LA Kings Fans - Let's play GM

Ok, now that the season is officially over it's time to start thinking about next year. There are many decisions that this team needs to make over the next few months with the draft and pending RFA's and UFA's as well as potentially re-signing players with contracts coming up soon.

So, I thought we could start off with our own RFA's. Here's the list of who is an RFA and what they made last year...

Richardson - $587,500
Elkins - $803,100
Parse - $550,000
Lewis - $855,000
Cliche - $850,000
Clune - $625,000
Bagnall - $605,000
Gauthier - $525,000

My take is as follows...

Definitely sign Richardson. He's worth $1M-$1.5M/year.
I'd be ok with re-signing Parse and Clune to one-year deals with slight raises.
I'd be ok with re-signing Elkins, Cliche and Lewis for the same amount but wouldn't give either raises.
I'd let Gauthier walk.

I don't know enough about Bagnall to have an opinion - I should look him up.

Okay here we go.

Richardson - I love the dude but he really is expandable. I want him to stay and I really think he will but no tears shed if he's gone
Elkins - sign and send to Manch
Parse - bye bye. You were one of the most inconsistent players. We don't need you
Lewis - BUST! bye bye mr. worthless
Chiche - don't care
Clune - keep and keep on roster and previously stated, swap him and Westy in on 4th line LW duty depending on the other teams roster
Bagnall - bye
Gauthier - bye

Summer wish list:
All real kings fans drive to Jones place in LA and personally remove him from our state. Or send him to the Ducks.
Get rid of OD. Totally worthless
Sign a REAL defenseman to play with JMFJ. Seriously I'd rather have Volchenkov than Kovalchuk. Dude is a BEAST and would probably mean more to the team than Kovie.
Trade Quick and sign a veteran to back up Bernier.
Trade the 1st round pick up to draft EL NINOOOOOO aka Nino Niederreiter

Do all that and I will NEVER mutter anything negative towards Deano again

I would agree with you to a point as a Sens fan they will sign Volchenkov no questions asked

Richardson - $587,500 - Keep - This is an easy decision - Best 3rd liner/PK you can have
Elkins - $803,100 - Sign and 1 more year in Manchester
Parse - $550,000 - I agree - Inconsistant but not a bad 4th line option
Lewis - $855,000 - Sign and keep in Manchester
Cliche - $850,000 - Sign - Deano like this kid so he will probably sign
Clune - $625,000 - Not impressed - if signed - keep him in Manchester
Bagnall - $605,000 - Not impressed - if signed - keep in Manchester
Gauthier - $525,000 - Later Alligator

OK - now I am really PO'd - just saw Jones made 3 mil this season - ���!!! (even if Philly is paying 1/2)

Dustin Brown L $2,450,000 - Under Contract until 2014
Richard Clune L $562,500 - Not impressed - if signed - keep him in Manchester
Drew Doughty D $875,000 - Under Contract until 2011
Davis Drewiske D $537,500 - Under Contract until 2013
Erik Ersberg G $750,000 - Under Contract until 2011
Alexander Frolov L $4,000,000 - UFA - would sign him if cheap - good for 60 pts/yr
Matt Greene D $2,750,000 - Under Contract until 2014
Jeff Halpern C $2,000,000 - UFA - BUH BYE!!!! SEE YA AND WOULDNT WANNA BE YA
Michal Handzus C $4,000,000 - Under Contract until 2011
Peter Harrold D $550,000 - Under Contract until 2011
Raitis Ivanans L $600,000 - UFA - BUH BYE!!!! SEE YA AND WOULDNT WANNA BE YA - Say Hello to Kevin Westgarth!!!
Jack Johnson D $1,200,000 - Under Contract until 2011
Randy Jones D $3,000,000 - UFA - BUH BYE!!!! SEE YA AND WOULDNT WANNA BE YA <---HUGE Reason why Kings Lost to the Nucks
Anze Kopitar C $6,000,000 - Under Contract until 2014
Fredrik Modin L $3,500,000 - UFA - I would definitely try and sign him...maybe 2 years
Sean O'Donnell D $1,250,000 - UFA - BUH BYE!!!! SEE YA AND WOULDNT WANNA BE YA
Scott Parse R $550,000 - I agree - Inconsistant but not a bad 4th line option
Jonathan Quick G $570,000 - Under Contract until 2013
Brad Richardson C $600,000 - RFA - SIGN! - Perfect 3rd liner/PK
Robert Scuderi D $3,400,000 - Under Contract until 2013
Wayne Simmonds R $585,000 - Under Contract until 2011
Ryan Smyth L $6,500,000 - Under Contract until 2012
Jarret Stoll C $3,500,000 - Under Contract until 2012
Justin Williams R $3,500,000 - Under Contract until 2011

If i am GM, I would work out something for Draft day - Kings fans want a bona fide scorer....no question....no better way than to make some magic happen on Draft day in Los Angeles. Kings are probably looking at around 20th pick in the first round......
Will have to see what option they have when the playoffs are over.....before I can say who to go for

oh chris....cmon man

www.nhlnumbers.com

I know i've thrown that site out here a million times. It's great!

I also expect Ersberg to be traded at the draft for a pick and if he isn't, he will be traded during training camp or just after it once Bernier for sure makes the team

I'd be happy to see Quick end up in Copper & Blue. Take Nikki for your Vetern Backup. :cheer2:

Seriously. I'd encourage Edmonton to find another asset to add to the deal. How 'bout all three of our goalies?

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Originally Posted by cnshockey

Trade Quick and sign a veteran to back up Bernier.

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Originally Posted by 30ranfordfan

I'd be happy to see Quick end up in Copper & Blue. Take Nikki for your Vetern Backup. :cheer2:

Seriously. I'd encourage Edmonton to find another asset to add to the deal. How 'bout all three of our goalies?

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If I were DL and I got a call offering the 3 oil goalies for Quick, I laugh and hang up. Theres nothing we want from you unless its the #1 pick.

I don't know what DL would take to get Quick but it would have to be a pretty decent deal

Don't laugh and hang up. Respond with something like "Sure... want us to toss Anze Kopitar in too?"

Then laugh and hang up.

In all seriousness, obviously a trade like that would never work. I just happen to hate all of our goalies, and really like Quick. If he really was available - and I can't imagine he will be - I hope Tambo would be checking in to see what it would take.

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Originally Posted by cnshockey

If I were DL and I got a call offering the 3 oil goalies for Quick, I laugh and hang up. Theres nothing we want from you unless its the #1 pick.

I don't know what DL would take to get Quick but it would have to be a pretty decent deal

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Kinda weird that a lot of goalies that are all stars, are or were in a slump. Such as Luongo, Quick, Price, Steve Maosn.
What I would do, is trade Quick for Steve Mason. Why? Because I think both goalies need a different team to play for. I think each goalie would fit in fine. Just my opinion. I know some people might disagree with me, but I just have a feeling that each goalie would be better off.

I think you are crazy for giving up on Quick after one season, but hey, more power to you. If you really think Bernier is the answer, send Quick and Simmonds to the Blackhawks for Huet and Sharp. You get a veteran backup for your untested goalie that everyone is so high on, and you get more scoring and veteran leadership up front with Sharp. What say you.

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Originally Posted by cnshockey

If I were DL and I got a call offering the 3 oil goalies for Quick, I laugh and hang up. Theres nothing we want from you unless its the #1 pick.

I don't know what DL would take to get Quick but it would have to be a pretty decent deal

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i doubt it... if Edmonton offered a 3rd round pick for a guy that is expendable because Bernier is ready... it's going to be considered because DL has 0 leverage.

Ersberg is going nowhere until he hits UFA next season.

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Originally Posted by 4ant4

I think you are crazy for giving up on Quick after one season, but hey, more power to you. If you really think Bernier is the answer, send Quick and Simmonds to the Blackhawks for Huet and Sharp. You get a veteran backup for your untested goalie that everyone is so high on, and you get more scoring and veteran leadership up front with Sharp. What say you.

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No. Never. God no. reason? no way in HECK is Simmonds ever leaving the Kings. He WILL be our captain one day. Guaranteed.

And it's not one season. This is Quicks 2nd. not a big difference but Quick is just too inconsistent and really if we have someone who is ready to be a consistent started who is just as good, if not better, in Bernier, why not trade Quick?

