
you said that kg was going to be shut down by malone.
KEVIN GARNETT ISN'T A MVP FOR NO REASON!!!!!

cardbuyer66
05-24-2004, 09:24 PM
I dont agree with the could be down 3-1. LA has this series, they wont lose to the Wolves. They could be down 3-1 and I'd still place bets for them to win the series. They are undefeated at home in the playoffs this season, so I find it hard to see them losing 2 in a row in the conference finals

minew_m
05-24-2004, 09:29 PM
Same here. I still don't see how they can lose the series. They did what they needed to do and that was win an away game.

podstock
05-24-2004, 11:24 PM
oh, believe me, the Lakers easily could lose 2 games at home.

for instance, Shaq punches out Kobe in game 3

then, Kobe refuses to even show up for game 4, opting instead to stay in Eagle Rock Colorado

and there go 2 games lost at home

lololol

aka50cent
05-25-2004, 12:39 AM
Lakers are still not playing to the hype they are getting come on! they have 4 future hall of famers! GARY PAYTON KARL MALONE KOBE BRYANT AND BIG MOFO SHAQUILLE ONEAL they should win every game. ppl expected a 72-10 season at teh beggining of the season

minew_m
05-25-2004, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by aka50cent
ppl expected a 72-10 season at teh beggining of the season


And how many times were they together on the court? Probably 1/4 of the season due to injuries!

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 01:40 PM
you can bring up injuries all you want
timberwolves didn't have
wally
hudson
candy man

kings

WEBBER
jackson


the lakers had there hole team together most of the season.
AND YOU SHOULDN'T SAY THAT ONE INJURY IS KEY. THE LAKERS SHOULD WIN WITH JUST KOBE AND SHAQ.

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21



the lakers had there hole team together most of the season.

You can tell you haven't been watching any Lakers games this season. Their WHOLE team hasn't been on the floor but maybe 30% of the season. It doesn't matter what players they put out there against the Wolves. This series was over before it started. The Wolves are soft. Enjoy the early off-season.

podstock
05-25-2004, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
you can bring up injuries all you want
timberwolves didn't have
wally
hudson
candy man

kings

WEBBER
jackson


the lakers had there hole team together most of the season.
AND YOU SHOULDN'T SAY THAT ONE INJURY IS KEY. THE LAKERS SHOULD WIN WITH JUST KOBE AND SHAQ.

Eric

You need to review the NBA season.

Karl missed 40 games (that's almost 1/2 season)
Kobe's missed 15-20 games)

Only Payton has played all 82 games.

when everyone was healthy at the beginning of the season, Lakers went 18-3.

Then Karl injured his knee in December, and that was the beginning of the downfall

the Lakers do win with Shaq and Kobe.

Karl was added to play the power forwards of the West

Not sure why Gary came along - he's as selfish as they get. If you're going to be selfish, you better be as good as Kobe. Gary said he wanted to do what was good for the team, but he basically has been whining and crying this whole year

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 02:55 PM
podstock
each one of the kings and wolves iinjuries were huge. because they don't have a yankee/laker team but they are going to prove
podstock
minew_m
leftyshan
all wrong. because they'll prove you don't need four hall of famers to win


still you should be able to play with two superstars
the wolves have one
AND THAT'S THE MVP

leftyshan
talk to me after the wolves win the championship okay.

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21


leftyshan
talk to me after the wolves win the championship okay.
I guess I won't be talking to you any time soon. Take care. ;)

P.S. Before my prolonged period of silence, would you like to put some cards on it?

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 03:08 PM
????

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 05:36 PM
sure what do you want to put in

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 05:45 PM
Pick a card or 2 from my site and LMK what you're willing to put up.

insanefishpossay
05-25-2004, 06:13 PM
Sorry I couldn't contribute to these last few pages of discussion, my internets been down again :(

I love how you're not giving the wolves any credit at all. They just plain outplayed the lakers.

Should be an exciting(and physical) game 3 tonight. Too bad Karl isn't suspended, as he should be.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 07:36 PM
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podstock
05-25-2004, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
Sorry I couldn't contribute to these last few pages of discussion, my internets been down again :(

I love how you're not giving the wolves any credit at all. They just plain outplayed the lakers.

Should be an exciting(and physical) game 3 tonight. Too bad Karl isn't suspended, as he should be.

Karl Malone wasn't suspended for lowering his shoulder into the body of a nobody journeyman named Martin

much the same as Garnett wasn't suspended for lowering his shoulder into the chest of Anthony Peeler

Peeler got 2 game suspension; 1 for elbowing Garnett in the stomach, and 1 for elbowing Garnett in the face.

What did Garnet get?

$7500 fine.

That's like me stealing $0.01 from you.

by the way, Malone was fined as well.

How much, you ask?

.
.
.
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$7500


Turn-about is fair play, no?

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 07:40 PM
PM sent.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 07:42 PM
but garnett is not like that! every few years/months he'll do that!
MALONE has made a name for him self and the refs would love to see him not play because without him we see more

GARNETT
DUNCAN
DIRK
JERMAINE ONEIL
AND MORE

podstock
05-25-2004, 07:42 PM
Rob - if you are going to make a bet with Eric, then I may just have to invoke my powers as a Mod and ban you for taking advantage of a member of our site

lolololololol

betting that the Lakers will beat the Wolves and go to the Finals?

that's like taking candy from a baby, again and again

heheheheheh

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 07:43 PM
I'm sorry.......*walking away with his tail between his legs*.......LOL.......bad Lefty

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 07:47 PM
you say what you want but take in mind you laker fans thougfht that the wolves wouldn't get past the first round and when they beet them you fanted on your chair/couch. then you guys were saying they got past the first but thet'll never get past the kings wait queens (no wolves maid them the B##chs

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 07:49 PM
Put your cards where your mouth is stepping....:D

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 07:52 PM
say what you want you'll all leave sportscard forum because you were so humileated

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 07:56 PM
Accept my offer then.
$30 Joe Johnson RC GU
$15 Randy "Best Pitcher of All-Time" Johnson UD RC

for the Dixon RC Auto/Jsy

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 07:58 PM
sent pm

leftyshan
05-25-2004, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
sent pm
I got it. Please don't waste my time. If you have faith in your Timberpups you should back it up. I gotta run now so that I can get some brew and get ready for the ™™™ whippin' the Lakers are about to lay down.

Rockman
05-25-2004, 08:24 PM
If Minny wins Ill ask Pod to ban me, no way in hell will that happen. No way in hell do the Wolves stack up to the Lakers.

Center : Shaq Vs Olowokandi

Do I even need to go into this one, Its obviously Olowokandi, I mean look at his stats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3244

Now if those arnt the stats of a champion I just dont know what is. *sarcasm*

Advantage : Shaq


Power Forward: Garnett vs Malone

Im a big Garnett fan, and there is no way you can argue that Malone is better then Garnett. However, Malone can make one hell of an impact against him. When Malone played THE FULL GAME, Garnett scored a whopping 16 points, not only that he got 10 rebounds.................................oh ya forgot about Malone, he only scored 1 more then Garnett and got one more rebound.................also 1 more steal................and 2 more assists..............better FG%....................and played 1 less minute. Now who had the better stats there.

Advantage: On most games Garnett, however here, got to go with the Push

Small Forward:orge vs Szczerbiak

George is ™™™™aki mushrooms (didnt want to swear lol) Szczerbiak can shoot. But when you have 4 all star + feature hall of famers, does one position really make that much of a difference, esspecially when the better player is only above average..............nope

advantage: Szczerbiak

Shooting Guard: Kobe vs Spree

Spree is stepping up his game....................but its Kobe, nuff said

Advantage: Kobe

Point Guard: Payton vs Cassel

Payton is getting old, but he can still ball. Cassel is injured...........and gimp. The fart beats the gimp any day of the week............. and this wont change. If Cassel indeeds play he wont be able to stop Payton, and if he dosnt play, the back up wont be able to stop Payton. Cassel better heel quick, the Wolves will need him..................

Advantage: The Glove (I love his shoes from a few years about, I had them for basketball and gave me mad game..........so what I was only 8 I still had mad game :D )

Lakers Bench vs Wolves Bench

Both the Benches suck, Fisher aint bad though, however they dont really got anyone else. But does it really matter when you have 4 feature hall of famers who will play at least 35 minutes a game.............nope.................however Madsen has man dancing skills, so Ill go with the Wolves.

Advantage: Madsen's dancing over Fisher's great shots.

As I have proven, there is no way the Wolves can make it past the Lakers.

Oops almost forgot to say................Lakers have Phil Jackson .................he never loses.

insanefishpossay
05-25-2004, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Rockman
If Minny wins Ill ask Pod to ban me, no way in hell will that happen. No way in hell do the Wolves stack up to the Lakers.

Center : Shaq Vs Olowokandi

Do I even need to go into this one, Its obviously Olowokandi, I mean look at his stats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3244

Now if those arnt the stats of a champion I just dont know what is. *sarcasm*

Advantage : Shaq


Power Forward: Garnett vs Malone

Im a big Garnett fan, and there is no way you can argue that Malone is better then Garnett. However, Malone can make one hell of an impact against him. When Malone played THE FULL GAME, Garnett scored a whopping 16 points, not only that he got 10 rebounds.................................oh ya forgot about Malone, he only scored 1 more then Garnett and got one more rebound.................also 1 more steal................and 2 more assists..............better FG%....................and played 1 less minute. Now who had the better stats there.

Advantage: On most games Garnett, however here, got to go with the Push

Small Forward:orge vs Szczerbiak

George is ™™™™aki mushrooms (didnt want to swear lol) Szczerbiak can shoot. But when you have 4 all star + feature hall of famers, does one position really make that much of a difference, esspecially when the better player is only above average..............nope

advantage: Szczerbiak

Shooting Guard: Kobe vs Spree

Spree is stepping up his game....................but its Kobe, nuff said

Advantage: Kobe

Point Guard: Payton vs Cassel

Payton is getting old, but he can still ball. Cassel is injured...........and gimp. The fart beats the gimp any day of the week............. and this wont change. If Cassel indeeds play he wont be able to stop Payton, and if he dosnt play, the back up wont be able to stop Payton. Cassel better heel quick, the Wolves will need him..................

Advantage: The Glove (I love his shoes from a few years about, I had them for basketball and gave me mad game..........so what I was only 8 I still had mad game :D )

Lakers Bench vs Wolves Bench

Both the Benches suck, Fisher aint bad though, however they dont really got anyone else. But does it really matter when you have 4 feature hall of famers who will play at least 35 minutes a game.............nope.................however Madsen has man dancing skills, so Ill go with the Wolves.

Advantage: Madsen's dancing over Fisher's great shots.

As I have proven, there is no way the Wolves can make it past the Lakers.

Oops almost forgot to say................Lakers have Phil Jackson .................he never loses.

You forgot the biased officating, which is cleary yet another advantage for the lakers.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-25-2004, 11:53 PM
well the lakers won
but hopefuly we'll get game four

podstock
05-26-2004, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Rockman
Advantage: The Glove (I love his shoes from a few years about, I had them for basketball and gave me mad game..........so what I was only 8 I still had mad game :D )


very nice, and funny post

I love folks who don't mind making fun of themselves

lololol

Laughter is the medicine for life

podstock
05-26-2004, 12:53 PM
5/26/04: well, the Lakers won by triple digits

and incredibly, the fact that Kobe took a whopping 2 shots didn't hurt them at all.

Shaq had a pretty good game, with 22 points, 17 boards, but went 8-22 from the free throw line. Wow, does Shaq suck! He followed a 9-11 free throw shooting (you ain't gonna see that again any time soon), with misery in games 2 and 3.

Karl did well, with 11 points, and forced KG to work hard on both ends of the court.

Gary had a tremendous 1st quarter with 14 points, and 18 overall

Devean finally showed up, with 12 points on 5-8 shooting after scoring a whopping 5 points in the first 2 games

Cassell did a great job, with about 18 points in only 26 minutes before sitting due to back spasms. What a shame that Cassell is hurt.

KG had 22 points, but shot 9-21. He is having to do way too much, being a point guard, setting picks, rebounding, and then playing defense vs. Shaq and scoring.

This is what Kobe should consider when he is "opting out" --- it's not easy being the focal point of the team, when no one else is that great.

insanefishpossay
05-26-2004, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by podstock
5/26/04: well, the Lakers won by triple digits


You mean they SCORED in triple digits? They only won by double digits.

podstock
05-27-2004, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
You mean they SCORED in triple digits? They only won by double digits.

naturally, that was an error.

has there ever been a time when one team outscores another by triple digits? at any level - kindergarden, elementary school, high school, college?

insanefishpossay
05-27-2004, 11:43 PM
Still a minute left in the game, but it's clear the refs have pretty much slammed the door shut on the wolves. Good to see they're doing their part to make sure the Lakers crush any opposition.

You know what I especially love? When the refs actually call a foul on the Lakers, causing Kobe/Shaq/Whoever to jump up and down in anger, and then they look as if they can't believe the ref just called a foul.

A foul? On the Lakers? What are the refs thinking? This is LA, Shaq can travel with the ball any damn time he pleases.

It's also nice to see the roll the refs play in Shaq's title of "Most Dominant Ever." I mean come on, if the refs actually called fouls on him, or at least had enough courage to call a travel every now and then, the games would be a lot more exciting. Not to mention the fact that Shaq has no basketball skill.

Rockman
05-27-2004, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
Still a minute left in the game, but it's clear the refs have pretty much slammed the door shut on the wolves. Good to see they're doing their part to make sure the Lakers crush any opposition.

You know what I especially love? When the refs actually call a foul on the Lakers, causing Kobe/Shaq/Whoever to jump up and down in anger, and then they look as if they can't believe the ref just called a foul.

A foul? On the Lakers? What are the refs thinking? This is LA, Shaq can travel with the ball any damn time he pleases.

It's also nice to see the roll the refs play in Shaq's title of "Most Dominant Ever." I mean come on, if the refs actually called fouls on him, or at least had enough courage to call a travel every now and then, the games would be a lot more exciting. Not to mention the fact that Shaq has no basketball skill.

Do you honestly think the refs are that damn biased. You really think they think like that. Now natuarly your a T-wolves fan so your gonna think every foul against the Lakers is biased. But do you honestly beilive everyword that comes out of your mouth. I would like to see you ref, if there that damn biased they would be fired.

insanefishpossay
05-27-2004, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by Rockman
Do you honestly think the refs are that damn biased. You really think they think like that. Now natuarly your a T-wolves fan so your gonna think every foul against the Lakers is biased. But do you honestly beilive everyword that comes out of your mouth. I would like to see you ref, if there that damn biased they would be fired.

Nearly everytime Kobe, or any laker, takes the ball to the hoop, there's a foul called. Kevin Garnett gets no fouls called his way. Shaq always gets calls his way, not just from these refs, but from all refs in general.

And Yes, I am a TWolves fan, that probibly affects my thinking here, but it's just unbelieveable some of the calls that go one way but not the other.

minew_m
05-28-2004, 07:06 AM
Wow, were we watching the same game? Looks like it was going both ways to me. And you lucky the Wolves don't get called for a foul every time down the floor. There's always someone hacking at Shaq or bearhugging him when they ball goes to the rim or when he gets it.

podstock
05-28-2004, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
A foul? On the Lakers? What are the refs thinking? This is LA, Shaq can travel with the ball any damn time he pleases.

It's also nice to see the roll the refs play in Shaq's title of "Most Dominant Ever." I mean come on, if the refs actually called fouls on him, or at least had enough courage to call a travel every now and then, the games would be a lot more exciting. Not to mention the fact that Shaq has no basketball skill.

First of all, you, I, and Minnesota fans know that the Wolves are a jump shooting team. Just chart where they shoot the ball.

Second, KG is a perimeter player. Sure, he's got the ability to dribble drive; sure, he has inside post moves. But the bottom line is that he shoots from beyond 7-10 foot (unlike Shaq, who can ONLY shoot INSIDE of 7 foot).

Third, none of the Wolves centers (Olowakandi, Miller, Madsen) are offensive minded, and they have no post-up moves.

Fourth, the Wolves have INTENTIONALLY fouled Shaq almost every time he gets the ball

THIS IS WHY THE WOLVES SHOOT FEWER FREE THROWS

THIS IS WHY THERE IS SUCH A HUGE DISCREPANCY

in game 3, when the Lakers had 42 free throws, and the Wolves had about 16, ...... 22 of those free throws were on Shaq, due to Hack-a-Shaq and other times when the Wolves centers flat out fouled him.

If you were a Spurs fan, sure, you can make a case, b/c the Spurs are an inside and outside team, with Duncan and Parker.

But the Wolves HAVE NO INSIDE PRESENCE. KG shoots from perimeter. Cassell shoots from perimeter. Sprewell Shoots from perimeter...........

and if you have any clue, you know that Wally CANNOT dribble-drive and penetrate. Wally is purely a set shooter.

THIS IS WHY THE WOLVES CANNOT GET TO THE FREE THROW LINE. YOU DON'T GET CALLS WHEN YOU'RE SHOOTING 20-FOOT SHOTS, B/C THERE'S NOT GONNA BE CONTACT

insanefishpossay
05-28-2004, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by podstock
First of all, you, I, and Minnesota fans know that the Wolves are a jump shooting team. Just chart where they shoot the ball.

Second, KG is a perimeter player. Sure, he's got the ability to dribble drive; sure, he has inside post moves. But the bottom line is that he shoots from beyond 7-10 foot (unlike Shaq, who can ONLY shoot INSIDE of 7 foot).

Third, none of the Wolves centers (Olowakandi, Miller, Madsen) are offensive minded, and they have no post-up moves.

Fourth, the Wolves have INTENTIONALLY fouled Shaq almost every time he gets the ball

THIS IS WHY THE WOLVES SHOOT FEWER FREE THROWS

THIS IS WHY THERE IS SUCH A HUGE DISCREPANCY

in game 3, when the Lakers had 42 free throws, and the Wolves had about 16, ...... 22 of those free throws were on Shaq, due to Hack-a-Shaq and other times when the Wolves centers flat out fouled him.

If you were a Spurs fan, sure, you can make a case, b/c the Spurs are an inside and outside team, with Duncan and Parker.

But the Wolves HAVE NO INSIDE PRESENCE. KG shoots from perimeter. Cassell shoots from perimeter. Sprewell Shoots from perimeter...........

and if you have any clue, you know that Wally CANNOT dribble-drive and penetrate. Wally is purely a set shooter.

THIS IS WHY THE WOLVES CANNOT GET TO THE FREE THROW LINE. YOU DON'T GET CALLS WHEN YOU'RE SHOOTING 20-FOOT SHOTS, B/C THERE'S NOT GONNA BE CONTACT

Why bother trying to go inside when you're not going to get the call anyways? There were multiple times last night where KG drove to the basket and, despite much contact, no foul was called.

At one point Fred Hoiberg attempted to bring the ball in for a layup. Shaq jumps into Freddy, levels him mid-air, and then blocks the shot. No foul called.

I can guarentee you if that was Kobe going in for a layup, and KG, Olowokandi, or any other wolves player leveling him in the air, there would have been a foul called. I can guarentee you that.

minew_m
05-28-2004, 07:57 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay

At one point Fred Hoiberg attempted to bring the ball in for a layup. Shaq jumps into Freddy, levels him mid-air, and then blocks the shot. No foul called.



