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    New fantasy game for cards!

    Hi all,

    I'm starting a new fantasy-format game where you have an opportunity to purchase slots in a draft of 100 autographed and game-used cards from my collection. All 100 cards are autographed or game-used. Since basketball is the only sport in-season, this first round of competition will be fantasy basketball & basketball cards. The game will work as follows:

    1) I put out a list of 100 cards that are part of the game. This list is NOT subject to change... these cards are in my possession, and ALL will be distributed to the participants that buy in. The list of 100 cards is below.

    2) 10 slots are made available for purchase; each slot will be for 10 cards (10 participants * 10 cards each = the 100 cards in step 1). All participants will pay the same price - $35 per slot including shipping. You may purchase up to 2 slots.
    3) A random drawing will occur of all participants that will dictate the order of selecting a player, detailed in step 4 below.
    4) The participant who draws #1 will pick one basketball player for the week-long contest. #2 then gets to pick their player, and so on.
    5) At the end of the week, the participant whose player earned the most fantasy points (FPS per CBS Sportsline) for the week will get the #1 selection in a "draft" of the 100 cards available. The player with the 2nd most points will get pick 2, and so on.
    6) Draft of the 100 cards will continue in a "snake-style" format (the player who came in last / 10th place will get the #11 pick, 9th place gets the #12 pick, and by the time it gets back to the player with the highest points, they will get the final pick of the 2nd round, then the 1st pick of the 3rd round and will continue snaking until all 100 cards are chosen).
    7) to speed up the process of a 100 card draft, I will have all players submit and ordered list of their preferred cards... meaning each person gets the highest card on their list when their turn occurs.
    8) I ship each participant's drafted cards.

    For this first run of the game, please respond to this post if you are interested, and if you would like 1 or 2 slots. Once I deem there's enough interest, I will set a date for the game to begin, and I will contact those who indicated their interest on a first-come, first-served basis to officially sign up & pay. PLEASE don't hesitate to respond to this post if you have any questions - I want to clarify any questions you may have on this game! Here's the list of 100 cards that will part of this first contest.