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Originally Posted by MasonRaymond0320

Kinda weird that a lot of goalies that are all stars, are or were in a slump. Such as Luongo, Quick, Price, Steve Maosn.
What I would do, is trade Quick for Steve Mason. Why? Because I think both goalies need a different team to play for. I think each goalie would fit in fine. Just my opinion. I know some people might disagree with me, but I just have a feeling that each goalie would be better off.

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No. Steve Mason is overrated IMO. No reason to swap them. If we trade Quick, we want scoring or a star shutdown D ala Volchenkov.

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Originally Posted by 30ranfordfan

Don't laugh and hang up. Respond with something like "Sure... want us to toss Anze Kopitar in too?"

Then laugh and hang up.

In all seriousness, obviously a trade like that would never work. I just happen to hate all of our goalies, and really like Quick. If he really was available - and I can't imagine he will be - I hope Tambo would be checking in to see what it would take.

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Dude I think that it might not happen this year but DL spent a 1st rounder on JB and a 2nd or 3rd on Quick. If they were both even in skill, he'd take quick 8 days of the week because he was drafted in the 1st PLUS he's younger. I would suspect Quick could be had; it would just have to be for a good package.

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Originally Posted by scottkoz20

i doubt it... if Edmonton offered a 3rd round pick for a guy that is expendable because Bernier is ready... it's going to be considered because DL has 0 leverage.

Ersberg is going nowhere until he hits UFA next season.

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No. This isn't a situation where Quick was just here to fill in until Bernier is ready. The thing is is that there will be a legit goalie battle for the starting job. Having seen both play and following Bernier in the minors, I feel that Bernier will steal the starting job at some point, if not right out of camp. If a guy like Dominic Moore could fetch a 2nd, Leopold a 2nd, and Poni gets traded for Caputi or whoever, no way does Quick go for less than a 2nd plus a roster player. And we don't need picks.

OK - updated my post (#4)

I suspect Quick and Bernier share the load in 2010-11 - Ersberg will be sent to Manchester - He is making under a million so let him play in Manchester - He's a decent goalie and he could help if one gets injured - DONE!

UFA
Fro - If DL can get him Cheap - Do it - maybe 3 years @ 3 Mil
Modin - I like Modin - Hopefully DL signs him for 2 years
Ivanans - SEE YA AND WOULDNT WANNA BE YA!!!!!
Jones - SEE YA AND WOULDNT WANNA BE YA!!!!!
OD - SEE YA AND WOULDNT WANNA BE YA!!!!!

Chris....I know you and I don't share the same feelings on Fro....but you gotta think he's gone. He had a terrible season statistically and it was a contract year. And he sucked in the playoffs besides his whole ONE goal in the last game.

I want David Booth from FLA. They're wheeling off everyone and everything they can and starting over from what I hear. We have prospects and picks to help them. I can't see a better fit for a deal between us.

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Originally Posted by cnshockey

If a guy like Dominic Moore could fetch a 2nd, Leopold a 2nd, and Poni gets traded for Caputi or whoever, no way does Quick go for less than a 2nd plus a roster player. And we don't need picks.

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but each of those deals were made in March, not during the Summer.

Look historically at deals that sent players to another team when they have depth... the return is not very good.

Paille for a 4th
Chipchura for a 4th

just as a couple examples.

Isnt Booth the one that got SMACKED in the head.....not onec....but TWICE???
NO way - He is a hit away from retirement...me thinks....

Honestly, I dont expect him here next season but if I was GM, I would try and get him cheap - He is a 60pt player - scores 20-30 a seaon and although streaky, tends to draw penalties....plus I would hate to let him go for nothing...Maybe sign and then trade him....

BTW - 4 points in 6 playoff games was not bad - I watched him play and I thought the Stoll / Brown / Fro line played a solid game

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Originally Posted by scottkoz20

but each of those deals were made in March, not during the Summer.

Look historically at deals that sent players to another team when they have depth... the return is not very good.

Paille for a 4th
Chipchura for a 4th

just as a couple examples.

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I bet you we could probably trade Quick plus maybe decentish pick for Carter in Philly and they'd jump on it in a second. Quick is a valuable commodity. A good athletic young goalie. I'm going to make the comparisons forever. Quick is just like a young MAF. MAF won a cup. Nothing is stopping Quick from doing that in a few years but I just don't think he'll be with the Kings if he wins one

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Originally Posted by scottkoz20

but each of those deals were made in March, not during the Summer.

Look historically at deals that sent players to another team when they have depth... the return is not very good.

Paille for a 4th
Chipchura for a 4th

just as a couple examples.

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But they didnt win 39 games.....or even score 20 goals......there is some leverage in a 39 game winner.....

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Originally Posted by cnshockey

I bet you we could probably trade Quick plus maybe decentish pick for Carter in Philly and they'd jump on it in a second. Quick is a valuable commodity. A good athletic young goalie. I'm going to make the comparisons forever. Quick is just like a young MAF. MAF won a cup. Nothing is stopping Quick from doing that in a few years but I just don't think he'll be with the Kings if he wins one

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Originally Posted by CSSports

But they didnt win 39 games.....or even score 20 goals......there is some leverage in a 39 game winner.....

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he won 39 games but (and lets say it) choked down the stretch. Was he over used, you bet... but if a team is going to invest a lot into a goalie, they want to be sure it's not a 1 year flash in the pan.

Honestly... I think he will be a solid goalie in the league but remember what the quackers got for Bryzgalov... i'm just saying

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Originally Posted by scottkoz20

he won 39 games but (and lets say it) choked down the stretch. Was he over used, you bet... but if a team is going to invest a lot into a goalie, they want to be sure it's not a 1 year flash in the pan.

Honestly... I think he will be a solid goalie in the league but remember what the quackers got for Bryzgalov... i'm just saying

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He had two solid regular seasons in his first two years. The reason he sucked was a combo of two things IMO. He was used too much and he had a baby not long before the playoffs. Combine fatigue plus not a lot of sleep = bad hockey.

Don't even bring up Bryz. He never played more than 31 games before the ducks got rid of him. No one could have predicted he would be the stud that he is today.

If you truly believe Berrnier is as good or better, well, more power to you, and good luck with that.

nice to see this thread get some love - i think we are pretty much agreed on the RFA's. Richardson needs to be re-signed, a couple of guys can go and a couple of guys can be re-signed as long as the salary remains similar.

looks like the goalie situation is getting some attention, so let's go there...

i would see what kind of interest i could get on Quick. he's a young goalie with playoff experience now. he carried the load this year and although he probably shouldn't play 70+ games a year, he could easily play 55-60 w/o a problem.

the Kings could go into next season with the Bernier/Ersberg tandem, but i'd much rather see them go with Bernier/Biron or something like that.

i do think the kings could get someone like Jeff Carter for Quick. the other thing to remember about Quick is that he's signed for a couple more years at less than $2M a season. that is huge for a cash strapped team. i'm not sure if Jeff Carter is a guy i want as he makes a lot of money and he contract is coming up, but i'd be interested in a deal that is similar to that.

I don't think Ersberg will be a King next year. He's out of options I think so I'm pretty sure DL will try to move him for a pick at the draft. He probably won't get anything better than a 5th or so, but I'd take it.

Then I'd go out and sign a quality back up to help Bernier. There are some decent goaltenders out there that are good veterans...Turco, Theodore, C.Mason, Emery, Biron, Hedberg, Lalime, Nittymaki, B.Johnson and more.

So, if I had my preference, I would trade Quick for a scoring winger, move Ersberg for a late round pick and sign Martin Biron to a one-year deal.

Then the Kings go into next year with Bernier as the #1 and Biron there to share the load in case Bernier struggles. We also have Zatkoff and Jones coming in the next couple of years. Bernier's growth will be stunted only playing 20-25 games next year and even worse if he has to play in the minors another year.

Quick struggles with mechanics and Bernier is very fundamentally strong. Go with the kid that you invested the high pick in and bring in a vet to show him the ropes.

Some places I would target trying to move Quick to...

Dallas (could maybe see James Neal coming back)
Philadelphia - Simon Gagne would like nice in Purple
Ottawa - not sure they are settled with either Elliott or Leclaire
Tampa Bay - St.Louis would look nice on the wing in LA
St.Louis - how about Backes or Brad Boyes?
Edmonton - not sure who to target there but they have some young talent.

each of these teams are in the market for a starting goalie and there isn't much on the market as far as starters go. Nabokov will probably re-sign, Turco might get a starting gig but not sure about that, maybe Theodore and Emery but neither was rock solid this year.