The collision happened after the block. The same thing happened to Malone on a couple of possesions for him under the basket and no foul was called.

podstock
05-28-2004, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
Why bother trying to go inside when you're not going to get the call anyways? There were multiple times last night where KG drove to the basket and, despite much contact, no foul was called.

At one point Fred Hoiberg attempted to bring the ball in for a layup. Shaq jumps into Freddy, levels him mid-air, and then blocks the shot. No foul called.

I can guarentee you if that was Kobe going in for a layup, and KG, Olowokandi, or any other wolves player leveling him in the air, there would have been a foul called. I can guarentee you that.

I do agree with you that the foul should've been called on Shaq; you are right; that was a foul

but, look at all the times the Wolves grabbed Shaq and Kobe and no foul was called.

In sports....once you resort to blaming the referees, it means you're on the losing end.

Explain to me how Kevin Garnett got 2 fouls TOTAL in game 1 and game 2?

I mean, Shaq ALWAYS shoots inside the paint area (he HAS NEVER taken a 15-footer, 20-footer). He can't even make free throws. Kobe not only shoots outside, but can dribble drive and penetrate.

So, how come KG, who's basically roaming around and defending Shaq/Kobe, only got 2 fouls?

And you know how he got those 2 fouls? Both were intentional fouls during Hack-a-Shaq in the last minutes of the 4th quarter.

So, KG, in games 1 & 2, was NEVER called for a regular foul

And you say biasness is towards the Lakers?

Tell me that when you have a team that penetrates inside on a regular basis........

insanefishpossay
05-28-2004, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by podstock

Explain to me how Kevin Garnett got 2 fouls TOTAL in game 1 and game 2?

So, how come KG, who's basically roaming around and defending Shaq/Kobe, only got 2 fouls?

And you know how he got those 2 fouls? Both were intentional fouls during Hack-a-Shaq in the last minutes of the 4th quarter.

So, KG, in games 1 & 2, was NEVER called for a regular foul

And you say biasness is towards the Lakers?


And he then went on to foul out in game 3, happy?

stalking_WOLF_21
05-29-2004, 12:52 AM
podstock
if garnett gets two fouls on shaq and kobe. then he's playing good defence!

podstock
05-29-2004, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
And he then went on to foul out in game 3, happy?

lololol...

I was only happy b/c the Lakers won

hey, your Wolves have done a TREMENDOUS job for the franchise.

If you can grab away an Eddy Curry from the Bulls, or another center who can score, you guys have a great chance to get to the NBA Finals

stalking_WOLF_21
05-29-2004, 04:43 PM
if you old guys deside to retire then your team will suck (hahahahahaha)

Rockman
05-29-2004, 04:50 PM
If there old guys decide to retire they will sign 3 top young superstars.

The Lakers seem to be at least these past 4 years or so to be basketball's version of the Yankees.

THey can get any free agent they want.

cardbuyer66
05-29-2004, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by podstock
lololol...

I was only happy b/c the Lakers won

hey, your Wolves have done a TREMENDOUS job for the franchise.

If you can grab away an Eddy Curry from the Bulls, or another center who can score, you guys have a great chance to get to the NBA Finals

I wouldnt recomment Curry. I think an underachieving lazy center would be no better then the lazy underachieving center they have now

stalking_WOLF_21
05-29-2004, 06:44 PM
eddy curry is very good great scorer. rebounder he would do a lot better than candy

podstock
05-29-2004, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
I wouldnt recomment Curry. I think an underachieving lazy center would be no better then the lazy underachieving center they have now

You are absolutely correct.

But, let's face it:

for every Michael Jordan, Magic, Larry Bird, Kobe, there are thousands and thousands of players not worth the money

As a matter of fact, I dare say that Shaq isn't worth the money.

If he had 1/2 the passion, dedication, and desire that Kobe does, Shaq would be the Most Dominant Ever Center.

You can't anoint yourself the greatest; that's something others bestow upon yourself.

Kobe is one of the very few who continually work out in the off-season to become better.

Most players are like Shaq - they fool around with other activities.

Shaq even has said he works out on "company time", meaning that he'll be in shape when he's playing ball. but, in the summer, that's his time to do what he wants.

Other than Yao Ming and Ben Wallace, I can't think of a good center. Perhaps Brad Miller, if he wasn't so soft.

stalking_WOLF_21
05-29-2004, 10:08 PM
there is no really good center in the nba right now
look at the 90's
hakeem
ewing
shaq
and more

no theres
yao
shaq
millic (hahahahahaha)

podstock
05-30-2004, 01:37 PM
lolol, you are right about Milicic

He may one day turn out to be a good center....

but right now, he's playing 1 minute every 5th game.

I don't know what the Pistons saw in him, but to be the #2 pick overall, and then not play at all is kind of weird, eh?

stalking_WOLF_21
05-30-2004, 02:58 PM
larry brown dosen't play rookies there first year. Look at Dalenbert. He didn't play his rookie year now he plays well for sixers

podstock
05-30-2004, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
larry brown dosen't play rookies there first year. Look at Dalenbert. He didn't play his rookie year now he plays well for sixers

lololol...there have been a number of games where Milicic could've play at least 1 minute, but he never even got into games of blow-outs

when you are drafted in the top 10 of the 1st round, you are expected to be able to play.

That's why you are the #1 draft pick, or the #2 pick, etc.

Now, if you were picked in the 2nd round, then perhaps it's understandable that you don't play at all.....

but there's a reason you are the #2 pick overall

stalking_WOLF_21
05-30-2004, 04:52 PM
it's just larry browns way of dealing with rookies

MikeY11
05-31-2004, 09:32 PM
i feel sorry for Milicic, being the second pick and then NOTHING!!

But the Nuggets arent, what a present from the Pistons!

Rockman
05-31-2004, 11:38 PM
Well the game has 3 minutes left in the game..............and all I got to say is................OMG Kareem Rush, he is freaking crazy. After Shaq not being able to sink a free throw I thought I was doomed (bet) but Kareem Rush is single handling saving me.............maybe I should forget Merkin, I should start getting rush cards lol.

Decided to edit instead of new post: Hassle should be shot, so much for me winning :(

stalking_WOLF_21
06-01-2004, 01:04 AM
dagn't they lost minew_m i think i may have traded the auto i can give you one of the chris jeffries autos

skeebee
06-01-2004, 06:51 AM
damn this sucks i hate the lakers!!

minew_m
06-01-2004, 06:58 AM
stalking_WOLF_21- You traded the Booth? I don't really need the Jefferies.

podstock
06-01-2004, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
dagn't they lost minew_m i think i may have traded the auto i can give you one of the chris jeffries autos

Eric, you see - it doesn't work this way

When you make a bet, that bet stays until it is resolved.

So, if you were supposed to give a certain AU card to Minew and then traded that card away, then you must give him another option of HIS choice once he wins

it is NOT your choice which AU card to offer up.

Don't forget...in my anger at the Lakers losing game 1 to the Spurs, I gave you 50 cc. I am not asking for it back, since I get plenty of CC. But, you don't switch cards on someone after you've made the bet.

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO:

Give Minew his choice of cards to select. You don't select them for him. It was your fault for trading away the AU card

Eric, if Minew tells me you are giving him the run-around, I will ban you.

I hate people who bait and switch. You make the bet with cards, you pay up when you lose. It's the honor system.

I will not hesitate to ban; and unlike Ebay, there is no red tape. You will not be allowed to scam people after people after people. It may work on Ebay, but not on SCF. I don't need to ask other Mods. I can ban in the blink of an eye.

cardbuyer66
06-01-2004, 10:51 PM
COngrats to the Pistons. I hope they can beat LA, I'd love to see the Lakers lose. "We didnt win anything yet"-that made me hate the Lakers even more. I'M mad the Pacers lost, but I want the Pistons over the Lakers.

insanefishpossay
06-01-2004, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Eric, you see - it doesn't work this way

When you make a bet, that bet stays until it is resolved.

So, if you were supposed to give a certain AU card to Minew and then traded that card away, then you must give him another option of HIS choice once he wins

it is NOT your choice which AU card to offer up.

Don't forget...in my anger at the Lakers losing game 1 to the Spurs, I gave you 50 cc. I am not asking for it back, since I get plenty of CC. But, you don't switch cards on someone after you've made the bet.

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO:

Give Minew his choice of cards to select. You don't select them for him. It was your fault for trading away the AU card

Eric, if Minew tells me you are giving him the run-around, I will ban you.

I hate people who bait and switch. You make the bet with cards, you pay up when you lose. It's the honor system.

I will not hesitate to ban; and unlike Ebay, there is no red tape. You will not be allowed to scam people after people after people. It may work on Ebay, but not on SCF. I don't need to ask other Mods. I can ban in the blink of an eye.

I have to agree with you here, if you put a card up for a bet you should not trade it away.

As for the lakers, you're all lucky Sam Cassell wasn't healthy.
Game 4, we lost by 7. I think it's safe to say an at least somewhat healthy Cassell could have erased that deficit. Same goes for the 6 we lost by in game 6.

Anyways, good luck to the Lakers in the finals, it was an exciting series. Wolves at least made it further than most people(charles barkley) thought we would.

podstock
06-01-2004, 11:31 PM
I do not believe Sam Cassell, despite his thoughts otherwise, would have made a difference in whether or not the Lakers advance or lose.

Remember, the Lakers play up to the competition (4-game sweep of SA Spurs) and play down to the competition

if Cassell played, the points he would've gotten (let's say 30), would come at the expense of Wally not getting any, same for Hoiberg, and Hassell.

You cannot automatically pencil in Cassell for "x" amount of points just b/c he is healthy.


But, needless to say, with a healthy Cassell AND a healthy Troy Hudson, I would favor the Wolves to beat the Lakers in 7 games, for ONE MAIN REASON:

keep the game close until the 4th quarter, then foul Shaq, who is shooting a MISERABLE 32 out of 84 free throws in the last 5 games after making 9 of 11 in game 1.

the reason the Wolves couldn't capitalize on the Lakers shooting under 50% from the free throw line is b/c KG and Sprewell shouldered so much of the scoring that they got tired in the 4th.

Put in Cassell and Hudson, and now, you've got 4 scoring weapons to match those of the Lakers.

However, the team to beat was SA, and once SA was gone, the lakers were a foregone conclusion. to go to the Finals.

The Pistons will have a great shot to beat the Lakers b/c they match up well:

Ben vs Shaq: advantage Shaq b/c he can score. And if Shaq decides to put the effort in defense, it's a BIG advantage.

Rasheed vs Karl - if Rasheed keeps his cool, and doesn't get technicals, this advantage goes to Rasheed

Chauncey vs Payton - advantage Chauncey, who has a better chance to score 30 than Payton has of getting 20. Payton is shooting HORRIBLY!

Kobe vs. Rick Hamilton: advantage Kobe b/c Kobe plays tremendous defense. Rick can score 30....Kobe can score 40.

Tayshaun vs Devean: advantage Tayshaun. Devean tends to go into a funk when he's not shooting well. And he rarely shoots well.

Bench play: I favor the Lakers, b/c of Fisher, Kareem Rush, Slava, and Rick Fox - good offense and defense.

Coaching - Lakers. Phil has 9 rings. Larry Brown is looking for one.

Prediction: Lakers in 6. If they really play, Lakers sweep.

The biggest problem with the Pistons is that there defense cannot stop Kobe, Shaq, and Karl long enough for them to win offensively.

I do not foresee how the Pistons will limit the Lakers to under 80 points, much less 70. And the Pistons really don't have the offensive firepower to win high-scoring games.

cardbuyer66
06-02-2004, 06:02 AM
Its too bad home court is at LA, so to win the title Detroit needs to win atleast one game in LA and all at home. I think the Lakers have a whole different level when the titles on the line. Malone's in his third finals, Paytons in the finals....those 2 players aren't as dominate as they once were, but add them playing in the finals in with Kobe and Shaq, and LA has to be highly favored

minew_m
06-02-2004, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by podstock
Eric, you see - it doesn't work this way

When you make a bet, that bet stays until it is resolved.

So, if you were supposed to give a certain AU card to Minew and then traded that card away, then you must give him another option of HIS choice once he wins

it is NOT your choice which AU card to offer up.

Don't forget...in my anger at the Lakers losing game 1 to the Spurs, I gave you 50 cc. I am not asking for it back, since I get plenty of CC. But, you don't switch cards on someone after you've made the bet.

HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO:

Give Minew his choice of cards to select. You don't select them for him. It was your fault for trading away the AU card

Eric, if Minew tells me you are giving him the run-around, I will ban you.

I hate people who bait and switch. You make the bet with cards, you pay up when you lose. It's the honor system.

I will not hesitate to ban; and unlike Ebay, there is no red tape. You will not be allowed to scam people after people after people. It may work on Ebay, but not on SCF. I don't need to ask other Mods. I can ban in the blink of an eye.

No need to worry Podstock. Everything is resolved.

podstock
06-02-2004, 12:40 PM
That's good to know, thanks

stalking_WOLF_21
06-02-2004, 03:36 PM
sorry about that podstock i thought i had the card and if he didn't want the cards i listed i would give him something else.
once again sorry

stalking_WOLF_21
06-05-2004, 12:55 AM
hey podstock
guess who's going to shut down kobe
TAYSHAUN PRINCE


guess who's going to shut down shaq

!!CRAP!!

minew_m
06-05-2004, 09:30 AM
lol, wanna bet on this game?

stalking_WOLF_21
06-05-2004, 12:44 PM
MINEW_M
IF i DID THAT i couldn't say i had a card collection. haha

ugi80
06-05-2004, 12:58 PM
LA is gunna win in 5, i cant wait till game 1 tommorow.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-05-2004, 01:33 PM
it will defently be a good game.
and i'll be able to watch the prince

minew_m
06-05-2004, 01:46 PM
Hopefully Shaq can dominate and pick up his 4th finals MVP!

ugi80
06-05-2004, 03:29 PM
I would love to see Malone and Payton split the MVP away but i highly doubt that would happen.

podstock
06-05-2004, 03:33 PM
Ugi, Ugi, Ugi, Ugi, Ugi

you were once banned, and now you are back.

tsk....tsk....tsk....

and now, you are banned again

stalking_WOLF_21
06-05-2004, 07:34 PM
is game one tonight??

minew_m
06-05-2004, 07:34 PM
Game one is tomorrow at 8:30 EST.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-05-2004, 07:37 PM
thanks

podstock
06-05-2004, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
is game one tonight??

it won't matter

after beating Houston (#4 ranked defense)

after beating San Antonio (#1 ranked defense)

after beating Minnesota (#5 ranked defense)

this series is anti-climactic

The Pistons may have the #2 ranked defense, but their offense isn't even 1/2 of that of Houston, San Antonio or Minnesota

Kobe scores 25, Shaq 20, Karl 15 --- that's 60 points right there..

Pistons have a hard enough time trying to break 70 points for the entire game.

the question is: do the Lakers want to win at Detroit or wait until game 6 to win the title?

Lakers-San Antonio was the title game.......alll else is just playing out the series

stalking_WOLF_21
06-06-2004, 12:47 AM
"Kobe scores 25"
um theres some one that is going to stop him. haha
the pistons score 70 pionts because they keep the opponent in the 60s.
plus if they have the there team is ready to play. they can get one to three games but unfortionetly they won't win they series

leftyshan
06-06-2004, 12:49 AM
Nobody's stopping Kobe. PERIOD!!!

stalking_WOLF_21
06-06-2004, 01:12 AM
the prince is PERIOD!!!!

leftyshan
06-06-2004, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
the prince is PERIOD!!!!
Please

stalking_WOLF_21
06-06-2004, 01:42 AM
we'll see.

leftyshan
06-06-2004, 01:46 AM
When will you learn? The only person that can stop Kobe, is Kobe. Prince is gonna look like a princess when Kobe's done with him.

Rockman
06-06-2004, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by leftyshan
When will you learn? The only person that can stop Kobe, is Kobe. Prince is gonna look like a princess when Kobe's done with him.

Word! sorry had to say it. Before the playoff who has really heard of Prince and considerd him a great defensive player. Reggie making a bone headed play aint Kobe. If Reggie dunked instead of being fancy, the pacers would be in the finals, they would have won the game. They would have had the momentum, they would have closed it out.

Ill bet you, Kobe will average at least 20 points a game.

I bet you the Pistons will be out scored this whole series by more then 45.

The pistons cant win, they wont win.

podstock
06-06-2004, 12:55 PM
Kobe man-handled Bruce Bowen, an NBA 1st team all-defense, in the playoffs

Tayshaun Prince wasn't anywhere near being nominated to the
NBA 3rd team all-defense.

Only Kobe's wife can stop Kobe

minew_m
06-06-2004, 12:56 PM
Kobe won't be stopped. Shaq won't be stopped (hell, they are taking about even sending Darko after him, lol!). Lakers in 6 just because they will want to win it at home!

cardbuyer66
06-06-2004, 03:07 PM
Lakers in 5 just because they will want to win it at home!

Game 5 is in Detroit, 1, 2, 6, and 7 are in LA

SingleDaddyof2
06-06-2004, 03:54 PM
Gotta give credit to Detroit for their defense. I'm impressed by their ability to limit teams to 70 points or less. Still, if the Lakers bring their 'A' game, then there's no stopping them. It's just a matter of how badly the Lakers want it. I think the Lakers will actually be more motivated to play well against a great defense like Detroit's.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-06-2004, 04:19 PM
lets see the who guared kobe in the finals

bruce bowen defensive specialist 6 ft 5 and old

latrell sprewell little better than most on "d" 6ft5 6ft6

rockets every body on the court

now
prince not known for amazing defence but at 6ft9 he can get in front or hobe stop his quick jump shots. prince has a wonderful defence behind him to back him up. the pistons play great defence together.

kobe prince
6ft7 6ft9
great scorer like to see big n names go down.

Rockman
06-06-2004, 04:26 PM
Wolf, I bet that Kobe will average more then 20 points this series if your so confident.

Pick something from my site.

leftyshan
06-06-2004, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
lets see the who guared kobe in the finals

bruce bowen defensive specialist 6 ft 5 and old

latrell sprewell little better than most on "d" 6ft5 6ft6

rockets every body on the court

now
prince not known for amazing defence but at 6ft9 he can get in front or hobe stop his quick jump shots. prince has a wonderful defence behind him to back him up. the pistons play great defence together.

kobe prince
6ft7 6ft9
great scorer like to see big n names go down.
Kobe: 6'6"
Prince: 6'9"

Kobe: All Defensive Team....again
Prince: Not

Kobe's Heart: Unmatched
Prince's Heart: ???

Kobe's 4th ring in 5 years..........PRI(N)CELESS!!!

stalking_WOLF_21
06-06-2004, 04:31 PM
leftyshan
every body wants to see kobe on the all defensive team. no one wants to see prince.
prince has only played in the nba 2 years and he can't win four champioships in two years. Thats like saying prince did much better than kobe in college kobe didn't go to college.

insanefishpossay
06-06-2004, 07:37 PM
It doesn't matter how well Prince guards Kobe, the lakers will win the championship regardless.

Nobody can stop Shaq, which is extremely frustrating considering he has absolutely no real basketball skill.

podstock
06-06-2004, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
Nobody can stop Shaq, which is extremely frustrating considering he has absolutely no real basketball skill.