    Player Brand Description Card # Serial # Condition Note
    Lonnie Walker IV 18/19 Absolute Level 2 Rookie Auto RA-LW4 24/25
    Steve Francis 99/00 Fleer Mystique Fresh Ink RC Auto EX – slightly worn corners and minor edge chipping
    Gordon Hayward 12/13 Panini Past & Present Breakout Auto 26
    Mark Jackson 13/14 Panini Totally Certified Totally Gold Prime Patch 36 5/10
    Nikola Vucevic 12/13 Panini Elite Rookie Inscriptions Auto 38
    Jaren Jackson Jr 18/19 Panini Certified Fabric of the Game JSY RC FG-JJ 106/149
    De'Anthony Melton 18/19 Panini Dominion Red RC JSY Auto 167 8/49
    JR Smith 04/05 Skybox LE Sky's the Limit Gold RC Prime 4-color patch SL-JS 16/25
    Anthony Davis 18/19 Prizm Sensational Swatches JSY 54
    Scottie Pippen 18/19 Prizm Sensational Swatches JSY 33
    Reggie Theus 13/14 Panini Titanium Metallic Marks Auto 12 173/299
    Troy Brown Jr 18/19 Absolute Limitless Gold RC Auto LS-TBR 85/99
    Rod Strickland 13/14 National Treasures Scripts Auto SC-RS 29/49
    Andre Miller 13/14 National Treasures Game Gear Signatures JSY Auto GS-AL 42/75
    Kevin Garnett 18/19 Absolute Established Threads JSY ET-KGN 74/75
    David Robinson 2004 UD Sweet Shot Sweet Swatches JSY SW-DR
    Karl Malone 01/02 Fleer Showcase Best of the West JSY
    Kris Humphries 2004 Upper Deck Three Point Shot RC Dual JSY Cut Auto 3PS-KH 42/43
    Brandan Wright / Julian Wright 07/08 SP Threads Dual Prime JSY RC DRT-WW 3/25 EX – worn corners
    Courtney Lee 18/19 Panini Dominion Main Exhibit Auto ME-CLE 7/49
    Rashad Vaughn 15/16 Contenders Draft Cracked Ice Auto 137 6/23
    Chris Paul 12/13 Panini Brilliance Game Time Jerseys (large swatch) 67
    Deyonta Davis 16/17 Panini Preferred Playbook Rookie Jumbo JSY Booklet 28 14/99
    Lonnie Walker IV 18/19 Panini Dominion Rookie Materials JSY RM-LW4 65/99
    Yao Ming 2005 Topps Finishing Touch JSY FT-YM
    R Gay / C Maggette 09/10 SP Game Used Combo Materials Dual JSY CM-CR 3/35
    Matt Barnes 10/11 Panini Season Update Game Week Prime Patch 29 17/49
    Theo Ratliff 15/16 Panini Threads Century Signtures Auto CS-TRF 91/199
    D Williams / J Johnson / A Blatche 13/14 Panini Intrigue Terrific Trios Triple JSY 2 88/199
    Jamal Murray 16/17 Panini Select JSY 20
    Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 18/19 Prizm Sensational Swatches JSY 95
    Grayson Allen 18/19 Prizm Sensational Swatches JSY 73
    Steve Nash 02/03 Topps Xpectations Xtra Threads JSY XT-SN
    Carmelo Anthony 04/05 Hopps Supreme Court JSY SC/CA
    Bruce Brown Jr 18/19 Panini Certified Certified Potential RC Auto CP-BB
    Dwight Howard 08/09 Upper Deck UD Game Jersey JSY GA-DH
    Chris Webber 05/06 Upper Deck UD Game Jersey JSY GJ-WE
    Chris Webber 2003 Upper Deck Sweet Shot Sweet Swatches JSY CW-SS
    Chris Bosh 04/05 Fleer Showcase Playmakers JSY PM-CB
    Tracy McGrady 02/03 Fleer Showcase Basketball's Best JSY 1
    Alonzo Mourning 07/08 Ultra Ultra Stars JSY US-5
    Walter Berry 13/14 Panini Immaculate Immaculate Standard Jumbo JSY 14 36/75
    Thaddeus Young 08/09 Topps Signature Auto TSA-TY 5525/5775
    Toni Kukoc 15/16 Panini Threads Century Collection Materials JSY 28 58/75
    Nate McMillan 1996 Skybox Autographics
    Hilton Armstrong 2006 Bowman Elevation Rookie Writings Blue Ice Auto RWA-HAR 55/79
    Chauncey Billups 04/05 Topps JSY Je-CBI
    Ben Wallace 04/05 Hoops Supreme Court JSY SC/BW
    Mike Conley 07/08 Bowman Draft RC JSY BR-MC
    Luol Deng 04/05 Black Diamond RC JSY BDJ-LD
    Sam Dekker 15/16 Select Gold Die-Cut Auto RC 20 44/60
    Leandro Barbosa 03/04 Finest RC Auto 168 580/999
    Andris Biedrins 04/05 SPX JSY Auto RC 125 1584/1999
    Anfernee Simmons 18/19 Prizm Sensational Swatches JSY 62
    Jarrett Allen 17/18 Select RC JSY DS-JAR
    Montrezl Harrell 15/16 Hoops Hot Signatures RC Auto HS-MHA
    Brad Miller 2006 Bowman Elevation Dual JSY BDDR-BM 40/79
    Anthony Brown 15/16 Panini Threads JSY Auto RC RTS-AB 17/199
    Trey Lyles 18/19 Prizm Auto S-TLY
    Gilbert Arenas 06/07 Bowman Sterling JSY 23
    Trevor Booker 13/14 Panini Preferred Crown Royale Red Auto 167 79/99
    John Salmons 2003 SP Authentic Rookie FX Auto 166 986/1500
    Justin Jackson 18/19 Panini Certified Rookie Roll Call Auto RRC-JUJ
    Alan Houston 03/04 Upper Deck UD Game Jersey JSY AH-J
    Ron Artest 06/07 SP Game Used Authentic Fabrics JSY 182
    Baron Davis 06/07 Ultra Kings of the Court JSY KK-BD
    Jermaine O'Neal 04/05 Upper Deck Hardcourt Player's Material JSY HM-JO
    Troy Daniels 16/17 Donruss Optic Signature Series 39
    Peja Stojakovic 03/04 Topps Pristine Pristine Gems JSY GEM-PS
    Jason Maxiell 2005 Sage Hit Reflect Bronze Auto RA46 15/100