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

I don't think Ersberg will be a King next year. He's out of options I think so I'm pretty sure DL will try to move him for a pick at the draft. He probably won't get anything better than a 5th or so, but I'd take it.

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I'd be happy with a 6th or 7th for ersy. he sucks that much

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

Then I'd go out and sign a quality back up to help Bernier. There are some decent goaltenders out there that are good veterans...Turco, Theodore, C.Mason, Emery, Biron, Hedberg, Lalime, Nittymaki, B.Johnson and more.

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Turco - NO! Only would want him if Quick was with the team so he could teach Quick how to handle the puck
Theodore - nah.
Mason - no
emery - yes
Biron - yes
Hedberg - no
Lalime - heck no
Nitty - no
B. Johnson - signed in pitt. :winking0071:

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

Then the Kings go into next year with Bernier as the #1 and Biron there to share the load in case Bernier struggles. We also have Zatkoff and Jones coming in the next couple of years. Bernier's growth will be stunted only playing 20-25 games next year and even worse if he has to play in the minors another year.

Quick struggles with mechanics and Bernier is very fundamentally strong. Go with the kid that you invested the high pick in and bring in a vet to show him the ropes.

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exactly

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

Some places I would target trying to move Quick to...

Dallas (could maybe see James Neal coming back)
Philadelphia - Simon Gagne would like nice in Purple
Ottawa - not sure they are settled with either Elliott or Leclaire
Tampa Bay - St.Louis would look nice on the wing in LA
St.Louis - how about Backes or Brad Boyes?
Edmonton - not sure who to target there but they have some young talent.

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Dallas - no. not trading within the division
Philly - YES!
Ottawa - Nothing I'd want back unless it was Volch but he's a UFA so we're not trading a goalie signed to a dirt cheap deal for a UFAs rights
TBL - Don't want anyone from em
St. Louis - only guy I would have wanted from them was Palushaj and hes in MTL now
EDM - nah. Unless we get #1 pick in a nice big deal.[/quote]

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

Nabokov will probably re-sign,

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:sign0020: Please do. He sucks.

IMO, u guys need a foward instead of a defensemen. U guys have Johnson, Doughty (of course), Scuderi. I need a guy such as Oshie or Elias.

Come on, are you guys serious? Quick sucks, he has no fundamentals, run him out of town, but hey, we can probably get Jeff Carter, David Backes (next Captain for the Blues), Martin St.Louis, James Neal (that one is really laughable), even Simon Gagne is a hoot.

Sure, maybe you get one of those guys for Quick if you're tossing in your first round draft pick this year. I find it hilarious that people talk about how bad their players suck and they need to be run out of town, but we should get back top line talent in return.

If, and that's a big if, they decide to move Quick, they will be probably get back a later round draft pick, or some dead weight contract of a veteran way past his prime that is in the last year of his contract. NHL teams are not dumb, they are not going to give away top talent of high draft picks for a player that is expendable to a franchise that is actively trying to move him. Turco is a great example, proven playoff goaltender that many teams especially Philly and Chicago could have used, and no one was willing to give up upper talent or draft picks for him.

i don't mind trading Quick to Dallas if we could get James Neal. i'd also love to have St.Louis although I think he makes too much. wouldn't mind Ryan Malone either. and i'd be interested in Backes, Boyes or even Oshie from St.Louis. all three of those teams could use Quick in net.

and i would be happy with Chris Mason, Nittymaki or even Hedberg as a backup but I'd rather have Biron. Bernier and Biron are both french canadian which could also be a plus.

Now that I think about it, I think LA should trade Quick to Philly in exchange for someone like Jeff Carter. Philly has enough depth on scoring (Gagne, Richards, etc.). What Philadelphia really needs, is a goaltender.

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Originally Posted by MasonRaymond0320

Now that I think about it, I think LA should trade Quick to Philly in exchange for someone like Jeff Carter. Philly has enough depth on scoring (Gagne, Richards, etc.). What Philadelphia really needs, is a goaltender.

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Hey if it's that easy, maybe the Sabres can trade Enroth for Carter! (Well it's about as wild as your suggestion haha)

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Originally Posted by 4ant4

Come on, are you guys serious? Quick sucks, he has no fundamentals, run him out of town, but hey, we can probably get Jeff Carter, David Backes (next Captain for the Blues), Martin St.Louis, James Neal (that one is really laughable), even Simon Gagne is a hoot.

Sure, maybe you get one of those guys for Quick if you're tossing in your first round draft pick this year. I find it hilarious that people talk about how bad their players suck and they need to be run out of town, but we should get back top line talent in return.

If, and that's a big if, they decide to move Quick, they will be probably get back a later round draft pick, or some dead weight contract of a veteran way past his prime that is in the last year of his contract. NHL teams are not dumb, they are not going to give away top talent of high draft picks for a player that is expendable to a franchise that is actively trying to move him. Turco is a great example, proven playoff goaltender that many teams especially Philly and Chicago could have used, and no one was willing to give up upper talent or draft picks for him.

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i'd only be willing to deal Quick because we have Bernier ready to go. there were only four other goalies with 39 wins this year - we can get a good goal scorer for that. and remember, it's not just about talent, it's also about cap number. a team like Phily that is up against the cap could move Carter and his $5M salary with one year left to get a starting goalie at less than $2M/year. Carter will be RFA after next year and will command a long term deal that Phily might not be able to pay him.

and there is a HUGE difference between Turco and Quick...like 10+ years. there aren't many 25 year old goalies with a 39 win season and playoff experience at less than $2M/year for 2 more years. as a matter of fact, i'd be willing to bet there is exactly one.

not every team has the abundance of talent that the Kings have in their system in net. it's not like the old days where you can just sign anyone you want - it has to fit in your cap and many teams don't have room to bring in a quality goaltender.

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Originally Posted by wnysupport

Hey if it's that easy, maybe the Sabres can trade Enroth for Carter! (Well it's about as wild as your suggestion haha)

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yeah, i think Enroth has a 39-win season under his belt. didn't he do that...when was that....oh yeah, never.

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

yeah, i think Enroth has a 39-win season under his belt. didn't he do that...when was that....oh yeah, never.

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Quick was about 10th in Goals against and 15th-20th in SV&#37; - sorry not getting Carter for that.

I honestly think Enroth is a career AHL goalie, but figured I would throw out an insane trade offer like Quick for Carter.

btw - after tonight we might want to add Carey Price to the list of goalies available this summer.

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

yeah, i think Enroth has a 39-win season under his belt. didn't he do that...when was that....oh yeah, never.

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39 wins on a young team that overplayed him by about 15-20 games, but you guys are right, he sucks and has no fundamentals....... :sign0020:

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

btw - after tonight we might want to add Carey Price to the list of goalies available this summer.

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True - Halak was an absolute beast

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Originally Posted by wnysupport

Quick was about 10th in Goals against and 15th-20th in SV% - sorry not getting Carter for that.

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not sure i would take Carter for Quick. $5M/year is a ton of money to pay a 2nd line center and then he's a RFA after that and will want even more.

would rather get a guy like Oshie @ 1.275 for next year and try to re-sign him, although i don't know if he can play wing. and the only way to trade for Carter would be in a multi-player deal...something like...

Stoll & Quick for Carter & Giroux

either way, it's likely Carter gets moved because Phily won't be able to re-sign him. they have a lot of money committed to Briere and Richards. i don't think they can pay 3 centers $5M+ each/year. plus they are overpaying Timonen at $6.3M and Pronger makes about $5M for another 6 years.

Carter is gone after next year - and maybe Gagne too - they should try to get something for him.

trades are about cap space more than anything else. you gotta know your numbers.

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

Stoll & Quick for Carter & Giroux

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That has to be a joke.

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Originally Posted by 4ant4

39 wins on a young team that overplayed him by about 15-20 games, but you guys are right, he sucks and has no fundamentals....... :sign0020:

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i'm not sure if your reading comprehension is low or if you just like to stir the pot but i don't think anyone said he sucks and i said that his fundamentals aren't great and that Bernier's are better.

if you have something to contribute please do so - we're trying to have a mature conversation.

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Originally Posted by Qwikflipz

That has to be a joke.

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tell me why - although i don't know if Phily would be interested in another center.

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Originally Posted by gretzky99

tell me why - although i don't know if Phily would be interested in another center.