Finally, someone who sees what I see.

if you're bigger than everyone else, of course you can "power" your way in and score dunks

put me up against anyone who is shorter than me and weighs less than me, and I'll beat that person.

So, just because you're bigger than everyone else doesn't make you the most dominant ever.

The best center in the past 2 decades is Akeem Olajuwon

-- he could shoot a mid-range jump shot, and his "Dream Shake" was to die for. As a matter of fact, Olajuwon hit that shot time after time when the Rockets blew out Shaq's Orlando Magic. And yes, that may have been Shaq's rookie or sophomore year in the NBA

-- he played defense. Unlike Shaq, Akeem played defense ALL the times, not just when he felt like it.

-- he could shoot free throws fairly ok. Wasn't a Reggie Miller shooting 90%....but also wasn't a Shaq shooting 34% in the playoffs or 45% in regular season.

If Olajuwon had more talent on his team, he'd have won more than 2 titles. The other "stars" on his team were journeyman Kenny Smith, Robert Horry, etc....


Now, look at Shaq...

1. Where does he shoot his shot?
A: from 7 foot and inside. He HAS NO ability to shoot outside of that area.

Kareem could shoot the mid-range sky hook
David Robinson could shoot the mid-range shot
Patrick Ewing, also.......

but Shaq never ever did anything in his life, outside of powering his way to shoot layups.

HELL, I could do that too, if you put kids up against me.

And how can you be the most dominant, when, in close games, the coach takes you out b/c you can't shoot 50% from the free throw lines?

The Lakers are smartly NOT giving Shaq the maximum on a new contract. Wait out the next 2 years that he is under contract.

If Shaq goes elsewhere, he will be paid about $15M (he gets $27-$30M right now with the Lakers), b/c that's the rules of the NBA.

Why pay Shaq a new 5-yr contract at $30M, which is what he demands, when you know that other teams, by league cap rules, CANNOT pay Shaq more than $20M?

That's not to say that Shaq can't go to New York, and be "compensated" an extra $10-15M via movies, endorsements, etc.

The future is Kobe, plain and simple.

Who would you rather have?

1. a 25-year old getting into his prime, who spends his summers working out in the gym every day (and of course, having sex with various females)? Someone who wants to do everything he can to be the greatest ever to play the game?

or

2. a 32-y/o who has said he spends his summers doing his own thing (rap music, movies, buying more cars, etc), and that he will work out on "company time" --- i.e. he will use the regular season to get himself into shape? Someone who refuses to get help from his free throw guru this season, even when he was shooting 25% for an extended period of time?

insanefishpossay
06-06-2004, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Finally, someone who sees what I see.

if you're bigger than everyone else, of course you can "power" your way in and score dunks

put me up against anyone who is shorter than me and weighs less than me, and I'll beat that person.

So, just because you're bigger than everyone else doesn't make you the most dominant ever.

The best center in the past 2 decades is Akeem Olajuwon

-- he could shoot a mid-range jump shot, and his "Dream Shake" was to die for. As a matter of fact, Olajuwon hit that shot time after time when the Rockets blew out Shaq's Orlando Magic. And yes, that may have been Shaq's rookie or sophomore year in the NBA

-- he played defense. Unlike Shaq, Akeem played defense ALL the times, not just when he felt like it.

-- he could shoot free throws fairly ok. Wasn't a Reggie Miller shooting 90%....but also wasn't a Shaq shooting 34% in the playoffs or 45% in regular season.

If Olajuwon had more talent on his team, he'd have won more than 2 titles. The other "stars" on his team were journeyman Kenny Smith, Robert Horry, etc....


Now, look at Shaq...

1. Where does he shoot his shot?
A: from 7 foot and inside. He HAS NO ability to shoot outside of that area.

Kareem could shoot the mid-range sky hook
David Robinson could shoot the mid-range shot
Patrick Ewing, also.......

but Shaq never ever did anything in his life, outside of powering his way to shoot layups.

HELL, I could do that too, if you put kids up against me.

And how can you be the most dominant, when, in close games, the coach takes you out b/c you can't shoot 50% from the free throw lines?

The Lakers are smartly NOT giving Shaq the maximum on a new contract. Wait out the next 2 years that he is under contract.

If Shaq goes elsewhere, he will be paid about $15M (he gets $27-$30M right now with the Lakers), b/c that's the rules of the NBA.

Why pay Shaq a new 5-yr contract at $30M, which is what he demands, when you know that other teams, by league cap rules, CANNOT pay Shaq more than $20M?

That's not to say that Shaq can't go to New York, and be "compensated" an extra $10-15M via movies, endorsements, etc.

The future is Kobe, plain and simple.

Who would you rather have?

1. a 25-year old getting into his prime, who spends his summers working out in the gym every day (and of course, having sex with various females)? Someone who wants to do everything he can to be the greatest ever to play the game?

or

2. a 32-y/o who has said he spends his summers doing his own thing (rap music, movies, buying more cars, etc), and that he will work out on "company time" --- i.e. he will use the regular season to get himself into shape? Someone who refuses to get help from his free throw guru this season, even when he was shooting 25% for an extended period of time?

Wow, I was expecting for you to go on the defensive, and for me to have to put together a post like that, lol. At least we can agree on Shaq :)

cardbuyer66
06-06-2004, 09:29 PM
I love the east, I'll jump on the Pistons bandwagon. LETS GO Pistons. Ill put bets that the Pistons win atleast 2 games, or I'll bet they win the series if I get some nice odds and for a card I need

Rockman
06-06-2004, 09:30 PM
OMG POD, SHAQ JUST MADE A FADE AWAY FROM LIKE 7 FEET 1 INCH AND GOT FOULED. WHO WOUDA THUNK IT. lol atleast it was out side his box.

anyway the score is 14-14 so far and if I do say so myself the Lakers are playing pretty bad. To many turnovers and to many bad shots. Oh well.

cardbuyer66
06-06-2004, 09:32 PM
Pistons will surprise many...anyone want to bet? Ill take Pistons +6 for the game (real spread is 7.5)

podstock
06-06-2004, 09:44 PM
sure, the Pistons could surprise many

esp. when farking Kobe is shooting fallaway 23-footers with 2 men on him

that's not good defense; that's Kobe ball-hogging!

If I am covering you 30-foot from the basket, and you chuck up a shot and miss, did I play good defense, or were you stupid enough to shoot a 30-footer?

cannot believe how pathetic the 1st quarter was.

No ball movement at all, with Kobe basically ball-hogging

stalking_WOLF_21
06-06-2004, 10:56 PM
the pistons are doing what they should do and has done all season.
cause turnovers

cardbuyer66
06-06-2004, 11:56 PM
Game one to the Pistons. I'll take a chance here and say I think the Pistons will win the series, and Im willing to take bets on it

minew_m
06-07-2004, 07:08 AM
cardbuyer66- Are you looking to be cards or cc?

cardbuyer66
06-07-2004, 09:06 AM
cards preferably, do you have any autos or GU to put up? I have a lot of Marbury GU, and I may have an Auto of Battier but im not sure. Ill PM you about this possible bet

minew_m
06-07-2004, 03:09 PM
Kep, sounds great!

podstock
06-07-2004, 05:07 PM
I do not believe that the Pistons have enough offense to stop the Lakers

this is as bad as you should see the Lakers play (Shaq/Kobe scored 57 of the Lakers 75. Nobody else doing anything).....

and the question is: can the Pistons play much better defense than this?

I do not believe so

minew_m
06-07-2004, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by podstock
I do not believe that the Pistons have enough offense to stop the Lakers

this is as bad as you should see the Lakers play (Shaq/Kobe scored 57 of the Lakers 75. Nobody else doing anything).....

and the question is: can the Pistons play much better defense than this?

I do not believe so

Have to totally agree with this. In the Finals Shaq always turns it up and the game he had last night was average considering what he did the years that they won the championship. Look for more of Shaq. Also, look for Malone. Once Malone gets going theres another 12-15 points easy. Shaq was trying to get Malone involved yesterday but he was coming up sort on a lot of shots.

podstock
06-07-2004, 07:00 PM
that's right. Karl had 5-8 wide open shots and clanked them all before Kobe gave him a pass to lay up the ball in the 3rd quarter

It's good defense when you play up tight against someone, and put a hand in his face to help prevent him from scoring.

when you leave someone open for a 15-footer, and he misses that'd BAD defense.

If leaving people open, and having them miss open shots, was GOOD defense....then, I have to be one of the best defensive players ever in playground basketball, b/c my man was always open for a shot.

cardbuyer66
06-07-2004, 09:13 PM
lol, nice last comment. Shaq has a great game shooting, and him and Kobe score 57 combined, and the team only gets 75. When they were trying to score towards the end of the game, they couldn't even get a 3 up cuz they were all so closely contested. Fishers layup toward the end even missed cuz there was a Wallace trying to block it.

Detroit's defense is crazy. I think this series is going to be very close, and I think Detroit has atleast a 50-50 chance of winning it

leftyshan
06-09-2004, 12:30 AM
<<<<<<<<Da Man!!!!!!!

podstock
06-09-2004, 12:58 AM
while this was a TREMENDOUS win....

what worries me is that the Lakers needed a last second shot by Kobe to take it into OT to win

not looking good going into Detroit

the only hope I have is that the Pistons suck on offense. If the Pistons had the Spurs offense, this Finals would be over

Pistons don't really have anyone down the stretch, esp. with Kobe covering Rick Hamilton like a glove

minew_m
06-09-2004, 06:59 AM
What a game! I just hope Shaq and Kobe can continue to dominate. Also I hope Walton can keep on playing like he is. He played tremendous!

cardbuyer66
06-09-2004, 08:58 AM
I still like the Pistons to take the series :-)

I just love going against all the LA fans

what a shot, if it was 2-0 then Detroit would have ended it at home, now its anyones series

stalking_WOLF_21
06-09-2004, 09:56 AM
you guys were saying that detroit didn't have good defense. with out kobe hitting that last minute three pistons win two games in la. the can win this series.
they are playing great defense. i don't know how you could say that they don't have good "d". Maybe your a little bit jealous that detroit can play "d" and the lakers can't.
-Eric

insanefishpossay
06-09-2004, 10:37 AM
Kobe is unbelieveable.

He can make any frickin' shot he puts up, no matter how crazy it is.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-09-2004, 12:07 PM
i would like to see rasheed wallace score twenty again

podstock
06-09-2004, 12:26 PM
Given how hurt Karl is, and he wouldn't be playing if this wasn't the Finals,

I think Rasheed should have no problem scoring 20+ points in game 3 vs. a hobbling 40-y/o man

stalking_WOLF_21
06-09-2004, 12:39 PM
yes your very right on that pod. I think that rasheed is always competing with ben with "d" and rebounds. plus rasheed prob feels that he's not the leader any more.

Rockman
06-09-2004, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
yes your very right on that pod. I think that rasheed is always competing with ben with "d" and rebounds. plus rasheed prob feels that he's not the leader any more.

Rasheed and all the Pistons probably feel they want to win a Championship and they could care less how they do it. But you know I could be wrong :s

Rasheed and Ben arnt trying to outmatch each other and be selfish like Kobe for most of the game (It has happenend, and then he takes wild fade aways and misses them. A heck of a shot last night though) They are probably trying to win, but once again I could be wrong.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-09-2004, 01:35 PM
i don't meen he's trying to out mach ben he's just feels that he came to detroit to help ben so his focus is on defense and rebounds not scoring. but he is fun to watch on the court if he's not ejected or something.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-09-2004, 02:49 PM
you know how you guys were saying that the lakers will lose on perpose so they can win at home. right now the lakers are lucky if they win one game.

podstock
06-09-2004, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
you know how you guys were saying that the lakers will lose on perpose so they can win at home. right now the lakers are lucky if they win one game.

you are right; they'll end up with 2 wins!!

:o)

stalking_WOLF_21
06-09-2004, 04:15 PM
it will be a great series. now i'm starting to think if the wolves did make it would they do a little better than the lakers.

podstock
06-09-2004, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
it will be a great series. now i'm starting to think if the wolves did make it would they do a little better than the lakers.
let me get this straight

the wolves weren't good enough to beat the Lakers, but they could do better vs. the Pistons?

based upon what logic?

cardbuyer66
06-09-2004, 05:19 PM
anyone want LA in a series bet? Ill take Pistons and for multiple high end bets. Still, Kobe, Shaq, Phil, Malone, Payton, anyone want to try LA? lmk asap please

insanefishpossay
06-09-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by podstock
let me get this straight

the wolves weren't good enough to beat the Lakers, but they could do better vs. the Pistons?

based upon what logic?

Yes I believe that is what he meant.

The Lakers are a much better team than the Pistons.

It's actually pretty simple.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-09-2004, 05:34 PM
i meant for defensive reasons. the wolves 5th in "d" and pistons don't were there ranked. the laker are better because they beet the wolves

stalking_WOLF_21
06-11-2004, 11:14 AM
man did the lakers get killed or what.
86 to 68. isn't 68 that a laker playoff low.
minew_m/podstock now do you think they have a good defensive team.

podstock
06-11-2004, 12:30 PM
sure, the Pistons have good and/or great defense.

but I refuse to believe that the Lakers can lose this series when they've beaten the best team out there - the Spurs

thanks to the refs for calling fouls on the Lakers, but not calling fouls on the Pistons

it always helps to score when Kobe's got 2 quick fouls and Shaq 3 of them.

if you don't think people clutch and grab Kobe, perhaps you should wear glasses.

If Kobe is going to be called for a foul for grabbing Hamilton, then the SAME foul should be called on Rick, or Tayshaun, etc.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-11-2004, 12:57 PM
you can not blame the loss on the refs.
shaq also gets away with alot to.
he walks with the ball, he goes over the back, and pushes around. the refs didn't make the lakers score 68 points. kobe was 4 for 11 shooting

insanefishpossay
06-11-2004, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by podstock
sure, the Pistons have good and/or great defense.

but I refuse to believe that the Lakers can lose this series when they've beaten the best team out there - the Spurs

thanks to the refs for calling fouls on the Lakers, but not calling fouls on the Pistons

it always helps to score when Kobe's got 2 quick fouls and Shaq 3 of them.

if you don't think people clutch and grab Kobe, perhaps you should wear glasses.

If Kobe is going to be called for a foul for grabbing Hamilton, then the SAME foul should be called on Rick, or Tayshaun, etc.

Congratulations.

You know now how EVERY OTHER TEAM feels when playing the Lakers.

podstock
06-11-2004, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
Congratulations.

You know now how EVERY OTHER TEAM feels when playing the Lakers.

lololol .....

cardbuyer66
06-11-2004, 02:42 PM
lol. POD-want to bet on the series? I do believe the Pistons will beat the Lakers. Ill make a big get on it too

podstock
06-12-2004, 11:41 AM
Sorry, Cardbuyer....

I don't bet on a team that has no heart.

I don't mind losing (and I often do when it comes to betting on my UCLA Bruins football and basketball team)....

but I won't lose money or cards on a team with no heart, no passion, and who play when they feel like it.

cardbuyer66
06-12-2004, 11:59 AM
I agree there. The pistons are the opposite (and pacers would have been too) I'll gladly bet and lose on a team that plays their hearts out then put money or cards on a favored team that doesnt show up. I will give anyone 2-1 odds who wants lakers in a bet

minew_m
06-12-2004, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
man did the lakers get killed or what.
86 to 68. isn't 68 that a laker playoff low.
minew_m/podstock now do you think they have a good defensive team.

I never said that they didn't have a good D. All I said is that they won't beat the Lakers and I still believe that they won't.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-12-2004, 02:37 PM
I THINK THE lakers came in to soft.
thinking that it would be just another west vs east game. they thought wrong.
the pistons want to win. lakers are shocked.

cardbuyer66
06-14-2004, 12:09 AM
Post #672, and the Lakers season is all but over. Game 5 will be the end :-) East won!

podstock
06-14-2004, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
I THINK THE lakers came in to soft.
thinking that it would be just another west vs east game. they thought wrong.
the pistons want to win. lakers are shocked.

I couldn't have said it better myself.....

if the Lakers knew back in game 1 what they know now, I guarantee you they would've played with heart, passion, and desire......

now, it's 99.99999% too late

it's never over until it's over.......but that time is near

podstock
06-14-2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by cardbuyer66
Post #672, and the Lakers season is all but over. Game 5 will be the end :-) East won!

Perhaps when the season is over, Kobe will realize that one man can't do it all

Kobe is an intelligent person (of course, he was stupid enough to fark a girl without having her sign a consent form not to sue him, so I am not sure how intelligent that was).....

and he should know that if Jordan and the Bulls did nothing in the 1980s....that Kobe won't be able to do anything on a team of his own.

boy, the Pistons absolutely shut down Kobe in 3 of these 4 games!

minew_m
06-14-2004, 03:12 PM
Well, the came back down 0-2 over the Spurs which are a much more dangerous team. I hope that they can come back down 3-1 in this series. Shaq is doing all he can. He had another monster game yesterday. Kobe is doing all he can with 3 guys on him. They need Malone or Fisher to step up and take open shots. None of them are doing anything this series.

cardbuyer66
06-14-2004, 03:12 PM
if they win tommorrow they can win both at home. I dont see it happening though.

minew_m
06-14-2004, 03:17 PM
They really NEED the win tomorrow. They can definitely win both at home. The game that they lost at home they really weren't taking seriously. Just look at the way they played. No D and too many turnovers. I bet you they wish they had that game back!

cardbuyer66
06-14-2004, 03:53 PM
Shaq plays, the rest of the team complains. Its a really old act, I'd love to see the Pistons end it at home....I want to see a team win it at home

minew_m
06-14-2004, 05:30 PM
Shaq's starting to play now. The first two games he wasn't really playing defense. Now he has turned it up, but unfortunitely it may be too late.

Anyway, does anyone listen to Tim Legler talk on NBA Shootaround on ESPN? I heard him a couple days ago and was really down on Kobe's defense. That's the first person that I have heard question Kobe's defense. I didn't think he was playing that bad defense.

insanefishpossay
06-14-2004, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
They really NEED the win tomorrow. They can definitely win both at home. The game that they lost at home they really weren't taking seriously. Just look at the way they played. No D and too many turnovers. I bet you they wish they had that game back!

And the second game they only won because of Kobe's miracle shot.

podstock
06-14-2004, 07:09 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
And the second game they only won because of Kobe's miracle shot.

a miracle shot is:

1. Derek Fisher catching and shooting in 0.4 seconds
2. Tim Duncan making a fall-away, fade-away 20 footer with Shaq all over him - when was the last time you saw Duncan making that type of shot?

Answer: never. Centers/power forwards do not shoot fall-away, fade-away shots 20-foot from the basket.


Kobe had 6.6 seconds (an eternity for a basketball player), he had several dribbles to set himself; Hamilton was nearby, but gave him room to extend his arms.

Kobe did what clutch shooters do: make the shot

insanefishpossay
06-14-2004, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by podstock
a miracle shot is:

1. Derek Fisher catching and shooting in 0.4 seconds
2. Tim Duncan making a fall-away, fade-away 20 footer with Shaq all over him - when was the last time you saw Duncan making that type of shot?

Answer: never. Centers/power forwards do not shoot fall-away, fade-away shots 20-foot from the basket.


Kobe had 6.6 seconds (an eternity for a basketball player), he had several dribbles to set himself; Hamilton was nearby, but gave him room to extend his arms.