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Carter and Giroux are young guys, who can produce. Last I check, they have Emery, Boucher (who is doing well). They wouldn't give up Giroux and Carter for Stoll and a goalie that they don't really need. Maybe if it was Carter for Quick and a draft pick. But throwing in Giroux and Stoll puts the Kings at a bigger advantage.

The only place Giroux may be going is MTL for Carey Price.

they don't have Emery - he's a free agent.

do you think they are going to go into next season with Boucher as their #1? they did that once before and it didn't work out too well.

it's about cap space - they have Carter for one more year and then he's gone. no team can afford three centermen at $5M+ each and they aren't moving Richards and they can't move Briere. plus they have almost $15M tied up in 3 d-men.

i think they would be all over this. i checked and if they lose Carter they need another center. stoll could work for them as a third line center. it may not be giroux - maybe it's Leino. i would love to have Laperriere back and that would help their cap handle Stoll.

their options in net are...

1. Go with Boucher and pray
2. convince a guy like Theodore or Turco to play for peanuts
3. make a deal for a young and somewhat proven goalie with a low cap hit

Carter is gone one way or the other - why not turn him into something that helps your team?

if it's Giroux that messes the deal up, then i could see Carter/Laperriere for Quick/Stoll. Flyers save $1.5M in cap space and get a starting goalie and a third line center for a guy they can't sign after next year and a third line grinder.

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The only place Giroux may be going is MTL for Carey Price.

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if i'm MTL i would want more than Giroux.

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if it's Giroux that messes the deal up, then i could see Carter/Laperriere for Quick/Stoll. Flyers save $1.5M in cap space and get a starting goalie and a third line center for a guy they can't sign after next year and a third line grinder.

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That makes a lot more sense.

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if i'm MTL i would want more than Giroux.

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Why? Price is now a back-up. Pretty sure Montreal wouldn't mind Giroux, maybe a little more, for Price. No need having two #1 goalies.

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That makes a lot more sense.

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i guess folks are a lot higher on Giroux than i am.

i'm not sure the Kings would make a deal for Carter - i think he's too expensive and the Kings want cap room for Doughty and Johnson. i think if they move Quick it would be for someone like Oshie or Giroux or someone like that.

but again, trades aren't just about talent and stats anymore. it's about cap numbers.

even if it were Quick straight up for Carter I'm not sure DL makes the deal. i guess if they pass on Frolov and let Carter be their offensive pickup then maybe they would do it.

i'm no cap expert but Carter is a cap buster because he's got the one year left and then he's going to want to get paid as a RFA.

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Why? Price is now a back-up. Pretty sure Montreal wouldn't mind Giroux, maybe a little more, for Price. No need having two #1 goalies.

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just because Price is 21 - maybe Giroux has a lot more value then i think. i haven't seen him much.

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i guess folks are a lot higher on Giroux than i am.

i'm not sure the Kings would make a deal for Carter - i think he's too expensive and the Kings want cap room for Doughty and Johnson. i think if they move Quick it would be for someone like Oshie or Giroux or someone like that.

but again, trades aren't just about talent and stats anymore. it's about cap numbers.

even if it were Quick straight up for Carter I'm not sure DL makes the deal. i guess if they pass on Frolov and let Carter be their offensive pickup then maybe they would do it.

i'm no cap expert but Carter is a cap buster because he's got the one year left and then he's going to want to get paid as a RFA.

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Giroux is 22 years old, and he puts up good numbers. I think Giroux for Quick makes the most sense. And maybe Kovy will land in LA? If they try that, than they need to do something big.

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just because Price is 21 - maybe Giroux has a lot more value then i think. i haven't seen him much.

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Giroux is 22. Age is the same. Montreal has Halak or Price, they could do either.

i don't know enough about Giroux to know if i would trade Quick for him. the numbers work.

it will be interesting to see if MTL is willing to move one of their guys. i would think yes but they might not want to give up on Price so early.

same thing for the Kings. i'm not sure DL would be willing to move Quick with Bernier only having played 7 NHL games.

that's why i love these threads - speculation is fun, especially when your team's season is over.

I really like Giroux and I'm a Pens fan. But anyway I think when Price gets out of MTL, he will become a true #1 goalie in this league. He has huge upside.

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i don't know enough about Giroux to know if i would trade Quick for him. the numbers work.

it will be interesting to see if MTL is willing to move one of their guys. i would think yes but they might not want to give up on Price so early.

same thing for the Kings. i'm not sure DL would be willing to move Quick with Bernier only having played 7 NHL games.

that's why i love these threads - speculation is fun, especially when your team's season is over.

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A second year player scoring a point in every other game. Pretty good.

And MTL doesn't need two number one goalies. They need to move one of them, personally I think Price will be moved. And LA has 3 NHL goalies. Quick, Ersberg, Bernier. I think Ersberg can be back-up. LA will probably move one of them. Or Quick stays the starter, and we are wasting our breathe :sign0020:

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i'm not sure if your reading comprehension is low or if you just like to stir the pot but i don't think anyone said he sucks and i said that his fundamentals aren't great and that Bernier's are better.

if you have something to contribute please do so - we're trying to have a mature conversation.

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You must be off your rocker, you and your buddy cns who has said Quick sucks about 20 times the last few days. Now you are talking about trading Quick for TJ Oshie? LA LA Land, seriously. Your Stoll and Quick for Carter and Giroux is even more laughable. You claim you are trying to have a mature conversation, but you are throwing out some of the most ridiculous opinions of what you think the Kings can get in return, you aren't even inthe same universe on trade value. Hell, with your logic, the Hawks should be able to trade Niemi and Versteeg for Crosby and Malkin.

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You must be off your rocker, you and your buddy cns who has said Quick sucks about 20 times the last few days. Now you are talking about trading Quick for TJ Oshie? LA LA Land, seriously. Your Stoll and Quick for Carter and Giroux is even more laughable. You claim you are trying to have a mature conversation, but you are throwing out some of the most ridiculous opinions of what you think the Kings can get in return, you aren't even inthe same universe on trade value. Hell, with your logic, the Hawks should be able to trade Niemi and Versteeg for Crosby and Malkin.

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please show me where i said Quick sucks.

i said he didn't play well in the series and was the reason they lost the series. i said his fundamentals aren't as good as Bernier's. but please show me where i said he sucks - but you won't because you can't.

if you are going to come into my thread and throw jabs at me then please get your facts straight. show me quotes. otherwise, find yourself someone else to pester.

Yeah it was me who said he sucks.

Of course, really I know he doesn't suck. Go check around. I make comparisons between Quick and MAF and their styles of play. MAF won a cup and i pointed that out. The reason I say he sucks is because he lost us this series and I'm just saying it out of anger because I feel with Bernier in the net we would have won the series

and to prove my point, here is the thread you are referring to. again, please point out where i said he sucks...anywhere. the worst thing i said about him is that his technique isn't good.

https://www.sportscardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1097515
https://www.sportscardforum.com/showt...1098523&page=4


bring facts or go away.

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A second year player scoring a point in every other game. Pretty good.

And MTL doesn't need two number one goalies. They need to move one of them, personally I think Price will be moved. And LA has 3 NHL goalies. Quick, Ersberg, Bernier. I think Ersberg can be back-up. LA will probably move one of them. Or Quick stays the starter, and we are wasting our breathe :sign0020:

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i don't think 40 points for a second year player is that much to go crazy over. like i said, i haven't seen him much, but the stats aren't staggering. from what i've heard he has some talent and he's cheap right now so i don't imagine Phily moving him unless it's for a goalie.

the question is if the MTL brass is convinced that one of them is a true #1. if they don't have to trade one because of contracts/cap situations then they may wait. same with the Kings.

i think Ersberg could be a backup somewhere but i'd prefer it not be in LA. i'd rather have a veteran backup if we are going to go with a young #1.

i actually don't think DL will trade Quick. i think now is the time to do it to get the most in return for him, but i don't think he'll risk having Bernier be the #1 to start next year.

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I think you are crazy for giving up on Quick after one season, but hey, more power to you. If you really think Bernier is the answer, send Quick and Simmonds to the Blackhawks for Huet and Sharp. You get a veteran backup for your untested goalie that everyone is so high on, and you get more scoring and veteran leadership up front with Sharp. What say you.

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this is funny - you say my offers are crazy after you make this offer. two overpaid vets for two 2nd year players that are making 1/3 of what the two guys you're offering make. huet is washed up and although i like sharp, he's way overpaid.

i don't know how much you know about hockey but my trade was 10X more likely than this one.

first off, Chicago is in cap hell and there is no team that will help them by taking their bad contracts.

second, huet makes $5.6M to be a backup for two more years. no team will trade for that. none. zero.

sharp makes almost $4M for two more years. he's not a bad player but he's simmonds with less upside and 4X the price.

i don't know of anyone who would take huet over quick at even salary let alone 3X. sharp has a little more offense to him right now but not sure anyone would take him over simmonds straight up right now, let alone at 4X the salary.

the trade i threw out was much more doable...

the flyers need a goalie and are in cap hell as well. they have over $12M tied up in their top 2 centers for another 5 years and over $11M in their top 2 d-men over the next three. that's over 1/3 of their cap on four players.

they can't afford to keep carter past this year. they aren't trading richards and they can't unload briere so carter is out. gagne might be as well as they are both up after next year.

they can either trade them now and get something or let them walk. that is called a position of weakness. the kings don't have to trade Quick. he and Bernier can share starts next year and the following year before they have to make a decision as both are signed.

it's pure speculation on my part if they would want Stoll but if they lose carter they would need a third line center. but having carter and quick as the centerpiece of a deal is not far-fetched in the least. it probably doesn't make a ton of sense for Phily to trade Giroux at this point as he's cheap and would help make up for the scoring lost with Carter. more likely it would be someone like coburn who is someone the kings could use on the back end.

trading quick/simmonds for huet/sharp makes absolutely no sense. huet is useless and overpaid. $5.6M for 20-25 games a year doesn't make a ton of sense, no? sharp isn't a bad player but he makes way too much money for what he provides. the Kings are in a good cap situation - they would never trade away cheap, young talent to the 'Hawks let alone bail them out of cap hell.

before you go off on other folks check yourself. use some facts - they are wonderful things.

From a Flyers perspective...
No way the Flyers trade Giroux (he is one of the best deals for our cap right now) and no way they move laperiere after the season he's had here.
You may be high on Quick, but you have to remember that everyone knows you have 3 goalies and will be looking to move one, so you wont get as good an offer as you think.
Same thing goes for Price in MTL, they can't afford to sign them both up there, so they will give him up for a lot less than MTL fans think he's worth.

If Carter gets dealt, it wont be until the deadline next year, because you dont trade your best goal scorer for a guy with fewer playoff wins than Brian Boucher because he had 39 wins in 1 regular season.

Just my 2 cents...

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i don't think 40 points for a second year player is that much to go crazy over. like i said, i haven't seen him much, but the stats aren't staggering. from what i've heard he has some talent and he's cheap right now so i don't imagine Phily moving him unless it's for a goalie.

the question is if the MTL brass is convinced that one of them is a true #1. if they don't have to trade one because of contracts/cap situations then they may wait. same with the Kings.

i think Ersberg could be a backup somewhere but i'd prefer it not be in LA. i'd rather have a veteran backup if we are going to go with a young #1.

i actually don't think DL will trade Quick. i think now is the time to do it to get the most in return for him, but i don't think he'll risk having Bernier be the #1 to start next year.

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You wanted Stoll/Quick for Carter/Giroux. Giroux had the same production as Stoll, and is 5 years younger. He is only getting better. Stamkos stats didn't shock me the first year. Look what he did last year. Giroux is on the up swing. It will take a lot to trade away your best young guy, like a Giroux. That being said, I don't think Quick gets moved. One playoff series shouldn't affect that decision. He got you there, and yea, he was shaky, but it was his first playoff series. He does remind me of Fleury, and for Kings fans, I'd be happy with that because Fleury has that ring.

ok, my suggestion of Giroux was clearly a bad idea. the Flyers are obviously high on him.

as far as Carter, you are right, they may wait until the trade deadline. but the problem is are the Flyers willing to go into next season with Boucher as their goalie? i guess he got them to the 2nd round so maybe they are. but i know i wouldn't feel comfortable with Boucher as my #1.

and as far as the Kings having to trade a goalie, the goalie they are trading is Ersberg. the plan is for Bernier and Quick to share starts. clearly Quick couldn't handle 70+ games this early in his career. but a 50/30 split is probably what you are looking at next year.

the only reason the Kings would trade Quick is to capitalize on his good season. now if you say that the Kings won't get much for Ersberg, i totally agree. he's the guy that is getting moved for sure.

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but the problem is are the Flyers willing to go into next season with Boucher as their goalie? i guess he got them to the 2nd round so maybe they are. but i know i wouldn't feel comfortable with Boucher as my #1.

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We'll resign Leighton as the #1 if we cant find a deal without giving up Carter/Giroux.

is that any better? i don't think you'd "have" to give up Giroux - frankly i looked at their roster and went with him because he's a winger. could be a couple other guys - somene like Coburn would fit a need the Kings have.

they have other options - they could re-sign emery or go after a bigger name.

the question is how do they turn Carter and possibly Gagne into the best assets they can. they can probably only keep one, so do they let Gagne walk? Carter has more value because he's a RFA and younger.

that Briere contract is going to kill them - Timonen too. that's $13M tied up for a long time and i don't think either can be moved at that number.

I could see them maybe moving Coburn, but not until they see how Parent (back problems) and Bartulis/Syvret come along by training camp. I dont know that they will want to pay emery after his injury if he is even able to play next year.
I would personally love to see Gagne finish his career in Philly but would not be surprised to see him go at this point (he has a no-trade clause though). I agree that Briere's deal has been brutal on our cap and was never worth that price even at his best and would love to see that contract gone, but with a no-trade clause and that high a price, I dont know that anyone would take that off our hands. (I think Timonen has been worth it though).

I forsee a deal with either LA/MTL IF we make for a goalie this summer, but I think one of the city's fans involved will NOT be happy with the outcome (one side giving up too much for what they get in return).

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please show me where i said Quick sucks.

i said he didn't play well in the series and was the reason they lost the series. i said his fundamentals aren't as good as Bernier's. but please show me where i said he sucks - but you won't because you can't.

if you are going to come into my thread and throw jabs at me then please get your facts straight. show me quotes. otherwise, find yourself someone else to pester.

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I clearly said "your buddy CNS" said he sucks, you claim his fundamentals are not good. Why don't you read and comprehend, beore throwing jabs at me. It's a public forum and a public thread, you don't own it and anyone has the right to post their opinion in it.

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this is funny - you say my offers are crazy after you make this offer. two overpaid vets for two 2nd year players that are making 1/3 of what the two guys you're offering make. huet is washed up and although i like sharp, he's way overpaid.

i don't know how much you know about hockey but my trade was 10X more likely than this one.

first off, Chicago is in cap hell and there is no team that will help them by taking their bad contracts.

second, huet makes $5.6M to be a backup for two more years. no team will trade for that. none. zero.

sharp makes almost $4M for two more years. he's not a bad player but he's simmonds with less upside and 4X the price.

i don't know of anyone who would take huet over quick at even salary let alone 3X. sharp has a little more offense to him right now but not sure anyone would take him over simmonds straight up right now, let alone at 4X the salary.

the trade i threw out was much more doable...

the flyers need a goalie and are in cap hell as well. they have over $12M tied up in their top 2 centers for another 5 years and over $11M in their top 2 d-men over the next three. that's over 1/3 of their cap on four players.

they can't afford to keep carter past this year. they aren't trading richards and they can't unload briere so carter is out. gagne might be as well as they are both up after next year.

they can either trade them now and get something or let them walk. that is called a position of weakness. the kings don't have to trade Quick. he and Bernier can share starts next year and the following year before they have to make a decision as both are signed.

it's pure speculation on my part if they would want Stoll but if they lose carter they would need a third line center. but having carter and quick as the centerpiece of a deal is not far-fetched in the least. it probably doesn't make a ton of sense for Phily to trade Giroux at this point as he's cheap and would help make up for the scoring lost with Carter. more likely it would be someone like coburn who is someone the kings could use on the back end.

trading quick/simmonds for huet/sharp makes absolutely no sense. huet is useless and overpaid. $5.6M for 20-25 games a year doesn't make a ton of sense, no? sharp isn't a bad player but he makes way too much money for what he provides. the Kings are in a good cap situation - they would never trade away cheap, young talent to the 'Hawks let alone bail them out of cap hell.

before you go off on other folks check yourself. use some facts - they are wonderful things.