Kobe did what clutch shooters do: make the shot

Fine, if you want to put it that way:
The only reason the lakers won was because of Kobes "clutch" shot.

Happy? :p

minew_m
06-14-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
And the second game they only won because of Kobe's miracle shot.

Lol, the playoffs are filled with these types of shots. You can question almost any Championship winner from the past. You can't question all of Jordan's "miracle" shots. He had the skill to make them. The better team won that night. Same for the Kobe shot. Lakers just let the Pistons slip into the game in the fourth quarter and Kobe bailed them out. It wasn't really miracle or luck, just a shot that he has made plenty of times.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-15-2004, 12:59 PM
kobe is running around like a dod trying to bite it's tale. Kobe has been shut down by
rip
hunter
prince
he needs to give the ball up and relie on his team mates

podstock
06-15-2004, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
kobe is running around like a dod trying to bite it's tale. Kobe has been shut down by
rip
hunter
prince
he needs to give the ball up and relie on his team mates

Here are the stats of Kobe's teammates (notwithstanding Shaq) in the NBA Finals:

Derek Fisher: 8 field goals in 30 attempts (26.67%)
Gary Payton: 8-25 (32%)
Malone: 8-24 (33.33%)
Devean George: 9-22 (40.91%)
Kareem Rush: 5-16 (31.25%)
Slava: 2-9 (22%)
Rick Fox 1-4 (25%)


LOOK AT THOSE STATS - you can check these stats by going to sportsline.com and looking at the box scores, then add up their makes and misses.

Most players shoot 40% from the field. The good shooters make 45%, and the great ones are 45%+

You're telling me Kobe should be giving those guys more chances to miss?

Have you been watching the Finals?

They are getting open shots .... maybe not wide open shots. But, this is the NBA. You're not supposed to be shooting with no one in your face.

That's why most of us can't play in the NBA: we can't make shots with someone in our face.

Rockman
06-15-2004, 06:12 PM
Kobe is shooting about 40 percent

He averages 22.5 points per game this series...............he aint playing like Kobe........................but that in no means is being shut down.

insanefishpossay
06-15-2004, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by podstock
That's why most of us can't play in the NBA: we can't make shots with someone in our face.

And some of us can't make shots period, regardless if anyone is in your face or not, lol.

podstock
06-15-2004, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
And some of us can't make shots period, regardless if anyone is in your face or not, lol.

lololol...you must have seen some of my basketball games on the playground park!!

:D

podstock
06-16-2004, 12:03 AM
6/15/04: 100-87, as the Pistons make history by sweeping all 3 home games of the 2-3-2 NBA Finals format, the first team ever to do so.

You know why we all are so passionate about sports?

B/c sports shows us that if you believe, if you care, if you desire, and if you are willing,

you can do anything.

NO ONE, and I repeat, NO ONE would have predicted the Pistons could beat the Lakers (except for Pistons fans).

I cried back in 1989 as a kid, watching the Pistons beat my Lakers without Magic and Byron Scott (2 of the 5 starters) playing in games 2, 3, or 4. And don't forget, Lakers were 11-0 in the playoffs before Scott and Magic injured their hamstrings.

But, this Lakers defeat at the hands of the Pistons meant nothing to me.

why?

who the fark cares whether $30M Kobe and $30M Shaq win or lose? Either way, they go home to their mansions, wives, and mistresses.

who the fark cares about a team that plays when it feels like it; and doesn't play when it doesn't feel like it.

I love the Lakers to death....but, I have no remorse as I see the final score. And I didn't even watch the game.

The Pistons deserve the championship. The better team won. And congrats to the Pistons - who showed their heart, passion, and desire.

Unlike life, where you automatically succeed if you are the son/daughter of a Donald Trump, in sports, NOTHING is given to you. You must go out and earn it.

what a sad state of affairs when I, as a Lakers fan, could care less that the Lakers lost.

insanefishpossay
06-16-2004, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by podstock

Unlike life, where you automatically succeed if you are the son/daughter of a Donald Trump, in sports, NOTHING is given to you. You must go out and earn it.


...unless you're a baseball player with Scott Boras as your agent...


Well written post, too bad about the Lakers...although I can't say I'm disappointed.

The thing is.... why couldn't the Lakers play like this against the wolves? :(

TurdFerguson
06-16-2004, 12:13 AM
I'm glad that the Pistons won even though I still hate them form the Bad Boy years when they were the team that kept my Bulls out of the Finals until they finally broke thru. I just think that this shows all of the sell outs (ie Karl Malone & Gary Payton) that staying loyal to the team you spent your whole career with actually means something to the fans of that respective city. I can appreciate that they wanted a title, but much like the Yankees whole thought they could just show up last year in the World Series & have it given to them - it wasn't and the team that worked the hardest won it.

podstock
06-16-2004, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by insanefishpossay
..The thing is.... why couldn't the Lakers play like this against the wolves? :(

The Wolves don't have the kind of defense the Pistons have, and the Wolves were missing Sam Cassell and Troy Hudson

Lakers are vulnerable vs. quick, fast, shooting guards, and that's what Cassell and Hudson are.

Heck, Hudson torched the Lakers for an average of 26+ points in the playoffs last year.

Bonds_25
06-16-2004, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by podstock

Lakers are vulnerable vs. quick, fast, shooting guards, and that's what Cassell and Hudson are.



Mike Bibby torched them as well.

podstock
06-16-2004, 12:33 AM
Bibby is the best of them all, I agree!

2 years ago, he was absolutely clutch, hitting jump shot after jump shot in the playoffs.

and that performance alone brought him his much deserved $60-80M salary.

Webber may have the $100M contract, but he is a choke artist. Bibby was absolutely Jordan-esque!

If Bibby could play his whole career vs. the Lakers, he'd be a Hall-of-Famer

insanefishpossay
06-16-2004, 12:41 AM
It was very nice to see Jack Nicholson after the game congratulating Larry Brown and the Pistons. All you ever see of Jack during games is him screaming at the refs, it seems. Nice to see he's not just another arrogant bandwagon fan.

podstock
06-16-2004, 12:50 AM
if there's a silver lining, it's that Larry Brown finally won his first NBA title

well-deserved!!

meuandthelot
06-16-2004, 12:53 AM
WOW!!

Even though I live in Michigan, I NEVER thought that the Pistons would Destroy the Lakers in 5.

Give the Lakers a series...Yes. Possibly win...yes
Win it going away in 5...Never!!

WOW!!

podstock
06-16-2004, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by meuandthelot
WOW!!

Even though I live in Michigan, I NEVER thought that the Pistons would Destroy the Lakers in 5.

Give the Lakers a series...Yes. Possibly win...yes
Win it going away in 5...Never!!

WOW!!

not only win in 5, but DOMINATE in all 5 games, despite losing game 2.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-16-2004, 06:37 PM
i would have much rather seen the wolves play the pistons. I think it would have been a close series

minew_m
06-19-2004, 11:09 AM
Well looks like there will be no Lakers next year. This is looking similar to the 1998 Bulls after Jordan left.

Kobe is exploring free agency.

Phil Opted out of his contract and will not coach next year.

Malone opted out of his contract but doesn't rule out playing if he is healthy.

Patyon is expected to opt out of his contract if Malone doesn't return.

Same goes for Fisher as it does for Payton.

And the big blow, Shaq is now requesting a trade. He declaired this Friday night. To tell you the truth the Bulls look like a front runner to get him. They are the only team to basically have the money to afford Shaq. They would probably give up some of their young, overpaid prospects.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-19-2004, 11:48 AM
espn said that shaq was going to be traded to pistons! hahaha
yeah right they going to keep the team they have not get a slow center

minew_m
06-19-2004, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
espn said that shaq was going to be traded to pistons! hahaha
yeah right they going to keep the team they have not get a slow center

That center that your talking about is the most dominate center in the league. I'd love to have him on my team.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-19-2004, 12:28 PM
but now older and lazier. the pistons have a young team for the most part.
i don't think offence is there game.
the pistons didn't have the team they have now all season. rasheed came in late. so im sure the pistons will want to keep there team.

minew_m
06-19-2004, 12:35 PM
The games that they did lose was because of a lack of offense. Shaq could surely fill that void.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-19-2004, 12:58 PM
rasheed can do that just give him a season he will.
billups will hamilton will prince maybe
wallace prob not

minew_m
06-19-2004, 01:05 PM
I find it hard to believe that they will do anymore than they did scoring this season.

podstock
06-19-2004, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Well looks like there will be no Lakers next year. This is looking similar to the 1998 Bulls after Jordan left.

Kobe is exploring free agency.

Phil Opted out of his contract and will not coach next year.

Malone opted out of his contract but doesn't rule out playing if he is healthy.

Patyon is expected to opt out of his contract if Malone doesn't return.

Same goes for Fisher as it does for Payton.

And the big blow, Shaq is now requesting a trade. He declaired this Friday night. To tell you the truth the Bulls look like a front runner to get him. They are the only team to basically have the money to afford Shaq. They would probably give up some of their young, overpaid prospects.

First, it's time for Phil to go and take his high-faluting Triangle offense and his zen-like "my team is up 15 points, the other team is on a 10-0 run, but I won't call a timeout b/c I want my team to figure out what they're doing wrong....and oh, no, now my team is down 20 points when just 1 quarter ago, we were up 15 points.." philosophy to whatever other team he's going to coach next.

Jackson had Jordan, then he had Shaq and Kobe. Let's see the Triangle offense work in an LA Clippers team, or even the current Chicago Bulls team!

Second, Payton needs to be released. Eat his contract. He's a worthless defender. Hell, in the Finals he was torched 121-11 points. Even if Payton couldn't score, at least stop Chauncey Billups. The GLOVE no longer fits in LA.

Third, hey, if Shaq wants a trade, get him the FARK out of town. He's fat, out of shape, and spent the last 2 summers NOT WORKING OUT AND KEEPING IN SHAPE. He's even stated many times (to ESPN, to LA Times newspaper, etc) that the summers are his to relax, and he will get in shape during the NBA season and peak right at the playoffs.

Well, that didn't work last year, and it sure as hell didn't work this year. Shaq would have good game, then faltered the next game.. and it's been documented on ESPN that Shaq's stats are decreased when he doesn't have 2-3 days to rest.

Fourth, keep Karl. He's a bit slow, can't jump as high, but he's a very effective defender, and still should be able to score 12-15 points a game. And he provides good veteran leadership

Fifth, Kobe will be back; if he leaves, the will make $35-50M less. Of course, if he goes to New York, they could always reimburse him via a new Nike contract, endorsements, etc to make up for that loss.

Shaq wants to leave, move the farker! He declares himself to be the most dominant, but gets totally dominated on the boards by Ben Wallace, who's 5 inches shorter (not counting the Afro hair!) and almost 100 pounds lighter. He says he'll make his free throws when he needs to make them. Well, when you're 5 out of 18 free throws, it DOESN'T FARKING matter if you miss your first 13 free throws and make the last 5 near the end of the game. You've still got 5-18.

It's Kobe time!!

Sure, you can stop Kobe.....but I'd rather be building a team around someone who plays offense, defense, and works out in the summers, than build around Shaq

minew_m
06-19-2004, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by podstock

Third, hey, if Shaq wants a trade, get him the FARK out of town. He's fat, out of shape, and spent the last 2 summers NOT WORKING OUT AND KEEPING IN SHAPE. He's even stated many times (to ESPN, to LA Times newspaper, etc) that the summers are his to relax, and he will get in shape during the NBA season and peak right at the playoffs.

Well, that didn't work last year, and it sure as hell didn't work this year. Shaq would have good game, then faltered the next game.. and it's been documented on ESPN that Shaq's stats are decreased when he doesn't have 2-3 days to rest.

Shaq wants to leave, move the farker! He declares himself to be the most dominant, but gets totally dominated on the boards by Ben Wallace, who's 5 inches shorter (not counting the Afro hair!) and almost 100 pounds lighter. He says he'll make his free throws when he needs to make them. Well, when you're 5 out of 18 free throws, it DOESN'T FARKING matter if you miss your first 13 free throws and make the last 5 near the end of the game. You've still got 5-18.

It's Kobe time!!

Sure, you can stop Kobe.....but I'd rather be building a team around someone who plays offense, defense, and works out in the summers, than build around Shaq


LOL! Kobe will never make it on his own. He won't even come close to winning a Championship without Shaq.

And what was that about Ben Wallace dominating him on the boards? He may have gotten 2 more boards per game more than Shaq but Shaq also had 16 more points per game than him.

We all saw what Kobe can in the playoffs....which isn't really that impressive.

I also rather Shaq relax in the summer than go messing around with girls. I guess that's what Kobe was doing this summer and look where it landed him. He may not even get the chance to play next year.

Then Shaq and his free throws. I rather him miss those than miss most of the shots he takes. Kobe shot 17% from the 3-point line in the finals and only 24% for the whole playoffs. He also was shooting 38% from the field. I don't know about you, but I'd rather build around Shaq.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-19-2004, 04:07 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by minew_m
[B]LOL! Kobe will never make it on his own. He won't even come close to winning a Championship without Shaq.
play next year.



he'll do great by him self he had to pass to shaq.

minew_m
06-19-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
he'll do great by him self he had to pass to shaq.


Any now who will he pass to? If there's no big man that means it is going to be easy to put two men on him. They already double Shaq so now they'll just be able to double Kobe too. Whenever Kobe was struggeling, he had Shaq to bail him out.

podstock
06-19-2004, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
We all saw what Kobe can in the playoffs....which isn't really that impressive.

I also rather Shaq relax in the summer than go messing around with girls. I guess that's what Kobe was doing this summer and look where it landed him. He may not even get the chance to play next year.

Then Shaq and his free throws. I rather him miss those than miss most of the shots he takes. Kobe shot 17% from the 3-point line in the finals and only 24% for the whole playoffs. He also was shooting 38% from the field. I don't know about you, but I'd rather build around Shaq.

whoa!!!

Yes, Kobe stunk up the joint in the Finals this year, in part due to his stubbornness, in part due to his ego, in part due to his stupidity and selfishness.

I don't deny that.

But if you are saying that the 3 titles the Lakers won were with Shaq and his group of merry men, then you perhaps would like to purchase a copy of every playoffs games in 2000, 2001, 2002

I tape them all, and then keep the tapes in which the Lakers win.

Naturally, that meant all the tapes i used for this year will now get deleted.

Kobe is a clutch player in a clutch performance.

yes, Kobe stunk up the joint.

BUT REMEMBER SOMETHING: The Pistons tripled teamed him. And when he passed, the others were shooting 25-35% from the field -- surely you read a post of mine previously that listed the rest of the Lakers and their shooting percentages.

It's one thing to perform badly when guarded one-on-one.

The Pistons got Tayshuan on Kobe, then, 2 other Pistons were right there in case Kobe went past Tayshaun.

Again, I don't deny that Kobe had a horrible Finals.

But these past 2 years, Shaq has regressed while Kobe has progressed - it's that simple.

you konw it, I know it. Kobe knows it. Shaq knows it.

Back in the 1980s, Jerry Buss built the team around Magic and Kareem Abdul Jabbar was smart enough to be the 2nd option

Now, if Shaq was smart, he'd do the same thing.

Shaq's time has come and gone. He will continue to be dominant for 2-3 more years....but the past 4-5 years where Shaq flopped around in the summer (doing a movie, working on his rap music, hanging out) and then coming to training camp overweight, then using the regular season to get in shape ----- all this caught up with him.

Kobe's stayed behind the limelight long enough.

I wouldn't complain at all if Shaq worked out, and had 1/2 the dedication and passion that Kobe did.

But even you, an ardent Shaq supporter, CANNOT tell me that Shaq has the passion and desire of Kobe.

Shaq now is like when Shaq was a rookie -

1. cannot shoot outside of 3-5 feet
2. basically bullies his way to the hoop
3. free throws getting worse and worse.

In the past 4-5 years, you've seen Kobe become a better shooter, a better dribbler, a better assist person, a better defense player (3-time All NBA 1st team defense), etc.

Yes, Kobe has low 3-point shooting %.

but, would you take Steve Kerr and his 48% 3-point shooting over Kobe Bryant????

minew_m
06-19-2004, 09:42 PM
Originally posted by podstock

But if you are saying that the 3 titles the Lakers won were with Shaq and his group of merry men, then you perhaps would like to purchase a copy of every playoffs games in 2000, 2001, 2002

BUT REMEMBER SOMETHING: The Pistons tripled teamed him. And when he passed, the others were shooting 25-35% from the field -- surely you read a post of mine previously that listed the rest of the Lakers and their shooting percentages.

but these past 2 years, Shaq has regressed while Kobe has progressed - it's that simple.

Shaq's time has come and gone. He will continue to be dominant for 2-3 more years....but the past 4-5 years where Shaq flopped around in the summer (doing a movie, working on his rap music, hanging out) and then coming to training camp overweight, then using the regular season to get in shape ----- all this caught up with him.

In the past 4-5 years, you've seen Kobe become a better shooter, a better dribbler, a better assist person, a better defense player (3-time All NBA 1st team defense), etc.


First of all, Shaq is doubled and tripled all the time, so why can't Kobe still play when the same happens to him. There are very few players that would not just give up in a situation like that but Shaq goes through it every day.

As for the Finals the years that the Lakers won it.... who was the MVP each and every time. Shaq was. He was more dominant than Kobe was.

As for Shaq regressing for the past 4-5 years, I really don't see that. The only stat that is down is his points per game. That is because he took less that 1,000 shots this year. There were only two other season like that, and he was injured for almost half each of those seasons. His field goal percentage is the highest it's been for 6 years, his rebounding is better than he did the past two seasons, his blocks are the best they have been for the past three seasons. He is also third in the NBA in effiency rating which really puts all the stats together. Shaq also ranks in the top 20 in 21 of the NBA's major categories.

Kobe on the other hand, had a lower field goal percentage since his first two seasons, same goes for his rebounding, his assists are down from the past three seasons, and he ranks in the top 20 in only 11 major categories (effiency is 9th by the way).

You also talked about Shaq going into camp overweight? This year he went into camp in the best condition he has been in for a while. He even hired a personal trainer.

podstock
06-20-2004, 01:39 PM
You and I can go back and forth on this Shaq/Kobe topic until we both turn blue.

but the bottom line is:

the Lakers are now focusing on Kobe, and if Shaq looks to leave, then he is welcomed to do so.

Shaq has had his chances to dominate, or in his words, become the Most Dominant Ever

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but, since his rookie year of 1992, Shaq has basically used his God-given 7'2" and 375-lbs to bully his way to the basket.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar not only could lay-up and dunk, but he had a devastating hook-shot, which he used to become the league's all-time scorer

Akeem Olajuwon could not only lay up and dunk, but that Dream Shake move of his carried his team to 2 NBA Titles, including one over Shaq and Penny Hardaway's Orlando Magic, in which Akeem hit shot after shot from 15+ foot.

David Robinson could lay up and dunk, but he has a beautiful 12-15 footer that he could consistently hit.

Patrick Ewing could lay up and dunk, but he also had a fairly consistent outside shot.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN SHAQ SHOOT A 12-15 FOOTER??

Why is this important? B/c as you age, and get slow, it's much easier for the other team to defend you with their quickness, athleticism. It's no longer as easy to just power your way through.

Why did Shaq not ever improve on his game?

Is there something Shaq has now that Shaq didn't have when he came into the game as a rookie?

You sit there and talk about Kobe's low shooting percentage.

Sure, you've got a point there...but do you watch the Lakers on a regular basis - say 60 out of an 82 game season??

how many times do the Lakers give Kobe the ball with 7 seconds left and he's got to chuck it up?

Sure, Kobe throws up foolish shots, and stubbornly shoots with 3 folks on him......

but, are you saying you'd rather have a Peja Stojakovic and his 50% shooting than Kobe and his 35% shooting?

Ever see Peja in the playoffs - he's been ABSOLUTELY SHUT DOWN

go to www.sacbee.com/sports

go read their archives in the playoffs for the past 5-6 years. THEY DOCUMENT HOW TEAMS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SHUT DOWN PEJA AND HIS 50% FG SHOOTING AND HIS 90% FREE THROW SHOOTING.

B/t Kobe and whoever you choose in the game as the best FG% shooter (Peja, Dirk Nowitski, etc) who would YOU choose for your team?

More importantly, who do you think the general managers would choose?

minew_m
06-20-2004, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by podstock
the Lakers are now focusing on Kobe, and if Shaq looks to leave, then he is welcomed to do so.

Sure, you've got a point there...but do you watch the Lakers on a regular basis - say 60 out of an 82 game season??

B/t Kobe and whoever you choose in the game as the best FG% shooter (Peja, Dirk Nowitski, etc) who would YOU choose for your team?

More importantly, who do you think the general managers would choose?

To answer your questions: If the Lakers are focusing on Kobe so much, why didn't they already resign him? Why are they letting other teams try to pick him up? They knew for a while that he was a free agent after this season and they had a chance to try to work things out with him.

Yes I do watch most of the Laker games every year.

You also talked about the shots with 7 seconds or whatever left on the clock. That's only one shot a game, most games it doesn't even come down to that. That definitely doesn't play a factor into his shooting percentage.

I would choose Dirk. He has size and the ability to shoot all over the court.

As for a player to build around, I think 9 out of 10 teams would choose Shaq. Why is it that before every game, the talk is how are we going to stop Shaq? He is the most dominant and can't be stopped.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-20-2004, 04:19 PM
minew_m youre roght on the last comment

minew_m
06-20-2004, 04:44 PM
stalking_WOLF_21- Who would you chose?

podstock
06-20-2004, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
To answer your questions: If the Lakers are focusing on Kobe so much, why didn't they already resign him? Why are they letting other teams try to pick him up? They knew for a while that he was a free agent after this season and they had a chance to try to work things out with him.

Yes I do watch most of the Laker games every year.

I would choose Dirk. He has size and the ability to shoot all over the court.

As for a player to build around, I think 9 out of 10 teams would choose Shaq. Why is it that before every game, the talk is how are we going to stop Shaq? He is the most dominant and can't be stopped.

First, I do not know the logistics as to why they didn't sign him up in the previous years. But, I do know this, if Kobe signs or not, it will be HIS choice. The Lakers and the owner (who pays the bill) said Kobe gets the max $140M

Do you KNOW the reason why they didn't sign him 2-3 years ago? My guess is that you are, by league rules, not allowed to do so.

Second....naturally, I would expect for you to pick anyone but Kobe. Dirk has been a non-factor in the past 3-4 playoffs. He is purely an offensive player. You know it, I know it, Dallas knows it, and everyone who knows basketball knows it.

Only an idiot or a stubborn fool picks Dirk over Kobe.

1. Does Dirk play defense? No
2. Does Kobe play defense? well, other than the fact that Kobe is a 3-time all-NBA 1st team defense, and that the analysts agree that Kobe is the best defensive guard in the last several years, Kobe really isn't much of a defensive player I guess (sarcasm)

2. Does Dirk play offense? Yes, averaging 25.5 points a game
2. Does Kobe play offense? hmmmmmm, average 22+ points, clutch player in the playoffs, 3 titles.......

3. How has Dirk performed in the playoffs as compared to regular season --- well, if you have been watching Dallas play the last 3-4 years, you will see that Dirk's performance in the playoffs is sub par.
3. How has Kobe performed in the playoffs?
-- ask the Spurs in 2000
-- ask the Indiana Pacers in 2000 Finals
-- ask the Kings in 2001, 2002
-- ask the Spurs in 2004
etc. etc.

You see, you can make a case for Shaq (as can I). But there is NO OTHER player (except Tim Duncan) in this league that has accomplish anything close to what Kobe and/or Shaq has accomplished.

Third - yes, I agree. If you build a team, you ALWAYS start at center; because rarely will you get a 7' center with MASSIVE size and strength.

but, Shaq no longer can do what he used to do.

I feel like I am talking to a wall - what is it that newspapers (LA Times, MSNBC.com, Sports Illustrated), media (ESPN, Fox Sports, etc), and others say that Shaq no longer can perform the way he used to.....but you keep muttering that he can?

Are you and I watching the same game? the same player? in the same time frame?

If Shaq were in shape; if Shaq had heart; if Shaq had passion, I'd take 1/2 of Shaq over Kobe any day..........

Do you remember in 2003, when Shaq spent the whole summer doing whatever he wanted, then decided in late August to undergo toe surgery, and used the rest of the season to get in shape? You know what his reply was when asked why he didn't get the surgery right after the season ended?

"...I got hurt on company time; I'll use company time to get surgery and heal..."

This is why the Lakers don't care as much for Shaq any more. He isn't what he used to be, and that's the bottom line.

How can you, I or anyone (except Shaq, his family, and his paid servants) say that Shaq will now have the heart, passion, and desire to come to training camp fit and in shape?

SHAQ HAS DECLARED THAT HIS SUMMERS ARE HIS; AND HE USES THE NBA SEASON TO GET INTO SHAPE

stalking_WOLF_21
06-20-2004, 05:42 PM
prob kobe and put him the suns uni and he'll have amare marion J. Johnson.
and maybe mcdyess

minew_m
06-20-2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Do you KNOW the reason why they didn't sign him 2-3 years ago? My guess is that you are, by league rules, not allowed to do so.

Second....naturally, I would expect for you to pick anyone but Kobe. Dirk has been a non-factor in the past 3-4 playoffs. He is purely an offensive player. You know it, I know it, Dallas knows it, and everyone who knows basketball knows it.

Only an idiot or a stubborn fool picks Dirk over Kobe.

1. Does Dirk play defense? No
2. Does Kobe play defense? well, other than the fact that Kobe is a 3-time all-NBA 1st team defense, and that the analysts agree that Kobe is the best defensive guard in the last several years, Kobe really isn't much of a defensive player I guess (sarcasm)

Third - yes, I agree. If you build a team, you ALWAYS start at center; because rarely will you get a 7' center with MASSIVE size and strength.

but, Shaq no longer can do what he used to do.

I feel like I am talking to a wall - what is it that newspapers (LA Times, MSNBC.com, Sports Illustrated), media (ESPN, Fox Sports, etc), and others say that Shaq no longer can perform the way he used to.....but you keep muttering that he can?

SHAQ HAS DECLARED THAT HIS SUMMERS ARE HIS; AND HE USES THE NBA SEASON TO GET INTO SHAPE

I just read an article on ESPN. Maybe you should read it (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1824721). You question Shaq's heart and passion for the team. But then you stick up for a guy (Kobe) who just last year was constantly late for practice and team meetings. Seems like a real team player to me!

And you wanna talk about summers? Kobe put his career in jeopardy with what he did in Colorado. But I guess you'll tell me next that it was for the good of the team!

Also you talked about articles saying Shaq can't play anymore? I'd like to see that.

All the analysts don't agree that Kobe is the best defender out there. If you watched many of the pre-game shows in the finals they were actually questioning Kobe's defense. He just lets defenders blow by him and expects his teamates to do the rest of the work.

The reason I picked Dirk over Kobe is because Dirk gives a damn about his teammates. He knows when he's off and doesn't keep on tossing shots. He gets his teammates involved. And actually he does play defense. He gets more boards than Kobe, is a factor blocking shots and can steal the ball. He is a complete player with a head on his shoulders!

minew_m
06-20-2004, 06:28 PM
Also wanted to add in Rudy Tomjanovich is interested in the vacant Lakers coaching job.

podstock
06-20-2004, 07:32 PM
Kobe definitely is selfish, and that's why he did the things he did this year.

He is looking to take control of the team, and part of doing that is usurping the authority (being late to games, cussing out Jackson, etc)

and yes, he did the surgery without letting the Lakers know.

But, at this point in time, given the choice b/t a healthy, going into his prime Kobe at age 26

or

an aging, oft-injured, out-of-shape, slow Shaq who's gonna be 33 when the NBA season starts again

I choose Kobe.

More importantly, Jerry Buss chooses Kobe

lolol...Dirk gets more rebounds than Kobe? Dirk is a center, a 6'11" player, so naturally, you'd expect someone who's taller to get more rebounds. Same for block shots

As for steals, lolol...Kobe doesn't steal the ball on defense?

that's weak, man. Dirk plays nary a defense...there's no way you can tell me he plays defense.

minew_m
06-20-2004, 08:27 PM
Just look at the stats. It will show he does play defense if you don't catch many Mavs games.

minew_m
06-21-2004, 03:12 PM
Speaking of Dirk........ according to Chad Ford of ESPN a Dirk/Shaq trade may happen. Just read it on ESPN. I guess Dallas is also looking to get Shaq.

podstock
06-21-2004, 06:34 PM
that would be a shame.

We don't need Dirk

We need a center who can play dominant defense and score a few points; Shaq is ideal,

but if he insists on getting the maximum $30M+ for the next 5-7 years (which is what he wants), then trade him

Kevin Garnett took a pay cut from his $30M a year once he signed the new contract. He's now making $20M, and this frees up money for the Timberwolves to get better players.

KG is still in the prime of his career.

Why pay Shaq $30M+ for the next 5-7 years, when the last 2 years, he's not done well enough to deserve $30M

if KG can take a pay cut (he was paid a 5-7 year, $120M contract that just expired and signed a new one at about $20 that will go as high as $25M at the end of this contract),

why can't Shaq take a paycut?

it's not like Shaq is setting the world on fire these past 2 years, what with his coming to NBA season out of shape, his drop in free throw % from 55% to now below 49%, his drop in rebounds, etc.

minew_m
06-21-2004, 09:56 PM
The reason Shaq wants so much is because he doesn't want to stay in LA. He's obeying Kobes wishes. I guess Kobe is a little selfish and is getting what he wants. He wanted Phil and Shaq out so it could be his team. I just hope this backfires on him.

podstock
06-22-2004, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
The reason Shaq wants so much is because he doesn't want to stay in LA. He's obeying Kobes wishes. I guess Kobe is a little selfish and is getting what he wants. He wanted Phil and Shaq out so it could be his team. I just hope this backfires on him.

actually, that incorrect.

Shaq wants the maximum (i.e. $30M+ for the next 5-7 year, or over $150M), and most lilkely wants a big market -- like LA or NY

yes, Kobe is selfish

but surely you are not trying to say that Shaq isn't selfish?

what about his famous quote 2 years ago, when he waited all summer, then had toe surgery in September, and missed about 2 months, then used the rest of the season to get healthy, and the Lakers lost to the Spurs, when he said "...I got hurt on company time, I'll have surgery and rehab on company time..."

or what about Shaq coming to training camp out of shape for the past 3 years? Yes, he came into camp in better shape this year than the previous 2 years.

How come Kevin Garnett, coming off a monster 5-6 year contract that paid him a whopping $140M, then re-signed a brand new contract that averages $25M for the next 5 years, can take a paycut while in his prime, but Shaq doesn't??

KG is in the prime of his career, and you can pretty much count on him (and Duncan and Elton Brand) to get 10+ rebounds, 10+ points every game?

Why can't Shaq take a pay cut? It's not like he's performing at the highest level 90% of the time

minew_m
06-23-2004, 10:33 AM
And why doesn't Kobe want Phil or Shaq there. It's because he wants the spotlight and want the ball every damn time they have a possession. He'll soon realize that he can't do it on his own. He isn't even, by far, the best player in the league. Even KG couldn't get past the first round on his own. The reason he took a paycut was to bring other guys in once he realized this. It looks like Kobe is headed in the opposite direction.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-23-2004, 12:22 PM
minew_m
you were absolutly right about garnett not be able to be a one man team.
THERE IS NO ONE MAN TEAM! it jsut can't happen. every superstar HAS TO HAVE HELP. The biggest reason i think kg got a paycut.
he wanted a champioship or just out of the first round. He knows that he can't win it by himself.

minew_m
06-23-2004, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
minew_m
you were absolutly right about garnett not be able to be a one man team.
THERE IS NO ONE MAN TEAM! it jsut can't happen. every superstar HAS TO HAVE HELP. The biggest reason i think kg got a paycut.
he wanted a champioship or just out of the first round. He knows that he can't win it by himself.

And he got the help and look where it got him this year. A lot closer to another championship than in past years. This year they'll will have an even better chance. If they can overcome the injuries they had this year, they will be in contension. I really don't see the Lakers being a factor this year. The only trade talks are just for Amare or Dirk. Amare is still too young to take a leadership role with LA and Dirk is really just an outside shooter on offense. They still would need a big man in the middle. Maybe just the Spurs, Kings, and Mavs (depending on who they get and lose; T-mac and Shaq both want to go there) will have a chace alone with the T-wolves.

podstock
06-23-2004, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
And why doesn't Kobe want Phil or Shaq there. It's because he wants the spotlight and want the ball every damn time they have a possession. He'll soon realize that he can't do it on his own. He isn't even, by far, the best player in the league. Even KG couldn't get past the first round on his own. The reason he took a paycut was to bring other guys in once he realized this. It looks like Kobe is headed in the opposite direction.

I do agree with your sentiments.

With Shaq gone, and with a Lakers team of Kobe and his 4 sycophants, the Lakers are the Clippers.

it's a shame Gary Payton is coming back. The guy was useless on defense (hell, the man he was supposed to guard, Chauncey, outscored him 115-21 and got the Finals MVP).

But Payton came back b/c he realized no one else was stupid enough to pay for an aging point guard who can't score and can't defend.

what a shame; we had a great team and Shaq and Kobe destroy it.

Perhaps they'll both break their ankles and become the next Grant Hill!

minew_m
06-23-2004, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by podstock
I do agree with your sentiments.

With Shaq gone, and with a Lakers team of Kobe and his 4 sycophants, the Lakers are the Clippers.

it's a shame Gary Payton is coming back. The guy was useless on defense (hell, the man he was supposed to guard, Chauncey, outscored him 115-21 and got the Finals MVP).

But Payton came back b/c he realized no one else was stupid enough to pay for an aging point guard who can't score and can't defend.

what a shame; we had a great team and Shaq and Kobe destroy it.

Perhaps they'll both break their ankles and become the next Grant Hill!


Lol, I'm still hoping for a Grant Hill comeback! I loved watching him play for Duke, but like any other Duke athlete to make it to the NBA, something terrible had to end his career.

I'm really surprised Payton did come back. But it is probably like you said, no one else really wants and old point guard who can't do all that much. He may surprise us though and do better without the triangle offense (an offene that he still doesn't know what to do in)!

It's going to be interesting to see what the Lakers do in the draft. They need some big men who can rebound and score. Hell, they needed that this year too.

minew_m
06-23-2004, 09:58 PM
Also I read an article that the Dirk/Shaq trade probably won't happen. Mark Cuban still want's Shaq, but Dirk is "as close to untouchable as it gets." Not sure who else they can dish out for Shaq. The only other people are Antoine Walker (an overpaid forward who just rely's on 3's) or Finley. Those are the only real candidates because they'd have to dump one of their huge salaries to take on Shaq's huge salary.

minew_m
06-25-2004, 10:00 AM
Well with the draft, the Lakers chose:
#27. Sasha Vujacic - Slovenia
#56. Marcus Douthit - Providence

I really like the Vujacic pick. He is going to be a great guard. He already played in the Elite League in Italy. Half the kids in the draft wouldn't be able to do what he did there. He can pass and shoot which is a very big plus considering what the team may consist of next year.

I'm not really sure why they picked Douthit. He is a big man that they needed, but he can't score, rebound, or pass. He played for Providence and all he could do is block shots.

podstock
06-26-2004, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by minew_m
Also I read an article that the Dirk/Shaq trade probably won't happen. Mark Cuban still want's Shaq, but Dirk is "as close to untouchable as it gets." Not sure who else they can dish out for Shaq. The only other people are Antoine Walker (an overpaid forward who just rely's on 3's) or Finley. Those are the only real candidates because they'd have to dump one of their huge salaries to take on Shaq's huge salary.

The Lakers would be STUPID to take a trade with the Mavs that doesn't include Dirk

Antoine is your typical over-hyped ballplayer who can't defend, and can only score when he's hot.

Too bad Boston wised up and traded Walker....I enjoyed the 3 years he spent shooting the Celtics out of the playoffs, jacking up 3-pointer after 3-pointer after 3-pointer. It wasn't like the Celtics were NBA Finals-worthy, but they never had much of a chance to advance with Walker playing worse than you or I could.

The only trade that makes sense is Indiana

We get Jermaine O'Neal, Ron Artest, Austin Croshere

Pacers get Shaq

now that's a trade the Lakers should make in a heartbeat!!!

we got a "center", a great defensive forward to go with Kobe, and the enigmatic Croshere (whose play in the 2000 NBA Finals vs. the Lakers resulted in his $55M contract the next year - after which he promplty did nothing)

podstock
06-26-2004, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by minew_m
Well with the draft, the Lakers chose:
#27. Sasha Vujacic - Slovenia
#56. Marcus Douthit - Providence

I really like the Vujacic pick. He is going to be a great guard. He already played in the Elite League in Italy.
I'm not really sure why they picked Douthit. He is a big man that they needed, but he can't score, rebound, or pass. He played for Providence and all he could do is block shots.

not sure what to say about Vujacic, other than that he'll be on the bench quite often.

As for Douthit, well, the fact that he can't score means kobe gets to jack up more shots

minew_m
06-26-2004, 07:52 PM
I'd be surprised if Douthit made the team. Well you never know now, the Lakers only have 7 or 8 people left on their roster. They'll need people to warm the bench. Douthit will never help Kobe out because he can't rebound or pass, lol. It looks like Cook and Walton will be getting a lot of playing time. Rush will also have to step up to take pressure off of Kobe.

podstock
06-26-2004, 09:32 PM
Unfortunately, I don't see Kareem Rush as being that good (despite his hot shooting in game 6 of West Conf. Finals vs, the Timberwolves)

Rush is not that great of a ballhandler
He doesn't play defense that well (but he does try, fwiw)
He is a streaky shooter.

All NBA players are good.

The great ones, like Shaq and Kobe, are great almost all the time.

The rest are like Rush -- when they're hot, they're awesome; when they're cold, I could beat them on the NBA court.

minew_m
06-26-2004, 09:38 PM
I'd give Rush a chance though. It is only his second full season in the NBA. Unlike his brother Jaron (you must remember him, lol) he is willing to learn and develop. He did do a great job for the Lakers when Kobe was injured and he started in his place. I'd give him a year or two more and he'll be a legitimate starter.

podstock
06-26-2004, 09:58 PM
Oh, I defintely think Rush is worthy of being a starter someday...

if only he could play defense like Derek Fisher -- good solid defense. Not great, but good enough.