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You obviously have zero concept of sarcasm, but hey, it's my fault. I now realize what I should have last night, you are living in your own fantasy world.

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I could see them maybe moving Coburn, but not until they see how Parent (back problems) and Bartulis/Syvret come along by training camp. I dont know that they will want to pay emery after his injury if he is even able to play next year.
I would personally love to see Gagne finish his career in Philly but would not be surprised to see him go at this point (he has a no-trade clause though). I agree that Briere's deal has been brutal on our cap and was never worth that price even at his best and would love to see that contract gone, but with a no-trade clause and that high a price, I dont know that anyone would take that off our hands. (I think Timonen has been worth it though).

I forsee a deal with either LA/MTL IF we make for a goalie this summer, but I think one of the city's fans involved will NOT be happy with the outcome (one side giving up too much for what they get in return).

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TM has come out and said that Quick is the number 1 next year so it may not matter what Quick's trade value is. But I'd love to be a fly on the wall in DL's office listening in on what kind of offers he gets.

I think Quick and Bernier end up splitting next season and Ersberg is in Manchester - Ersberg makes under 1 mil so it wouldnt be a big deal for him to be in Manchester....

I do feel DL will make a splash at the draft....Kings will have around 20th pick so he wont get the best of the Draft's crop....I say he makes a trade for either a top 10 or for a bona fide scorer....

i thought ersberg was out of options?

He has one year left - and Kings are known for sending netminders to Manchester even with ne way contracts - LaBarbara, Fiset

Okay...lets get something straight here. A two way contract does NOT mean someone can just be sent down without having to face waivers. A two way contract means that a player has a salary for the NHL level and a separate salary for the minors. One way contract means that person makes that money regardless of where he is. Now I believe waivers don't kick in until a certain date so Ersy would have to be sent down before a certain date (not sure of the date). To be exempt from waivers is based on your age. Just want to make sure people realize that.

ok, next Kings topic...the kids. what do we do with the following prospects? where do they play next year? do they fit in DL's plans or will they be moved?

i'm only going to comment on the guys i know something about...

Centers

Azevedo - undersized scorer, AHL next year
Cliche - hasn't lived up to billing, AHL next year
Elkins - didn't look bad with Kings for a few games - AHL next year
Gauthier - he can go
Loktionov - he will be with the Kings eventually, start next year in AHL
Mikus - ?
Moller - moving to wing, hopefully to the left side as we are short on prospects there
Pelech - ?
Westgarth (lakings.com has him listed at center?) - ivanans with a little skill/13th forward in NHL next year
Czarnik - ?
Dowd - ?
Nolan - ?
Schenn - maybe with Kings next year. can't play in AHL so if he plays well in camp he could be with the big club.
Roe - ? nice stats in college

LW

Clune - 4th liner next year maybe
Holloway - don't know much about him other than he scored 4 GWG in playoffs. dont' think he'll make the big club next year
King - ?
Meckler - ? doesn't look like much of a scorer
Clifford - i know a lot of folks like him - tough with a scoring touch.
Kozun - looking forward to seeing what he can do against better competition. hoping to lights up the AHL next year if he's eligible.
Wudrick - ?

RW

Lewis - might have run out of chances at this point...
Parse - good rookie season if he can stay out of TM's doghouse. reminds me of o'sullivan a bit in that he has scoring touch but not the motor he needs.
Rheault - ?
Zeiler - can he please go now?
Vey - ?

D-men

Muzzin - would love to see what he can do in a full year in Manchester
Bagnall - ?
Campbell - ?
Hickey - needs a full year in Manchester
Kolomaitis - ?
Martinez - trade bait. don't think he ranks in top 3 of d prospects. if we can move him i think we should.
Mullen - ?
Piskula - i guess let's see if he develops more but not too excited about him.
Voynov - NHL next year to replace Jones
Teubert - give him at least a full year in Manchester before we do anything with him.
Deslauries - ?

Goalies

Berube - shares time with Zatkoff next year in AHL
Zatkoff - starter in Manchester next year
Jones - anyone know if he's eligible for another year in juniors?

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ok, next Kings topic...the kids. what do we do with the following prospects? where do they play next year? do they fit in DL's plans or will they be moved?

i'm only going to comment on the guys i know something about...

Centers

Azevedo - undersized scorer, AHL next year. AHL for sure.
Cliche - hasn't lived up to billing, AHL next year agreed
Elkins - didn't look bad with Kings for a few games - AHL next year agree but he will be near the top to get a call next year
Gauthier - he can go garbage. bye
Loktionov - he will be with the Kings eventually, start next year in AHL quite frankly, assuming we don't move stoll and schen isn't on the team and fro is gone (all are likely), Lokti could be 2nd line LWer. And you KNOW I want that
Mikus - ? He was okay. Still an AHLer. Maybe get a call next year to see what he has at an NHL level. but for sure needs another year adjusting to the NA game
Moller - moving to wing, hopefully to the left side as we are short on prospects there I want to trade him while he still has value
Pelech - ? no input from me
Westgarth (lakings.com has him listed at center?) - ivanans with a little skill/13th forward in NHL next year As i've said a million times, he will swap in and out on 4th line LW with clune
Czarnik - ? lots of potential. Played LW on the top line for Plymouth with Seguin. I don't like the kid since he left michigan and I love michigan
Dowd - ? guarantee you we don't ever sign him
Nolan - ? could develop in to a good 4th line player at best
Schenn - maybe with Kings next year. can't play in AHL so if he plays well in camp he could be with the big club. 9 games with the big boys then right back to juniors
Roe - ? nice stats in college no info from me

LW

Clune - 4th liner next year maybe change maybe to for sure
Holloway - don't know much about him other than he scored 4 GWG in playoffs. dont' think he'll make the big club next year guy is for SURE one of my new favorite prospects. He has a shot at making it. Don't doubt him Dave. He's at the top of my list for callups
King - ? 4th line center at best
Meckler - ? doesn't look like much of a scorer bye bye
Clifford - i know a lot of folks like him - tough with a scoring touch. He could end up being the LW version of simmonds
Kozun - looking forward to seeing what he can do against better competition. hoping to lights up the AHL next year if he's eligible. He's AHL eligible. No shot for him next year. Sorry but he needs a year or two of AHL level play
Wudrick - ? <3<3<3. Pretty similar to clifford with maybe a bit less skill

RW

Lewis - might have run out of chances at this point... TRADE HIM!
Parse - good rookie season if he can stay out of TM's doghouse. reminds me of o'sullivan a bit in that he has scoring touch but not the motor he needs. Trade him too. too inconsistent
Rheault - ? who?
Zeiler - can he please go now? What you said
Vey - ? Think Kozun but more of a coward and not as good offensively

D-men

Muzzin - would love to see what he can do in a full year in Manchester He will be in Manch. Good prospect
Bagnall - ? no info
Campbell - ? Kings love this dude for some reason. He's a project though
Hickey - needs a full year in Manchester and with no injuries
Kolomaitis - ? not too well aware of him
Martinez - trade bait. don't think he ranks in top 3 of d prospects. if we can move him i think we should. what you said
Mullen - ? trade him
Piskula - i guess let's see if he develops more but not too excited about him. dude he's worthless now. get rid of him
Voynov - NHL next year to replace Jones To me he's a lock for the team
Teubert - give him at least a full year in Manchester before we do anything with him. no. at least two years
Deslauries - ? one of my favorite D prospects beside Voinov. Tons of skill and potential.

Goalies

Berube - shares time with Zatkoff next year in AHL Has another year in juniors dude. But I love him as a project goalie
Zatkoff - starter in Manchester next year He'll be the starter in Manch for sure with Jones backing him up
Jones - anyone know if he's eligible for another year in juniors? He will be backing up Zatty in Manch. Don't be surprised if he's starting by the end of the season

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i'll go purple for obvious reasons - just remember, we need to have a full team in Manchester. some of these guys may never make the big club but you have to have 3rd and 4th line players and 5th and 6th d-men in the minors.

ok, next Kings topic...the kids. what do we do with the following prospects? where do they play next year? do they fit in DL's plans or will they be moved?

i'm only going to comment on the guys i know something about...