As for JaRon - what a shame!

He not only ruined his life, but screwed the UCLA Bruins basketball program with his unexpected leave. We ALL KNEW he wasn't going to make it - too flashy, no substance. Was too skinny. Couldn't play defense. Was a streaky shooter. Didn't have size.

it's one thing to be a 7'6" Manute Bol and be skinny; but when you're about 6'6" like JaRon, and you're weak and skinny, you have no chance in the NBA, much like this year's Sebastian Telfair and Sean Livingston (both right out of high school). Livingston had the tryout with a bunch of teams watching him, and he couldn't do ONE SINGLE bench press at 185 lbs.

are you kidding!?!?! not one bench press of 185??? Karl Malone could probably bench that with his pinky!


JaRon is now living in an apartment.

All he had to do was spend 2 more years fine tuning his game, or at the least spend 1 more year at UCLA....and he'd have been a higher lottery pick.

I do not believe JaRon was drafted; instead he became a free agent, was given a tryout, but I do not believe he ever played in an NBA game

Kareem was smart, and learned from his brother's mistake. Kareem could've left after his sophomore year, like JaRon, instead, he stayed 1 more year

and came into the NBA more polished.

Kareem's defense was about as good as JaRon's (which is to say, not all that good). The biggest difference was that Kareem had a somewhat more reliable perimeter shot, was picked #19 by the Lakers (which naturally meant they would give him time to develop). As a free agent like Jaron, or any late draft picks - if you don't perform, you are released, due to financial constraints on the salary cap.

minew_m
06-26-2004, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by podstock
I do not believe JaRon was drafted; instead he became a free agent, was given a tryout, but I do not believe he ever played in an NBA game

Kareem's defense was about as good as JaRon's. The biggest difference was that Kareem had a somewhat more reliable perimeter shot.

There's another difference too, his heart. Kareem seems to love the game for all the right reasons. Unlike his brother who was just in it for the money. There was always questions about Jaron's heart when he left the team for a while due to "sickness" during his freshman year. And then there was the problems with his coach and his agent.

He never was drafted in the NBA. He did play for the Knights, I believe it was, in the ABA but was soon dropped in 2002 (I think it was then). The Sonics even wanted to give him a try but he couldn't even make their practice roster. I think now he is trying to make a comeback and trying to get into the NBADL.

podstock
06-26-2004, 11:34 PM
JaRon, at this point in his life, probably couldn't make any WNBA team

minew_m
06-27-2004, 08:31 AM
Lol, have to agree with that statement.

podstock
06-28-2004, 06:11 PM
well, Shaq just put up his $7.5M mansion in Bel Air up for sale

that ad is in the Real Estate section of the Sunday newspaper this past week

what with him bad-mouthing the Lakers and now putting his house for sale, looks like this is it.

what a shame and what a hypocrite.

Shaq cries about not getting a $150M extension for 5 more years, then talks about how the Lakers are not committed to winning

lololol

1. Lakers have won 14-15 titles in their history
2. Lakers just won 3 during Shaq/Kobe era
3. Lakers have most wins in post-season history (even more than the Celtics)
4. Lakers have the most wins in regular season (even more than the Celtics)
5. Lakers have played in more Finals than any other basketball organization.

Shaq is sour at the fact the Lakers are too smart to give a far, out-of-shape ex-superstar $30-35M a year for the next 5 years (and that's after 2 MORE years -- 2004 and 2005 - in which Shaq will get $27.7M and $30M GUARANTEED)

lololololol..... good bye to Shaq, whose best years are BEHIND him

gee, Kevin Garnett is entering the prime of his career, is about 28-29 years old, and TOOK A PAYCUT from $30M to about $22M for the next 4-5 years

and Malone came here for $1M

lololol.....we'll see if the team that has Shaq makes it to the Finals.

Shaq has claimed he's good for 55 wins a season............

minew_m
06-28-2004, 06:16 PM
I think the whole reason Shaq left is because of how the Lakers treated him. They basically put him on hold and said they were trying to work out things with Kobe first. Only after that broke out is when we heard about the money situation. He knows the Lakers can't afford it so the only thing for them to do is trade him. I wouldn't be surprised if he signed an extension for less with another team who was more respecting of him.

podstock
06-28-2004, 07:23 PM
it's ALWAYS about MONEY

Once in 20 years, you get a Karl Malone who plays for $1M a year (but reemmber that he's got over $150M in his career, so he's not exactly poor)

if owner Jerry Buss came back from his vacation in Italy today and offered Shaq a 5- year contract (good until 2010 when it expires) at $30M a year, with 10% increases annually,

do you not think Shaq will sign?

lolololol....if you are a businessman, you do what the Lakers are doing right now

Shaq has his time....Shaq mis-used it (making bull™™™™ moves like Kazaam), and now is paying for being out-of-shape and overweight. He's slow, he's lost lateral movement, and he can't play well on back-to-back games.

it's Kobe time

This is a business, and what the Lakers are doing is the right thing.

Spurs proved that you could beat Shaq and Kobe last year
Pistons proved that you could beat Shaq and Kobe this year

we need other players, and to get other good players, you need to spend the money.

good riddance to Shaq, who can take his 4-18 free throw shooting to Dallas, or where ever the hell he's going!

Once again, I'll reiterate: How you can be the Most Dominant Ever, and NOT WIN ONE SINGLE NBA Defensive player of the year??

Dennis Rodman won it a few times
Alonzo Mourning won it
Tim Duncan won it
Ben Wallace
Ron Artest
David Robinson

Shaq could've been the greatest ever, but like the majority of athletes who make $100M before they could drink alcohol, Shaq never improved his game.

1. He couldn't shoot outside 10-foot when he came in as a rookie.. he still can't
2. He couldn't shoot free throws when he came in as a rookie... now, he's even worse than the 51% he shot as a rookie

(hell, Magic Johnson was a 79% free throw shooter in his rookie year, and got to the point where he shot 90.5% one year, and spent the majority of his years in the mid 80%)

3. He never developed a post-op move (bull-rushing your way over smaller players isn't a skill ... if it were, then I, too, am very talented and deserve to make millions - b/c if you put me up against someone 3-4 inches smaller than me, and 100 lbs lighter than me, I too could ram my way in for dunks).

The answer is simple: Shaq was given all his money, and never had to earn it, thus, he never needed to develop his game.

You look at the great players -- Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Dr. J,

All these players were of average size and weight...what made them different was that they improved on their game summer after summer.

And that's why the Lakers are letting Shaq leave. He played well, He helped us win 3 titles, and we paid him over $130M to do it.

good riddance to the self-proclaimed Most Dominant Ever, and don't the the door hit your fat ™™™™™ on the way out!

minew_m
06-28-2004, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by podstock

Once again, I'll reiterate: How you can be the Most Dominant Ever, and NOT WIN ONE SINGLE NBA Defensive player of the year??

Dennis Rodman won it a few times
Alonzo Mourning won it
Tim Duncan won it
Ben Wallace
Ron Artest
David Robinson



Those guys are basically purely defense. You aren't going to sit there and tell me that one of those guy are "more dominant" than Shaq!

I also have a question for you, have you ever played competitive basketball? It's one thing to just shoot over one person when they are guarding you (like Kobe does) but it's another when you are double or triple teamed in the post. It is almost impossible to put up a good shot but Shaq seems to make over 60% of those. How many of the guys on your list on top were that effective shooting or playing in the post?

I'm really anxious for Dallas to get Shaq. It's time for them to win their championship!

podstock
06-28-2004, 09:11 PM
Minew,

No, I've never played competitively...the most I've done is playground ball with my buddies.

I am too short to play...and I am not at all talented.

But that doesn't mean I can't recognize when someone is half-assing their performance, like Shaq does.

And Shaq even admitted he doesn't work out when he's not on "company time".

It will be fun next year........

minew_m
06-28-2004, 09:42 PM
Your right about one thing, next season will be fun.

stalking_WOLF_21
06-28-2004, 10:07 PM
yeah it well be cool to see the lakers but kicked against the t-wolves

podstock
06-28-2004, 10:41 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
yeah it well be cool to see the lakers but kicked against the t-wolves

and what would you say if the Wolves lost again next year to the Lakers....but this time, without Shaq playing

:o)

stalking_WOLF_21
06-29-2004, 01:01 AM
then i would say i going for the pistons there better. JUsT KIDDING!!! (HAHAHA)
no t-wolves will be up there but it really is on cassel to be healthy. he runs the offence and keeps everybody in the game. hopefully sprewell won't be so streaky like he has been most of his career. then with wally trent and hudson playing it would be a great team.

minew_m
07-01-2004, 05:23 PM
Well, bad news for my Duke Blue Devils but may be good news for the Lakers. I guess the Lakers and Coach K are in a "serious discussion" about the coaching vacancy. Personally I don't think his offense would be good in the NBA. It works for college, but there aren't as many big ego's at the college level as the pros. His offense basically give everyone around the same amount of shots. If you look at last years starting 5, they took all around the same ammount of shots. When you have Kobe, and maybe Shaq on the team, that definitely won't work. It also won't working when you have a supporting cast like the Lakers other starters. Duke usually has a team were they can all hit shots when they are open, the Lakers haven't been so lucky in the past few seasons......

Also I heard that Fisher wants to play in Houston next year. I wonder who's just going to fill the Laker roster.

minew_m
07-01-2004, 05:26 PM
Well the news just seems to be getting better, lol


The Mail Man is going to retire.....

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2553190

podstock
07-01-2004, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Well, bad news for my Duke Blue Devils but may be good news for the Lakers. I guess the Lakers and Coach K are in a "serious discussion" about the coaching vacancy.

Also I heard that Fisher wants to play in Houston next year. I wonder who's just going to fill the Laker roster.

ahh, crap!!

I sure hope we don't get Coach K - that's nothing about him that says he can handle a Kobe

Rick Pitino thought he was hot stuff back at Kentucky; the Celtics gave him a RIDICULOUS contract of something like 7 years, $80M, the coaching position, and the GM position, as well as access to the kitchen sink, I suppose.

Pitino stunk up the joint so bad that he finally just quit (oh sure, he just wanted to spend more time with his family - like anyone will farking believe that).

Being both the coach and the GM, Pitino got to draft all the players he wanted, and the teams he coached were an absolute bust.

I hope the Lakers remember this! Rudy Tomjanovich wants to be here -- give him his wish!!

As for Fisher - it's too bad Payton came back for the money, b/c Payton not only has shown he can't score, but also cannot defend.

I'd release Payton (eat the contract) b/c he's a cancer to the team, and keep Fisher.

Kobe's also a cancer to the team, but he's in the prime of his career, and the best clutch player in the NBA. No one is even 2nd or 3rd right now (I suppose you can make a case for Tim Duncan and KG; perhaps even Mike Bibby, if it weren't for the fact the Kings can't get past Kobe and the Lakers to get to the Finals).

podstock
07-01-2004, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Well the news just seems to be getting better, lol


The Mail Man is going to retire.....

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2553190

I hope he recants

Karl is slowing down..but we can't find a better defensive power forward who can score 10-15 points a game.

boy, talk about 180 degree turn, eh?

Karl came here to help the Lakers and win an NBA title for $1M

Now, b/c Jerry Buss isn't stupid enough to pay a fat, out-of-shape, Shaq $150M contract for 5 more years (and that's AFTER 2 years -- 2004-2005, and 2005-2006 -- at 27.7M and $30M), Shaq puts up his mansion for sale, and badmouths the Lakers, saying we are not committed to winning

hahahahahahahahahaha

minew_m
07-01-2004, 06:37 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. He probably wouldn't be able to handle ego's like this. College is nothing compared to the NBA. I know Duke University is trying to have him sign a lifetime contract with them, so I hope it works that way. He is amazing in college b-ball, but the NBA isn't the same game as it is down there.

minew_m
07-01-2004, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Shaq puts up his mansion for sale, and badmouths the Lakers, saying we are not committed to winning

To tell you the truth, I'm not really sure what to think about the Lakers management right now!

podstock
07-01-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
To tell you the truth, I'm not really sure what to think about the Lakers management right now!

I think the Lakers management was stuck in b/t the proverbial "rock and a hard place"

Shaq and Kobe obviously cannot get along

so, they were forced to choose

if you were the owner of the Lakers, who do you choose?

1. a player who is 32, out of shape, doesn't work out in the summer time, uses the season to get into shape, and really only starts to play well in the playoffs and esp. in the Finals (if the team gets that far

2. a player who is 26, heading into his prime, works out religiously in the offseason, and is determined to be the best ever to play in the NBA?

which of the above players would you give a 7 year, $145M contract to?

not on an emotional basis, but on a business-decision.

stalking_WOLF_21
07-01-2004, 07:29 PM
the lakers offered
dukes coach. would sya his name but don't know how to spell it. haha
yeah they wanted him as HEAD COACH!

minew_m
07-01-2004, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by podstock
I think the Lakers management was stuck in b/t the proverbial "rock and a hard place"

Shaq and Kobe obviously cannot get along

so, they were forced to choose

if you were the owner of the Lakers, who do you choose?

1. a player who is 32, out of shape, doesn't work out in the summer time, uses the season to get into shape, and really only starts to play well in the playoffs and esp. in the Finals (if the team gets that far

2. a player who is 26, heading into his prime, works out religiously in the offseason, and is determined to be the best ever to play in the NBA?

which of the above players would you give a 7 year, $145M contract to?

not on an emotional basis, but on a business-decision.


I would give the 32 year old dominant center a contract. How many big men are there like Shaq in the league? I rather have him than Kobe on the team. Kobe wants everything his way. He takes too many shots and definitely will never be the best in the NBA. Hell, even MJ passed every once and a while. Until he learns to play with his teammates, I wouldn't take him. Just look at how much his teammates support him. Once Shaq wanted out, so did Fisher. Malone will also probably retire. Phil was never happy with him and I can see why. Seems like the only one who is sticking with Kobe is Payton and that's only because no other team in their right mind would sign a guard who can't play defense or shoot anymore.

podstock
07-01-2004, 11:16 PM
lolol

best of luck to you in your business endeavors in the real world.

You choose Shaq

I choose Kobe

we shall see what happens 5-10 years from now

minew_m
07-02-2004, 10:19 AM
Yeah will see. Kobe will continue to try to surround himself with "nobodies" so he can have the spotlight. You can't win like that.

podstock
07-15-2004, 03:25 PM
Well,

after all the bullsh*t, Kobe announces he will stay

welllllllll, as Homer Simpson would say:

DOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Shaq is gone
Phil Jackson is gone
Kobe gets a 7-year, $136M contract
Kobe gets his ™™™™™ kissed by the owner, by the GM, and any other Lakers employee

Kobe wants a legacy like that of his idol Jordan

Let's see what happens


I hate the fact that 2 athletes who'll make over $250M in their career can't get along - fark both fo these pieces of sh*t!!!

Unless we get an adequate center, my Lakers are no better than the 7th or 8th place team, barely making the playoffs and out in the 1st round next year.

fark!!

minew_m
07-15-2004, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Well,

after all the bullsh*t, Kobe announces he will stay

welllllllll, as Homer Simpson would say:

DOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Shaq is gone
Phil Jackson is gone
Kobe gets a 7-year, $136M contract
Kobe gets his ™™™™™ kissed by the owner, by the GM, and any other Lakers employee

Kobe wants a legacy like that of his idol Jordan

Let's see what happens


I hate the fact that 2 athletes who'll make over $250M in their career can't get along - fark both fo these pieces of sh*t!!!

Unless we get an adequate center, my Lakers are no better than the 7th or 8th place team, barely making the playoffs and out in the 1st round next year.

fark!!


I think it's one of the first times we actually agree on something, lol. Shaq and Kobe had something special together. They were probably the greatest duo, statistically that is, to play the game in the past few decades. It was almost becomming automatic that the Lakers would make the Finals with these two running the team. Now over a stupid feud on who's team it is, that all has been broken.

I agree with you that the Lakers are no better than a 7th or 8th place team. How can they be? There are no legitimate centers left for them to grab. In the West, Brian Grant won't cut it. The Mavs, Kings, T-wolves, Spurs are all better than them. Along with that, Denver may be better than them if they can land Kenyon. They already were an 8th place team this year. Memphis will also probably be better than them. They have a young group of players that may explode this year.

As for the Heat....they probably improve to third in the East behind the Pistons and Pacers. Shaq could have career numbers in the East because there is no challenge. Hell he may even average 30 points and 15 boards a game. Who's going to challenge on a nightly basis? Magloire or Ilgauskas won't do the job. It looks like they have room for another player or two. Horry or Kukoc are the front runners. I have even heard rumors about Fisher or Malone. They will contend in the East. Who knows how far they will get in the playoffs. The playoffs are where Shaq decides it's time to give it his all. They definitely won't win a title though. The West is still far too dominant.

I think it's safe to say that this move could have ruined both of their careers!

podstock
07-15-2004, 06:46 PM
a few things:

In his best years statistically-speaking, Shaq did the following:

1999-2000: 30.7 points and 15.4 boards
2000-2001: 30.4 points and 15.4 boards

In the East, he definitely could average that - but, we shall see whether or not Shaq comes to play and is motivated. He has gone on the record as saying that he is good enough for 55 wins


Not sure where Malone / Fisher will go. I hope both stay, esp. Karl, b/c we need him when we play Duncan, Webber, and KG

I can't wait for the NBA season to start - Kobe got what he wanted.......

and there's a saying:

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR..................................

minew_m
07-15-2004, 06:50 PM
I think Fisher is as good as gone in LA. I think Houston is first in line over any team. Who would pass up the opportunity to play with Yao (a big man; Lakers don't have a big man) and T-mac. They are legitimate contenders. He might even be able to start. As in LA it will probably be Kobe and Caron Buttler.

There is an interesting situation with Karl. He is great friends with Payton. He may stay in LA. But then I believe Shaq was one of the main factors in recruiting Malone. He obviously has a relationship with both. But hell, he may even retire. It's going to be fun to see how this all unfolds.

podstock
07-15-2004, 07:56 PM
Gary Payton is a hoot

He was ridiculously TORCHED by NBA Finals MVP and former journeyman Chauncey Billups, to the tune of 121 points (Billups) to 25 or so for Payton.

Now, it's one thing for Payton not to score, given that Shaq and Kobe basically take all the shots....but those 121 points were scored mostly on Payton

Now, Payton opts to re-sign the contract to stay with the Lakers?

hahahahahaha....the only reason is he staying is because no other team is stupid enough to pay $5.7M to a washed-up former superstar who's just as egotistical and selfish as Shaq and Kobe (the biggest difference is Shaq and Kobe can still play)

I wish the Lakers would buy out Payton's contract, sign Fisher, and hopefully, Kobe can convince Karl to stay

I hope we get Greg Ostertag; we don't need Vlade - he's slow, can't jump, and is probably only good for 30 minutes. In the playoffs, he'll get torched by Duncan, KG, etc.....

podstock
07-15-2004, 09:05 PM
well, more news is out:

Derek Fisher has just signed a 6-year, $37M contract with the Golden State Warriors

lolol...oh well, I can't blame him for running after the money

I can understand if he went to a team with a chance to go to the playoffs....but to choose Golden State??!?!?!

one reason: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

stalking_WOLF_21
07-15-2004, 11:12 PM
37M
for fisher! man he got a deal or what!
you guys think the laker are going to be good? well hopefully i'll have my two favorite teams in the playoffs.