Centers

Azevedo - undersized scorer, AHL next year. AHL for sure.
Cliche - hasn't lived up to billing, AHL next year agreed
Elkins - didn't look bad with Kings for a few games - AHL next year agree but he will be near the top to get a call next year
Gauthier - he can go garbage. bye
Loktionov - he will be with the Kings eventually, start next year in AHL quite frankly, assuming we don't move stoll and schen isn't on the team and fro is gone (all are likely), Lokti could be 2nd line LWer. And you KNOW I want that can he play wing? i'd like to see him get a full year in Manchester but if he lights it up early we could definitely use the scoring.
Mikus - ? He was okay. Still an AHLer. Maybe get a call next year to see what he has at an NHL level. but for sure needs another year adjusting to the NA game
Moller - moving to wing, hopefully to the left side as we are short on prospects there I want to trade him while he still has value not sure he has too much value right now. he's had nearly a full season in the NHL will not much production. i'd like to see what he can do on the wing. he's still young, unless he suffers a major injury he'll retain value. he needs to fill out a bit.
Pelech - ? no input from me
Westgarth (lakings.com has him listed at center?) - ivanans with a little skill/13th forward in NHL next year As i've said a million times, he will swap in and out on 4th line LW with clune
Czarnik - ? lots of potential. Played LW on the top line for Plymouth with Seguin. I don't like the kid since he left michigan and I love michigan ooh, i like him even more now. Go Bucks!
Dowd - ? guarantee you we don't ever sign him
Nolan - ? could develop in to a good 4th line player at best
Schenn - maybe with Kings next year. can't play in AHL so if he plays well in camp he could be with the big club. 9 games with the big boys then right back to juniors i feel the same about him as with Loktionov. if he lights it up, let him play. but only if he's a productive 2nd line player. not worth paying him $3M to play 4th line or not be productive.
Roe - ? nice stats in college no info from me

LW

Clune - 4th liner next year maybe change maybe to for sure not sure i like him yet - jury is still out for me on him.
Holloway - don't know much about him other than he scored 4 GWG in playoffs. dont' think he'll make the big club next year guy is for SURE one of my new favorite prospects. He has a shot at making it. Don't doubt him Dave. He's at the top of my list for callups if he can score he'll have a shot as we need some scoring on the left side.
King - ? 4th line center at best
Meckler - ? doesn't look like much of a scorer bye bye
Clifford - i know a lot of folks like him - tough with a scoring touch. He could end up being the LW version of simmonds i think he needs at least one more year before he gets the call - but again, we could use some help on the left side
Kozun - looking forward to seeing what he can do against better competition. hoping to lights up the AHL next year if he's eligible. He's AHL eligible. No shot for him next year. Sorry but he needs a year or two of AHL level play yeah, definitely one year in AHL and go from there.
Wudrick - ? <3<3<3. Pretty similar to clifford with maybe a bit less skill

RW

Lewis - might have run out of chances at this point... TRADE HIM! he's RFA so they probably won't offer a contract. can't really trade him.
Parse - good rookie season if he can stay out of TM's doghouse. reminds me of o'sullivan a bit in that he has scoring touch but not the motor he needs. Trade him too. too inconsistent he's RFA too
Rheault - ? who?
Zeiler - can he please go now? What you said
Vey - ? Think Kozun but more of a coward and not as good offensively

D-men

Muzzin - would love to see what he can do in a full year in Manchester He will be in Manch. Good prospect they should have a good d in Manchester. would make a nice pairing with Hickey.
Bagnall - ? no info
Campbell - ? Kings love this dude for some reason. He's a project though
Hickey - needs a full year in Manchester and with no injuries
Kolomaitis - ? not too well aware of him
Martinez - trade bait. don't think he ranks in top 3 of d prospects. if we can move him i think we should. what you said
Mullen - ? trade him
Piskula - i guess let's see if he develops more but not too excited about him. dude he's worthless now. get rid of him don't think we could really get anything for him. he's that 5th-6th d-man that plays in AHL as long as he's willing.
Voynov - NHL next year to replace Jones To me he's a lock for the team
Teubert - give him at least a full year in Manchester before we do anything with him. no. at least two years at least one year and see how he does. he might need more. seems to me the kind of guy that will take a few years to get it but when he does he could be a force. we have enough d-men in the system that we can afford to be patient with him.
Deslauries - ? one of my favorite D prospects beside Voinov. Tons of skill and potential.

Goalies

Berube - shares time with Zatkoff next year in AHL Has another year in juniors dude. But I love him as a project goalie - he played in Manchester this year - are you sure he's eligible for juniors?
Zatkoff - starter in Manchester next year He'll be the starter in Manch for sure with Jones backing him up
Jones - anyone know if he's eligible for another year in juniors? He will be backing up Zatty in Manch. Don't be surprised if he's starting by the end of the season i'm excited to see him play on a team that's not dominant. his junior team was awesome - let him play with a team with little scoring like Manchester and see what he can do.

If Berube played in the AHL, it was because his season was over and it was late in the season. Berube for SURE has junior elgibility still. He was an 09 pick so I think he can have two more years in juniors

yeah, then let him play junior if he can. i like a jones/zatkoff split in manchester.

so do I. And then I'm going to LOVE a Bernier/Jones combo in LA

so here's what i think as far as how i would rate the Kings prospects by position...not for next year but long-term value to the Kings

C - overloaded - could use a couple of these guys as bait

Schenn - future 3rd line center (replace Handzus)
Loktionov - future 2nd line center (replace Stoll)
Moller - probably traded but could be converted to a wing as we have very few RW prospects.
Cliche - one more year to see what he has although he's RFA so he could be gone
Elkins - not sure there will be on place on the Kings unless Schenn or Loktionov get traded or if he moves to a wing. also RFA this year

LW - couple of good players coming in a year or two

Kozun - the scoring potential we need - hopefully he can prove he can do it at the next level.
Clifford - grit + scoring touch. future 3rd line LW
Holloway - if he scores clutch goals like he is now then he needs a shot
Clune - doesn't look like he can be much more than a 4th line wing. useful but not too valuable. RFA this year as well.

RW - no real prospects here - maybe Moller gets move to RW

Parse - 3rd line max out with Parse. RFA this year
Lewis - i think he's on his way out. RFA this year
Vey - not sure what we have here

D - really like our prospects here. we are going to be paying a lot of $ to doughty/johnson/scuderi/greene. we're going to need some cheap options on the back end.

Hickey - hope he can stay healthy as we need him on the #2 pp
Voynov - he could help out next year
Teubert - needs at least a year or two to see what we have.
Muzzin - very interesting. seems like the Kings will need to make a decision on him sooner than later.
Deslauries - don't know much
Martinez - not sure he has the high end potential as some of the guys above him. don't see any way he plays much with the big club. trade bait?

G

Bernier - The Future is Now
Jones - want to see what he can do in AHL
Zatkoff - don't know if he'll ever see the NHL with the Kings unless we move Quick
Berube - a few years away still. if he shows potential it will probably get him traded.

Berube>Zatkoff if you're talking potential.

look at the current roster...

C

Kopitar - here for the long term
Handzus - one more year on contract. probably leaves after next year.
Stoll - two more years on contract - could be traded this offseason if DL thinks Schenn is ready.
Halpern - UFA and probably not getting re-signed

LW

Frolov - UFA and unlikely to return unless his contract demands are much less than expected.
Smyth - here for another 2 years. not going anywhere next year at least.
Modin - UFA but hopefully will be re-signed to a one-year deal.
Ivanans - UFA - see you later.

RW

Brown - here for a while
Simmonds - one more year on deal and then re-signed to long-term deal
Williams - one more year on deal - could be traded in offseason but i would let him play it out as i don't think we could get much for him coming off another injury.
Richardson - RFA would like to see him get a 3 year/$4M contract. that would more than double his salary and he deserves it.

D

Doughty - needs to be a King forever. will be re-signed sometime in the next 12 months to a Duncan Keith type deal
Johnson - one more year - would like to see him locked up to a longer-term deal as well before he has a breakout season.
Scuderi - three more years so he's all set
Greene - four more years
O'Donnell - UFA could retire, could come back for another year.
Drewiske - signed for 3 more years for very, very cheap.
Harrold - one more year for almost nothing

G

Quick - under a great contract for 3 more years
Ersberg - one more year on his deal but will probably go to Europe or be traded

possibilites for next year...