T-wolves
Suns

podstock
07-15-2004, 11:42 PM
T-wolves should go far in the playoffs, what with Hudson back, Cassell healthy and KG better than ever.

Here's my pick for NBA Champions:

#1 = Spurs
#2 = Wolves
#3 = Kings

minew_m
07-16-2004, 09:24 AM
I always thought Fisher would be better than that. Looks like he's like the rest of the Lakers, money hungry, lol.

podstock
07-16-2004, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
I always thought Fisher would be better than that. Looks like he's like the rest of the Lakers, money hungry, lol.

I'd have to be honest - if I were in Fisher's shoes, I'd do the same thing

Think about this:

Fisher did a great job as a Lakers starter, then Payton and his big-mouth came along and was given the starting job

Then, when Payton wasn't fitting in well with the triangle offense, he still ™™™™™ed and moaned about how he wasn't getting enough playing time, despite the fact that Payton wasn't scoring worth a damn, and Fisher was playing better defense (who'd thunk Fisher played better defense than Payton last year?!?!) and offense.

Now, in the upcoming season, given that Payton is re-signing and probably will again be given the starting job........

if you were Derek Fisher, why would you choose to stay with the Lakers for less money, less years, and less playing time, not to mention, 99.99% chance of not winning the NBA title next year?

that's the perfect storm in forcing anyone to leave

if you're going to be playing for a loser, at least get paid - that somewhat offsets the sting of losing 50+ games a season, and besides, Fisher's already got 3 titles that he was a big part of.

minew_m
07-16-2004, 05:46 PM
I at least expected him to go to a contender. He could have started other places. I know the Heat and Rockets were both interested in him. They are contenders in the respective divisions.

Now how are the Lakers going to look this year? The starting lineup may look like this:

G- Kobe
G- Payton
C- Douthit (tallest guy on the team and he's only 6'10")
F- Odom
F- Grant

They do have decent players, but then they really only have Walton, Buttler, and Rush off the bench. They are going to be terribly undersized in a division that requires it. I wonder how much money they have left though? They need another big man!

podstock
07-16-2004, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
I wonder how much money they have left though? They need another big man!

Lakers are capped out until 2007 (coincidentally, Yao Ming will be available that year)

All the Lakers have are the $5-6M mid-level contract and a $1.8M contract

after that, they are over the cap, and will have to pay $1 for every $1 they are over the cap

Kobe wanted it this way, and we shall see just how good he is

And I will be intrigued to see how the Heat will do - they should have no problems in the playoffs until they run into the Pacers or Pistons late in the playoffs

minew_m
07-16-2004, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Lakers are capped out until 2007 (coincidentally, Yao Ming will be available that year)

All the Lakers have are the $5-6M mid-level contract and a $1.8M contract

after that, they are over the cap, and will have to pay $1 for every $1 they are over the cap

Kobe wanted it this way, and we shall see just how good he is

And I will be intrigued to see how the Heat will do - they should have no problems in the playoffs until they run into the Pacers or Pistons late in the playoffs


Wouldn't that be something, to see Ming in a Lakers uniform! It probably won't happen, but it would be nice to dream about. I just can't see the Rockets letting go of their franchise player.

I think Eddie Jones said it best the other day when he stated it's extremely difficult to win without a big man. He even stated that he took it for granted in LA when he played with Shaq. I think that's why many teams are overpaying for size. When Nesterovic and Okur are getting $50+ million dollar contracts, there's something seriously wrong, lol.

I also agree with your heat statement. Barring any injuries, they won't get past Detroit or Indiana. They are financially in the same situation as LA. They can afford 1 $5-6 million contract. Now that Fisher is out of the picture Kukoc and Malone are back in. There's a chance that none of those will be signed. Their back up looks to be Lindsey Hunter.

podstock
07-16-2004, 09:14 PM
While Yao Ming probably would have to take about $15-25M total for a contract with the Lakers, he can easily make that up in endorsement fees.

I think Shaq also had to take a paycut to get to LA, but not sure what the contract rules were back in 1996

If I am Yao, do I want to stay in Houston, or do I go to LA and establish a legacy, led by the likes of Mikan, Wilt, Kareem, and Shaq?

Houston has Olajuwon

minew_m
07-16-2004, 09:20 PM
I know if I were Yao, I would go to LA. But what we don't know is how he likes it in Houston. I know the fans love him and he has a great coaching staff behind him. Hell, Ewing was brought on just to teach him. He could stay with Houston just to be loyal to the Franchise the brought him into the NBA. But heck, what did staying loyal to a franchise bring to Miller, Malone (unitl last year), and Stockton do for them.

minew_m
07-19-2004, 12:38 PM
Welp, looks like the Lakers may get another Center. This guy is stuck between the Clippers and the Lakers. His name is....
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Vlade Divac, lol. Looks like the Lakers want him to be the guy to replace Shaq. They are offering $5 million per year. I think that is way to much for a player like Divac.

minew_m
07-19-2004, 09:10 PM
It's final. Divac is bringing is 18 minutes a game and 6 points per game average to LA next season for $5 million:

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2587286

podstock
07-20-2004, 06:22 PM
well, that's another big body we have .... we'll need them come playoff time

now, it's time to go get Karl

minew_m
07-20-2004, 06:32 PM
Do you think maybe Karl could have told LA to get another big man like Vlade because he doesn't plan to return? I'm still not sure on the whole Karl think in LA. I do know one thing, LA does need him badly!

podstock
07-20-2004, 08:16 PM
not sure what to think - but I thank Karl for his 1 year tour of duty with the Lakers, if indeed he leaves

he's still effective, and I would like to see him break Kareem's scoring record as a Lakers

minew_m
07-20-2004, 08:19 PM
Same here. A Laker has had that record for quite some time. It would only be fitting for another Laker to break it.

podstock
07-20-2004, 08:39 PM
I just saw the local news here in S. CA, and it showed snippets of the Shaq welcoming party they had over there in Miami

and he talked about how he was gonna be in great shape come the opening of the NBA Season,

and he promised that he would bring an NBA Championship to Miami (perhaps he meant to say that Orlando would win it? lol).

and let's not forget that Shaq says he by himself is good enough for 55 wins......

big talk from a big man.....

all that is left is to walk the walk

minew_m
07-20-2004, 08:55 PM
Looks like he may have help. I just read an article. It stated that Malone's agent said that Miami was on the top of Malones list for places he wants to play. Robert Horry also wants to play in Miami.

stalking_WOLF_21
07-21-2004, 12:40 AM
the lakers are going to be like the bulls but 10 more wins a year! to bad there there great team had to fall.
now about the heat. if shaq stays in shape and does well for the heat, there will be problems with shaq and waDE jsut like shaq and kobe. kobe was young and had play under shaq all the time. wade has his team then the most dominent center in the nba joins wades team and takes over. hopefully wade will be more mature then kobe and deal with it. besides i don't think shaq wants to hear another kobe. and if he does sorry wade.

minew_m
07-21-2004, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
the lakers are going to be like the bulls but 10 more wins a year! to bad there there great team had to fall.
now about the heat. if shaq stays in shape and does well for the heat, there will be problems with shaq and waDE jsut like shaq and kobe. kobe was young and had play under shaq all the time. wade has his team then the most dominent center in the nba joins wades team and takes over. hopefully wade will be more mature then kobe and deal with it. besides i don't think shaq wants to hear another kobe. and if he does sorry wade.


The thing is in Miami, Shaq is dealing with two very unselfish players. Eddie Jones and Wade have no problem dishing the ball to Shaq. If they run the offense though Shaq, the should have no problem winning. In the East they are definitely going to have to double team Shaq in order to slow him down. There is no one in the East that can stop him one on one (or in the West as a matter of fact). That will leave Wade and Jones open for many jumpers. All the team really need is a rebounder or two. They will be dominant in the East until they run into the Pistons. If they get a soild rebounder and defender or two (Malone and Horry) the many very well compete.

stalking_WOLF_21
07-21-2004, 01:08 PM
udonis halem and samaki walker are not bad at both defense and rebounding.

minew_m
07-21-2004, 01:21 PM
Haslem is still young though. Walker may help. I remember with the Lakers he really didn't do all that much. But in the East it's different. If they want to ever compete for a title, they will need some more size and veteran leadership.

stalking_WOLF_21
07-21-2004, 02:54 PM
yeah horry is one of the best at that

minew_m
07-21-2004, 02:56 PM
Yeah, Horry was impressive just this year in the playoffs. He may have lost a lot on his shot, but he can contribute in other ways like offensive rebounding and blocking shots. He is also a great defender.

podstock
07-23-2004, 09:18 PM
wooohoooooo!!

news just in:

Kobe's defense team won a victory, as the Judge in the case is allowing the defense to present evidence, and ask questions regarding the woman's sexual history 72 hours before and after the alleged rape

and he will also allow the defense to question the alleged sexual partners of the woman

wow, having over $150M in your bank account sure buys justice, eh?

lolol

so, it's Kobe back on the NBA court this coming fall, scoring 35+ points, and losing games left and right

no one remembers you if you're going to be losing

podstock
07-30-2004, 07:33 PM
news flash: <br />
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The Lakers 2nd round pick, a power forward/center - Douthit - is now charged in an insurance scam involving car accidents and filing false claims. <br />
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He received $6500, which he...

minew_m
07-30-2004, 08:27 PM
Dang, yet another hard blow for the Lakers.

podstock
08-02-2004, 10:24 PM
Well, well, well....

doesn't the NBA front office have a sense of humor.

Kobe and the Lakers will meet Shaq and his Heat team for the first time on
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CHRISTMAS DAY

Merrrrrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Christmas!!!


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by the way, one of the things that Shaq did as a Laker that was GREAT: He and his buddies would rent a huge delivery truck around Christmas time, then drive over to Southcentral LA and the ghetto area, and start tossing out presents everywhere.

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Let's see if Kobe does something like that.

lololololo...he's probably gonna have to spend another $4M for another ring to keep his wife from leaving him

lol

minew_m
08-03-2004, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by podstock


lololololo...he's probably gonna have to spend another $4M for another ring to keep his wife from leaving him

lol


LOL!


Anyway, did you hear any news about Jason Kidd? I guess if he were to be traded (like he wants, but isn't demanding yet) the Lakers, San Antonio, and another team I forget are in the front to where he would want to go. Isn't it something now that the players can chose the teams they want to be traded to lol! That would be a good pickup for the Lakers if the rumor is true. But hey, it comes from Stephen A. Smith so I'm not sure what to believe of it.

stalking_WOLF_21
08-03-2004, 11:58 AM
haha your right about stephen A. the mavs are the ream that are first in line to get him. for one they have to many shooting guards.

stackhouse
danials
finley
howard

i mean those are soem good guys. prime candatates to be traded

minew_m
08-03-2004, 12:15 PM
Yup, that's who the other team was. Dallas could get Kidd back and they are the ones who have the most to trade for him. I wonder if he is going to demand a trade or stay with the Nets and lose 60 games.

podstock
08-03-2004, 12:51 PM
As a Lakers fan, I would not want Kidd and his ridiculous contract. Hell, I wouldn't want Kidd even if he were making $5M (I think he's making $15-20M a year)

first, Kidd is a HORRIBLE shooter. You watch the playoffs and the NBA Finals, and you can see just how pathetic he has been over the years.

Kidd is an over-rated point guard.

Yes, he's great at running the fast break.
Yes, he's a great rebounder (which means he can start fast breaks easier, since he gets the ball and can head down the court)
Yes, he's a tremendous passer with great court vision

BUT THE GUY CANNOT SHOOT WORTH CRAP!

How can you be considered one of the greatest point guard, and all you can do is rebound and pass??

Jason Kidd is so over-rated, it's not even funny.

minew_m
08-03-2004, 01:06 PM
He's just an average shooter. He isn't that terrible. He still shoots around 40% career wise. For three pointers he is almost identical to what Kobe shoots career wise also. He would be great for the Lakers. He can get a triple douple on you on any given night. Plus, would you rather see Kidd or Payton? Kidd matches up with Payton like this: Kidd will get you about a point more per game, 4 more assists per game, 2 more rebounds per game, 12% better foul shooting percentage, and last of all, better defense (considering how Payton was last year).

Kidd does choke in the big games. In the playoffs he does shoot about as good as you or I, lol. But the Lakers probably won't be in many big games this year so there's nothing to worry about there.

stalking_WOLF_21
08-03-2004, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by podstock


Kidd is an over-rated point guard.


you are to right podstock. sure he can dish it but he can't do much more than that . my personal favorite pg is andre miller. he plays great he ALWAYS thinks of passing the ball before shooting he is in my mind one of the best pg in the league right now

podstock
08-03-2004, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
He's just an average shooter. He isn't that terrible. He still shoots around 40% career wise. For three pointers he is almost identical to what Kobe shoots career wise also. He would be great for the Lakers. He can get a triple douple on you on any given night. Plus, would you rather see Kidd or Payton? Kidd matches up with Payton like this: Kidd will get you about a point more per game, 4 more assists per game, 2 more rebounds per game, 12% better foul shooting percentage, and last of all, better defense (considering how Payton was last year).



the difference b/t Kidd and Kobe is that Kobe makes the clutch shots when it counts.

Yes, Kobe has a HORRIBLE NBA Finals vs. Detroit.....

but the road to this year's finals, and the other 3 titles they won, Kobe was absolutely clutch.

I forget exactly how much money Kidd makes a year (I know he makes b/t $90-100M contract), but he's not worth half of that

podstock
08-03-2004, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by stalking_WOLF_21
you are to right podstock. sure he can dish it but he can't do much more than that . my personal favorite pg is andre miller. he plays great he ALWAYS thinks of passing the ball before shooting he is in my mind one of the best pg in the league right now


Miller is a pretty good player - I never understood why he hasn't made more of an impact

minew_m
08-03-2004, 04:08 PM
Kidd still did get his teams to the NBA finals.

stalking_WOLF_21
08-03-2004, 04:18 PM
yeah miller was best when he played for the cavs the clippers screwed him up

podstock
08-04-2004, 11:48 AM
lol..playing for the Clippers have messed up a lot of players' career

Danny Manning, etc....

minew_m
08-04-2004, 12:45 PM
I think there's proof of that with Lamar Odom. Look what happened once he left the Clippers. His career suddenly started to shine. The organization as a whole is jinxed, lol.

podstock
08-04-2004, 07:02 PM
lots of people are praising Lamar

I didn't watch him too much (don't watch Clippers games).... so I'll have to wait for the NBA season to start to see if he's any good.

My guess is that he's an over-rated, but athletic, NBA player .... something that you can say about 80% of most players.

minew_m
08-04-2004, 09:04 PM
He is a bit over-rated, but he will help out the Lakers.


BTW, the Lakers resigned Slava. Looks like they have another big man, lol.

podstock
08-05-2004, 12:59 PM
I am glad they re-signed Slava.... I hope he improves on his defense.

He's a big guy, but he's a softie and mostly hangs out on the perimeter, rarely posting up or going hard to the basket for a jam.

Lakers now have 12 guaranteed contracts for next year...but without a commitment from Malone

With Horry just signing again with the Spurs, it looks like Malone will choose b/t Lakers and Heat.

My Guess: LAKERS!

After all, if you are going to break the scoring record, who do you want to do it for: the tradition-rich Lakers? or an expansion team Heat, with the knowledge that if contraction occurs in the future, the Heat will be amongst the candidates?

minew_m
08-05-2004, 01:26 PM
He may chose the Heat. He will have an easier time scoring in the East!

podstock
08-06-2004, 03:55 PM
woooohooooooooo!! This just made my weekend (and the month of August)

Lakers trade the cancer Gary Payton, a slow and aging Rick Fox, a lottery protected 1st round draft pick next year (what the hell does this mean?), and some cash to Boston

In return, the Lakers get
7-foot Chris Mihm (wooohooo! a big body, of average to perhaps above average talent),
journeyman Chucky Atkins (average player .. but then again, NBA MVP Chauncey Billups was in this mode before the NBA Finals, lol),
2nd-year Marcus Banks (no clue on this guy; but sports radio ESPN is saying the guy is a good-looking rookie)
future 2nd round draft pick

WOWOWOW- -- WOOOOHOOOOOOOO. I can't believe the Celtics made this move (perhaps it was money-related??)

First, we got rid of Gary Payton, who says he wants to win the title, but whined all last year when he started to lose playing time to Derek Fisher...and the ultimate humiliation - Payton got PLAYED by NBA Finals MVP Chauncey Billups in the NBA Finals, to the tune of 132 points by Billups to 25-35 points by Payton.

hahahahahahah....good riddance to Gary "me me me me me me me me me" Payton

Second, while Rick Fox served us VERY well during his years here, and was the ultimate teammate, often sacrificing shooting in favor of defense.... he is aging, slow, and his skills are on the decline. We appreciate and remember him for absolutely shutting down Peja during 2000, 2001, 2002 NBA playoffs. I do not believe I've seen anyone totally stop another player one-on-one the way that Fox did to Peja. It was an incredible display of defense.

Of course, it helped that Peja doesn't drive to the basket, lol.

Third, We got a big body. Mihm was a high 1st round draft pick, but never panned out in Boston...but again, we got a big body, and gave up trash in Payton.

Not sure about Marcus Banks; Chucky Atkins is ok, I suppose.

minew_m
08-06-2004, 08:44 PM
I think the key in this deal will be Marcus Banks. Mihm already played in the West and struggled. With the Celtics, he did do decent but toward the end of the season was getting less and less minutes. He was okay in the East because there was no height to contend with. Atkins probably won't do much, but will be a great 7th or 8th man off the bench. But Banks was developing well as the season went along. He probably will be able to continue that with the Lakers.

podstock
08-06-2004, 11:48 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
But Banks was developing well as the season went along. He probably will be able to continue that with the Lakers.

The thing that makes you wary is that Banks was a high 1st round pick by Boston just 1 year ago....

and for a team to just give up on someone in 1 year (heck, Kobe had a sub-par rookie year, as did Jermaine O'Neal, and even Kevin Garnett was a tad bit above average; only Lebron and Carmelo have shined) ... perhaps the Celtics know something the Lakers don't when they gave up on Banks


but overall, I am as happy as if I were invited to the Playboy Mansion!!!

minew_m
08-07-2004, 10:35 AM
The Celtics really don't know anything when it comes to developing players. A prime example is Joe Johnson. They gave up on him in one year and look how he is doing with the Suns.

podstock
08-07-2004, 12:24 PM
lolol...as a Celtics hater, I would agree.... <br />
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but they do have 16 NBA titles, so you've got to give them the benefit of the doubt. <br />
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but the caveat is: Celtics have new corporate owners; I don't...

podstock
08-07-2004, 06:25 PM
well, now that I've had some time to read the newspapers today...

I found out what the "conditional 1st round pick" the Lakers are giving to the Celtics mean:

if the Lakers do badly and get into the lottery (top 10 worst teams), the Lakers keep that pick, and instead will give the 2nd round pick to the Celtics....

but if the Lakers make the playoffs, then the Celtics get the 1st round pick

I say the Lakers, with all they've done (and barring Kobe getting injured) will be #5-#8 in the rankings.

If Karl comes back and is healthy through the majority of the season (plays 60+ games), the Lakers could get that #4 seed

LakersMC
08-08-2004, 08:08 PM
I just joined SCF this week. (Some of you replied to my Meet & Greet actually.) Glad to see some more Laker diehards out there.

I'm still hoping the Lakers are prep'ing for a Jason Kidd trade. If you look at their roster, there are over 12 guys already (not incl. Malone). I was thinking/hoping that NJ was the team that actually wanted Marcus Banks, but didn't want to deal Kidd to an Eastern Div team. This could be wishful thinking.

Bottom line is I don't think the Lakers are done dealing. Do you?

podstock
08-09-2004, 05:23 PM
Hi Andy - welcome to the club!!!!

Like you, I do not believe the Lakers are done.

They have 15 guys signed for next year (not including Karl Malone).

So, if I were the Lakers, here's my trade bait

Devean George - $5M
Slava - about $3-6M
Marcus Banks - $2M or so
Kareem Rush - $2M or so
Brian Cook (not sure, but he was a rookie last year)
Luke Walton (same as Cook)

The other players, who likely won't be traded:
Kobe - starting guard
Chucky Atkins - starting point guard
Divac - starting center
Mihm- backup center

I am missing 2 players (not including Karl Malone) .... mind going blank......

I think that Atkins may be trade bait if it involves a trade for Jason Kidd.

But, if I were the Lakers, I want to clear cap room for 2007, to go after Yao Ming. We don't need Jason Kidd's $15-20M, as that will hamper us dramatically

podstock
08-11-2004, 01:24 PM
wowow..so the greedy lawyers that the girl "hired" to represent her in the rape case are now filing a civil lawsuit

lololol....

from the very beginning, once the word came out that this girl has sex with multiple guys on multiple occasions (and remember, she's 18-19) .... was a fan of Kobe, came to Kobe's room via a backdoor (lolol) ... then claimed Kobe raped her

you knew she was after money (and if Kobe got jail time, that was icing on the cake)

lololol...

Kobe looks like he'll be paying some money to shut this ™™™™™™ up.... but then, once this happen, you'll get females from all the cities that have NBA teams (Portland, Orlando, and some 30 others) all coming out of their closest claiming Kobe groped them

hahahahahahahaha......

Kobe is such a moron - if you're going to f*ck a female - have them sign a piece of paper, have them videotaped saying they are going to have sex with you......

why throw away multi-millions?

Kobe lost over $150M in endorsement fees

but I suppose if you make $142M for the next 7 years, then that $150M loss won't matter, lololol

what a joke that female is --- Kobe ought to sue the hell out of her for defamation of character!

stalking_WOLF_21
08-11-2004, 06:43 PM
haha podstock that was funny

minew_m
08-14-2004, 10:11 AM
Isn't Gary Payton a class act? He refused to go for his physical on time so now the Lakers lose their second round pick and Marcus Banks. In return they will get Jurmaine Jones. What a move by Gary.

LakersMC
08-14-2004, 02:30 PM
I thought the original trade was pretty weak for the Lakers. Now it is pretty pathetic. Please tell me Kupchak has a plan/clue.

podstock
08-14-2004, 02:53 PM
Kupchak was a joke as a basketball power forward / center

He's a joke now as a general manager.

besides...the trade the irrelevant.

It's Kobe team, and he will decide whether he is remembered for his greatness or for being 50% responsible for breaking up the team.

Of course, Minew would say that Kobe is 99.9% responsible, and Shaq wasn't responsible all that much.

I admit Kobe's faults and inadequacies

Minew just applauds Shaq, and refuses to even talk about any weakness that Shaq has.

when you talk about a subject, and you don't see both sides of the story (strengths and weaknesses), then your arugments are just manure

minew_m
08-14-2004, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by podstock
Of course, Minew would say that Kobe is 99.9% responsible, and Shaq wasn't responsible all that much.

I admit Kobe's faults and inadequacies

Minew just applauds Shaq, and refuses to even talk about any weakness that Shaq has.

when you talk about a subject, and you don't see both sides of the story (strengths and weaknesses), then your arugments are just manure

Where the hell did this response come from? When's the last time we debated over this topic? Just because your mad at the Lakers you dont have to bring up old arguments. Or is this just a way to hide your problems.

podstock
08-14-2004, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
Where the hell did this response come from? When's the last time we debated over this topic? Just because your mad at the Lakers you dont have to bring up old arguments. Or is this just a way to hide your problems.


lolol

I am not talking about any ONE topic...

I am talking about ALL our debates

In every debate, I admit Kobe's good and bad side

You just highlight Kobe's bad side and Shaq's good side.

I am not talking about any ONE topic..but overalll

lolol...I am not mad at my Lakers - I have no financial interest in them

if they lose, I am not richer or poorer
if they win, I am not richer or porrer

I just like to debate

podstock
10-13-2004, 01:27 AM
10/12/04 update: Seattle beats the Lakers in game 1 of the pre-season.

If this is what the new-look Lakers are going to be like, then I hereby request the NBA season be stopped right here and now.

1. Kobe will get his 30-40 points a game, given that he's going to be shooting every other possession. Jorday used to to do back in the 1980s, when he scored, and no one else did. Bulls lost many times and exited early in the playoffs.
I expect the Lakers to do the same.

2. If this is Showtime, it's a complete bust.
Showtime had HOF Kareem rebounding, HOF Magic pushing the ball up court with Byron Scott at one wing and HOF James Worthy on the other wing.

This Lakers team (and yes, it's just 1 game) has cast-off Chucky Atkins pushing the ball, god-knows-who rebounding it, Odom on one wing, and Kobe on the other wing ---- very very pitiful

3. Lakers have no inside post presence. They basically shot from the perimeter. In the 1st half, Lakers (esp. Kobe) couldn't miss from the field, and the Lakers had a 10-point lead.

In the 2nd half, Lakers missed from anywhere and everywhere, including Kobe. Lakers had no defense, and of course, the Sonics had a 20-point turn-around to take a 10-point lead and win the game.

To get to the playoffs in the West, you'll need 42-44 wins, and the Lakers will be lucky to break even.

oh boy...this SUCKS!!!

The Lakers of 2004-2005 will be like the Chicago BUlls of 1986-1990, where Jordan got them to the playoffs, Jordan ran up 60+ points in the playoffs, and the Celtics advanced while the Bulls went home after the 1st round.

No inside offense. No good rebounders. Terrible shooting (outside of Kobe).

the Lakers will win here and there, but Spurs and Timberwolves will absolutely kill the Lakers

SIGH!

It's game 1 of pre-season, and already, things are looking very very bleak ---- pathetic offense, and even worse defense.

Let's do what the NHL is doing, and have a lock-out.

Jordan couldn't win it all by himself.

And Kobe won't either

LakersMC
10-13-2004, 02:13 PM
"Kobe scores 35. Lakers lose." Get used to the sound of that.

I wonder when the little brat will realize winning (with Shaq) is better than losing (and winning the scoring title). Of course, he will never admit to it.

Oh well, the 3-peat sure was fun.

minew_m
10-13-2004, 03:26 PM
The Lakers still have a decent team. The will probably go to the playoffs, but will not contend for a title. If Malone comes back, that will sure up there defense. Caron Buttler and Lamar Odom are capable of scoring. Hopefully we'll see a lot more of Kareem Rush. He definitely has a shooting touch (scored 30 pts last year when he took Kobes place for a game). What they will really miss this year is just not Shaqs scoring, but Shaq presence. Even though you may hate the guy, you gotta admit that he opened up their offense. When people double or sometimes triple teamed him, that left another player on the floor open almost all the time. We saw that in the Playoffs. Malone was that open man but he couldn't hit a jumper because of his knee. We saw that in the regular season. Payton was the open man then, but he is a horrible shooter. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

podstock
10-15-2004, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by LakersMC
I wonder when the little brat will realize winning (with Shaq) is better than losing (and winning the scoring title). Of course, he will never admit to it.

Oh well, the 3-peat sure was fun.

after everything I heard and saw about Kobe last year, I definitely agree that Kobe is a brat.

But, Shaq AND Kobe, each in their special way, contributed to the demise of the Lakers.

You look at Shaq, and this year, he's absolutely in tip top shape.
Why the hell wasn't he like this during the 2000-2003 seasons?

As for Kobe, we Lakers fans will hold him in the highest of contempt if the Lakers do not win a title within the next 7 years (the duration of his contract).

Kobe wants his own team - well, he's now gotten it.

the Lakers, today, would be as good with the players they have, or if you select 11 of us SCF members here, to play with Kobe

And yes, that 3-peat sure was wonderful, and well-worth putting up with these two babies.

There's ONE thing about Kobe that I admire greatly - his all-out pursuit to be the greatest of all time.

If Shaq had 1/2 the determination, passion, and work ethic of Kobe, Shaq would be the greatest center of all-time.

But, how can anyone say that Shaq was better than Wilt?
Wilt could shoot outside. Shaq can't
Wilt could dunk and lay-up. Shaq can also
Wilt plays TREMENDOUS defense. Shaq does this only in pre-season.

all in all, this is one SAD season for the Lakers

podstock
10-15-2004, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by minew_m
The Lakers still have a decent team. ............ I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

well, I saw the Lakers-Seattle game (the one where Kobe played 41 minutes, and Ray Allen did the same as well....so it wasn't really exhibition),

and if this is what the Lakers are -- they'll be lucky to break even at 41-41. In the East, that gets you into the playoffs. In the West, that's a 10th place finish.

1. Lakers have no inside post-presence. Dallas proved for the last 4-5 years that outside shooting gets you a quick exit from the playoffs. Dirk Nowitzki, outside of a few good games, basically stunk up the joint. Nash sucked big time, throwing up brick after brick. You will NEVER win in the playoffs without someone who can score on the inside.

2. Lakers have no fierce rebounders. I watched Mihm for the first time, and he is just your average big man. If he wasn't 7-foot tall, he'd be in the NBDL right now --- he's got very little skils.
Hell, if I were his size, I'd be in the NBA too.

3. Lakers have no outside shooting, short of Kobe. And even the legendary Jordan only made 52.5% at his best season. Kobe won't come close to that, simply b/c of the low % shots he takes at the close of quarters

Everyone talks about Lamar Odom --- well, I am not convinced. One good year doesn't get you to the Hall-of-Fame. All that does is get you a big fat contract so you can buy a 3-day pass to the Hall-of-Fame for a visit. The guy is an unreliable outside shooter; he's too thin to guard a Tim Duncan and too weak/slow to guard a Kevin Garnett

I am not at all impress with Odom - why are all the announcers making a big deal out of this guy?!?!??!

4. Lakers have a TERRIBLE point guard. Who the hell is Chucky Atkins? He can't shoot. He's 5'11", so he's not going to guard Mike Bibby, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, etc etc.

We don't need to wait and see.....I watched that entire 1 game of the pre-season (and why the hell were Ray Allen and Kobe playing 40+ minutes??? we all know what they can do; how about letting the players on the bubble play and see whether they should be in the NBA or the NBDL??) .... and already, I can tell you we are going to get SMOKED by Spurs and Timberwolves.

Unless we get Yao Ming in 2007, it's gonna be one looooooooooooooooooooooong
7-year itch.

what a sad state of affairs that Shaq and Kobe created.

Kobe wanted his own team?

He now will see why Jordan never won a damn thing in the 1986-1990 era, when he was scoring 60+ points vs. Boston, and it was the Celtics who kept going to the NBA Finals

In sports, if all you have to do is stop one guy to win a game, that's the EASIEST thing to do.

People in Chicago used to call Jordan a ball-hog during the 1986-1990 seasons

Now, that's what we Lakers fans will be calling Kobe, b/c he's gonna be shooting every other trip.

I know one thing for sure: Kobe will win the scoring title this year.

Much like Tracy McGrady won it last year, when his Magic won something like 13 games or so

minew_m
10-15-2004, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by podstock
well, I saw the Lakers-Seattle game (the one where Kobe played 41 minutes, and Ray Allen did the same as well....so it wasn't really exhibition),



Speaking Allen, did you hear his latest interview? He was ripping Kobe calling him selfish and he was the reason the Lakers didn't win the title last year. He said this based on the Phil Jackon diary. It's one thing for the coach to say it, but if your a player on an opposing team and are not in the situation itself, you should stay out of it. I am not the biggest fan of Kobe by far, but players in the league should be ripping him especially since they only heard one side of the story. Even so it's none of their business and they should stay out of it!

podstock
10-23-2004, 02:36 PM
a few updates - but not much to say b/c I was busy at work, and unable to catch the Lakers games, which were on cable.

Lakers lost a close one to Golden State in OT by 2 points, with Kobe missing a last-second 3-pointer.

then, yesterday, the Lakers beat the Clippers by about 17-20 points.

the one thing that has me puzzled slightly is why Kobe is playing 35+ minutes (including the entire 2nd half and all of OT vs the Warriors)

I realize that the coach is new, the system is new, and you need on-court chemistry

but, man, Kobe averaging about 41 minutes a game in these 3 pre-season games? Are you kidding? If Kobe gets injured, Lakers will be mired in last place.

fortunately, Coach Tomjanovich only let Kobe play 26 minutes last night, enough for him to jack up 25 shots for 25 points.

Kobe's shooting way too much, and with a bad shooting percentage.

Lakers may have what it takes to get to the playoffs....but in the playoffs, if the Celtics and Pistons could slow down Jordan a tad bit --- there won't be any problems slowing down Kobe

minew_m
10-23-2004, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by podstock
but, man, Kobe averaging about 41 minutes a game in these 3 pre-season games? Are you kidding? If Kobe gets injured, Lakers will be mired in last place.

fortunately, Coach Tomjanovich only let Kobe play 26 minutes last night, enough for him to jack up 25 shots for 25 points.

Kobe's shooting way too much, and with a bad shooting percentage.




Dang, 25 shots! Those are Iverson numbers, lol. I checked out the Heat game last night and they sure do look impressive. Shaq is continuing to lose weight. He's down about 30 pounds right now from what he was last year. Shaq has great chemistry with Wesley Person, Eddie Jones, Rasul Buttler, and Udonis Haslem. The only problem is he and D-wade don't seem to be on the same page just yet. What I find more amazing is Shaq is playing more of a team game this year. He's getting everyone involved.

Last night he was trying to get the ball to Wang Zhizi and Christian Laettner. He was doing it with success. Wang for once looked comfortable in an offense. Just four years back when he came into the NBA he was suppose to be a star, but he never really fit into the game.

Eddie Jones and Wesley person are struggling with their shot. Once they get their shot going like it was last year, the Heat are going to be a scary team in the east. They already have Damon Jones, Keyon Dooling, and Rasul Buttler who are hitting basically every shot. Shaq seems to find Damon Jones when he's wide open for a three all the time and the result is Damon Jones is shooting close to 70% from the three point line.

I also mentioned Haslem. He may emerge as a star this year. He's playing off of Shaq and doing a great job. He knows his role and he's sticking to it. He's only playing 20 minutes (like everyone else) and getting 6 or 7 boards and ten points in that span.

This is a very well built team. They have a lot of role players who know what to do and are doing good at every aspect of the game. I haven't really caught any Laker games so I'm not sure how Odom, Grant, and Buttler are fitting in. Right now it looks as if the Heat got a great deal with the Shaq trade. Right now they are 4-1 and creaming some of their opponents.

LakersMC
10-23-2004, 05:20 PM
I went to the Laker game yesterday vs. the Clippers. Even though they won, that special excitement was there. Where's Shaq, Fish, Fox, Horry? Even GP or Karl? Sigh...

I did see Cook, Rush, Sasha Vujacic, and some other scrubs in the hallway signing a lot of autographs. I didn't have any cards with me, so I just watched for a minute or two.

podstock
10-24-2004, 12:23 AM
I haven't seen much of Sasha, but from what I briefly saw (esp. in the Seattle game), he looks like he could start in 2-3 years --- we will see how this kid develops

podstock
10-26-2004, 01:35 AM
pre-season update: 10/25/04: 117-91 Lakers

Lakers now guaranteed a winning pre-season (5-2 right now, with 1 more to play) since 1998.

Pre-season doesn't mean jack.... however, given the massive facelift the Lakers have, this pre-season was VERY important, and I hope they have developed some chemistry going into the Nov. 3rd opener.

Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis - 2 of Seattle best players - didn't play.

I didn't see the game, but did listen to it on the radio in the 4th quarter once I got off of work.

Boy, Tierre Brown, the 6'2" point guard, is making a case for himself to stick on the Lakers roster. I would say that he's made the team.

Nice shooting touch. Great passing. Fairly ok defense. But, of course, it's only pre-season.

However, Brown is 6'2" and Chucky Atkins - the Lakers starting PG - is only 5'11"

we need someone like Brown to deal with Mike Bibby, Steve Nash, and the other PGs in the league.

Sasha - the Lakers 1st round draft pick is playing AWESOME - and led the Lakers today with 8 assists. Nice passing, nice shooting touch. We will see how he performs once the season starts.

On a slightly different note, I totally forgot that there is now a re-balancing of the divisions, as follows:

http://www.sportsline.com/nba/standings

I am not sure how this helps the Lakers overall in the hunt for the NBA title (now, before y'all start rolling on the floor laughing, remember that no one predicted Detroit to win it all).

Also, Only the top 8 teams make it to the playoffs.

But, now, the Lakers only have to deal with Sacramento for the Pacific Division title. I don't think the Suns are that good, nor are the Clippers and Warriors.

Gotta think the Lakers or the Kings will win the Pacific Division

The Northwest division appears to be really tough, with 4 of the 5 teams conceivably able to make it to the playoffs (MN, Denver, Utah, Seattle, and Portland)

podstock
10-29-2004, 12:31 AM
Lakers played their final pre-season game, beating Washington Wizards easily at Oklahoma (why the heck was this game played there?!)

It was a relatively easy gaem, with the Lakers leading practically 95% of the way.

This game represented the Lakers toughest challenge, since the Wizards have 7'2" Branden as a center.....
but, even after having watch 3 of the 6 Lakers games on TV, i still don't know how good/bad they will be.

I would guess that PG Tierre Brown will make the team (he played a large majority of the minutes tonight) and Tony Bobbitt was on the bench.

I think that it won't be long before 6'2" Brown starts in place of 5'11" Chucky Atkins, who had a HORRIBLE pre-season, and was shooting something like 25%

I prefer Brown..... but we shall see.

I hope Karl comes back sometime in December. But Brian Grant looks fairly nimble for someone with aching knees.

the regular season starts with a home game vs the Nuggets on Tuesday

Then, the Lakers fly to Utah to play back-to-back on Wed

the 3rd game will be an early indicator of how good/bad the Lakers will be -- vs. San Antonio Spurs

LakersMC
11-22-2004, 03:39 PM
I went to the game last night. Again, I thought it was BORING without the Big Diesel and the old gang. A couple of notes of interest.

- Lots of increased security because of the Pistons-Pacers thing. Lots.
- When the scoreboard was showing Miami Heat highlights, the crowd booed Shaq. How quickly they forget.
- Stumbled across the VIP parking entrance. Saw Jamaal Wilkes there & his son (top high school recruit).

As for the game itself:
- I don't think the Lakers fed the post more than 2 or 3 times. I hope this changes when Vlade comes back.
- Kirk Hinrich (Bulls) was on fire. I think he was possessed by the ghost of John Paxson & Steve Kerr.