C

Kopitar
Stoll/Schenn/Loktionov
Handzus
Richardson/Holloway/Elkins/UFA

LW

Smyth
UFA/Modin/Frolov
Richardson
Clune/Clifford/Westgarth

RW

Williams
Brown
Simmonds
Parse/Moller/Cliche

D

Doughty
Scuderi
Johnson
Greene
O'Donnell/UFA/Voynov
Drewiske/Harrold/Hickey/Martinez

G

Quick
Bernier
Ersberg

If Schenn isn't on the team this year, then what will probably happen is Zeus walks, Schenn goes to 2nd line, Stoll takes 3rd line.

Trade Brown. He's a terrible captain and he doesn't realize how bad he is at dangling. Plus he NEVER shoots when he has a good angle.

I like Willy but I want someone who isn't glass

I want Greene on this team for at LEAST 8 more years.

OD needs to leave.

Ersberg will be traded for a 5th, 6th, or 7th so JB can play

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If Schenn isn't on the team this year, then what will probably happen is Zeus walks, Schenn goes to 2nd line, Stoll takes 3rd line.

Trade Brown. He's a terrible captain and he doesn't realize how bad he is at dangling. Plus he NEVER shoots when he has a good angle.

I like Willy but I want someone who isn't glass

I want Greene on this team for at LEAST 8 more years.

OD needs to leave.

Ersberg will be traded for a 5th, 6th, or 7th so JB can play

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i wouldn't trade brown. i know you don't like him but he's a good 2nd line RW that can score and hit. he's not getting paid huge money so for what we have him at i like him. he's not a first line winger so as long as he plays what his role should be he's a keeper.

i would trade williams if we could get something for him but i don't think we can at this point. could be a deadline move next year if he stays healthy.

i like greene too - he plays a rough style that may not last a long time but i'm glad we have him for four more years.

o'donnell will probably retire but i wouldn't hate him as the 6th/7th d-man.

i agree, Ersberg will probably be traded or sent to Europe.

OD is just awful. I don't wanna see him with a kings logo on his chest next year or I'll be just as scared as I was this year when Jones touched the puck.

possible line-up for the 2012-2013 Kings...

kozun/kopitar/simmonds
holloway/loktionov/brown
clifford/schenn/moller
clune/richardson/cliche

doughty/scuderi
johnson/voynov
greene/hickey
muzzin/teubert

bernier/jones

that doesn't include any free agents they might sign or any trades they could make.

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OD is just awful. I don't wanna see him with a kings logo on his chest next year or I'll be just as scared as I was this year when Jones touched the puck.

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if voynov or hickey or martinez is ready and drewiske recovers then i don't see the point in keeping him around. harrold will be the #7. but i'd rather o'donnell than a rookie that plays tentatively or spending $ on a free agent that keeps us from re-signing doughty/johnson/simmonds.

positions of strength...

Center
Defense
Goalie

need to upgrade

Wings

possible trade bait this summer and next year...

Moller, Elkins, Cliche, Azevedo, Stoll
Martinez, Teubert
Quick, Ersberg

Team needs for 2010-11 (via trade, UFA or call-up)

Scoring LW
Grinding PK Forward
Someone to play with Johnson on the 2nd pairing

i like our first line assuming they can stay healthy and i love our shut down line. need a scoring winger to play with brown/stoll (or schenn) and a grinder/middleweight to play on the 4th line and PK.
on defense, i love doughty/johnson/scuderi/greene. need a puck-mover to play with greene and a stay at home guy to play with Johnson. voynov could be the guy to play with Greene. need a guy like Seidenberg or Volchenkov to play with Johnson so he can roam free.

at the draft, DL should focus on goal scorers. i know they are hard to find but we have playmakers both with the big club and in the minors. we need a power forward and a sniper.

Dave not sure where you stand on Kovalchuk but seriously I'd rather have Volchenkov. Really. Our team was fine scoring this year. That scoring is only going to go up with the young guys we have. What we NEED is a guy like Volch who will just absolutely shut down everyone on the opposing team. Imagine a PK with DD, Volch, Greene, and Scuds on it. Best PK in the league? Probably would be.

WoW kings fans are truely sick i saw like 5 posts on a playoff gdt thread and already 9 pages on a what to do for next year, guess your trained. :boxing: and no way kovy goes to LA never happen, next year its datsyuk to kovalchuk.

for a while i wanted Kovy but not now. he'll cost way too much. the only way Detroit can sign him is if Lidstrom retired and they don't re-sign a few other guys and go with a bunch of youngsters. their payroll is already at $40M and they only have 12 players under contract. kovy gets $10M which means you have about $10M to work with and you still need 2 d-men and 5 forwards.

i would rather have simmonds/doughty/johnson than Kovy. sure, i'd like him and volchenkov or hamhuis but they are all too much. DL needs to either re-sign simmonds/doughty/johnson this summer or act like he's re-signed them and save that cap space.

hockey is turning into basketball as far as salary cap goes in the sense that it's about guys with expiring contracts. i think DL will target a few players to trade for that are going into their last year of their deals. a couple of guys i can think of are Jeff Carter and Thomas Kaberle. we have quite a few young assets to trade and those guys can be had for less than market value because they will be UFA's next summer.

we have cap space for 2010-11 but we're going to up against it in 2011-12 with re-signing those guys. so if you add from the outside it needs to be guys that you can fit under the cap this year but not have to pay in the long term.

so i'm going to look for guys that are UFAs in 2011-12 and see who we can target in a trade to fill the holes we have. i hope that's what DL is doing as well.

and btw, i've heard jerome iginla's name being thrown around as someone we could target. he's a great player but if we sign him we lose at least johnson if not more as he's due $7M/year until 2012-13.

a couple of guys to target...

J.Pitkanen
M.St.Louis
D.Backes
A.Brunnette
T.Kaberle
C.Phillips
S.Gagne
J.Carter
P.Bergeron
J.Langenbruner
A.Markov
A.Semin
M.Knuble

We're not going to trade for a star rental player period. I just don't think DL would ever do that unless hes 1000000&#37; sure they would win the cup with the new guy

if they trade for him at the start of the season then it's not really a rental. i don't think he'd trade for a star for 6 weeks, but i think he'll do it for an entire season. and if it's a RFA like Carter then it makes even more sense.

i think the team has gotten to the point where there are more quality young players in the organization than there is room in the NHL. it used to be that Manchester was filled with so-so players that wouldn't even get a shot at the NHL, and if they did, they shouldn't have. now, there are plenty of strong prospects in the organization and we can't keep them all.

so let's trade a few of them (not the guys like schenn, bernier, loktionov, etc.) for guys that can help us win. especially if we're not ready to call up Schenn, Loktionov, Hickey, Clifford, etc., give them another year to develop and move guys that aren't the higher end prospects for guys that other teams can't afford.

why not see if Burke will take Moller and a pick for Kaberle. is Moller really going to be a top 6 guy for us? he doesn't really fit TM's philosophy as a 3rd or 4th liner. he's not great defensively and he doesn't bring a lot of grit. he's a small, scoring type that i don't think fits well here.

i'd rather have Kaberle play with Johnson for a year and give this team a chance to make a long run next year plus help guys like Johnson and Doughty get even better. and by the following year Hickey will be ready to take the spot he leaves.

or what about St. Louis? i'd love to have him on the top line with Kopitar and Smyth. or Langenbrunner to play the left side with stoll and brown. or even Brunnette to play the same place and improve our 2nd power play.

it won't take a ton to get a guy like Langenbruner or Brunnette. they have playoff experience, help on the power play and leadership plus the ability to score big goals.

i like that much better than spending $3-$4M/year on a guy like Volchenkov and then we can't re-sign Simmonds or Johnson because we killed our cap on Volchenkov.

I have to agree Ersy will be traded....and for cheap. As long as he doesn't go to the Maple Laughs or Les Hacks I'm good, but if he does.......well......I have a fire pit in my backyard. :sign0020:

for those that didn't see, Jonathan Bernier shut out Worcester tonight and Manchester took a 2-1 series lead in the 2nd round of the AHL Playoffs.

i have absolutely no doubt in my mind the Kings would still be playing had Bernier played instead of Quick against Vancouver.

it's not a slight on Vancouver as they played well - but goaltending was the difference and frankly Luongo didn't play well until the last couple of games of the series.

I'm now 100&#37; behind Bernier. Instead of wanting him traded, I want Quick traded. Not this year though. Trade Quick in the final year of his contract and get a good return on him.

Is this season over left? theres not a team left I like and I'm excited for our team next year.