    Elton Brand 02/03 Topps Ten FG Percentage JSY 62 479/750
    Rashard Lewis 04/05 Topps JSY Je-RL
    Carlos Boozer 2005 Bazooka Bazooka Power JSY BP-CB
    Norris Cole 12/13 Panini Crusade Quest Auto 66
    Brandon Bass 2005 Sage Hit Auto A30
    Adam Keefe 1998 Skybox Autographics
    Jeff Withey 13/14 Panini Elite Auto JSY RC RE-JW 66/599
    Zydrunas Ilgauskas 06/07 Upper Deck Hardcourt Hardcourt Materials JSY HM-ZI
    Kevin Murphy 12/13 Absolute RC Auto 217 392/399
    Josh Selby 12/13 Momentum Momentous Rookies Auto 85
    Bernard James 12/13 Prestige Prestigious Picks Auto 75
    David Harrison 2005 SP Authentic Rookie Authentics Auto 159 1218/1499
    Donta Smith 2004 UD Diamond Collection ProSigs Auto PS-DS
    Maciej Lampe 03/04 SP Signature Authentic Signatures AS-ML
    Caron Butler 02/03 Fleer Box Score Freshman Orientation JSY
    Josh Howard 2005 Upper Deck ESPN SportsCenter Swatches JSY SCS-JH
    Kenyon Martin 01/02 Fleer Premium Premium Performers JSY
    Chris Kaman 04/05 Topps JSY Je-CK
    Josh Childress 2005 Upper Deck ESPN SportsCenter Swatches JSY SCS-JC
    Antonio Anderson 09/10 Upper Deck Draft Auto 7
    Bobby Brown 09/10 Upper Deck Signature Collection 20
    Juan Dixon 2005 SP Game Used Authentic Fabrics JSY AF-JD
    Sarunas Jasikevicius 05/06 Bazooka Bazooka All Access JSY BAA-SJ
    Johan Petro 2005 Sage Hit Broze Auto A15 109/250
    Quentin Richardson 2002 Press Pass Dual JSY 90/100
    Angelo Gigli 2005 Sage Hit Reflect Bronze Auto RA12 75/100
    Quincy Lewis 1999 Press Pass Standout Signatures 62/100
    Jamal Magloire 2002 Press Pass JSY 30/300
    Roberto Bergersen 1999 Press Pass Auto
    Jamal Robinson Genuine Article Hardwood Series Auto 18 2451/7500

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    Hi all, I'd be happy to answer any questions if there's any confusion on the game. In a nutshell, you get 10 cards from that list (ALL auto or game-used) regardless of where you place in the game for $35 including shipping. I think there's good value here, several nice cards. I'd also be happy to accept any feedback or concerns, would like to know why folks aren't signing up. I thought this would be a fun game, with good value in cards (better than breaking a box for sure). If I can get enough people to sign up, will run the game for baseball and football as well when they're in season. Thanks for looking, and please let me know if there's anything I can do to alleviate concerns! -Ty

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    I wanted to give feedback/my thoughts on this...

    I am definitely interested in this idea and it would be so much fun! But with all due respect I think a better lot of 100 cards could be had for $350 American (shipping included so maybe $300 is more accurate). I understand the prize lots have to be differentiated for places 1 through 10, as it is a contest, but outside the top 2-3 winners, I couldn't justify spending that much for a lot of 10 of the remaining 70 to choose from that list.

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    Jeremy,

    Thank you for the feedback, I truly do appreciate it. I do want to be clear that the winner of the fantasy game does NOT receive the top 10 cards on the list. The winner gets the first overall pick (would assume the Lonnie Walker, then #2 gets to choose one card, and so on. By the time it gets to the last place finisher (#10 pick), they would also get the #11 pick (first pick of the 2nd round) due to the snake-draft format. Realistically, the last place finisher would get TWO (#10 pick and #11 pick) of the mega-star game-used or semistar (Reggie Theus, Strickland, Miller) autos.

    With regards to your comment that a better lot could be had for $300 USD, I tried to get this lot as close to that figure in value as possible. But I hear you. If this is the concern of others, I would like to hear it! I personally believe that it's VERY close. I'm not looking to "compensate" myself for my time of putting these lots together, running the game and sorting out each player's winnings, and shipping everything, but I also can't afford to take a huge hit on the value, especially with shipping costs. I really want this to be a fun game that we can run weekly while basketball/baseball/football are in season (sorry hockey fans, I just don't collect hockey). I want the value to be as fair as possible. I also feel it's not 100% fair to compare spending $350 on a huge lot (volume-discounted, not all folks can spend that much on one time on cards) to smaller $35 chunks. I absolutely believe that at minimum, the $35 cost on a share of this lot will yield you more value in cards on average than breaking a box, buying card shop singles, or even buying singles online and having them shipped.

    There's one other element I didn't discuss in my post, and that's the value of the draft format. You could very easily win the #9 pick, but get the 6th or 7th card on your list if other players choose different cards. This can, and likely will, occur in every round. I believe there's value in YOU getting to choose your own card preferences via your draft list.

    All that being said, thank you again for your feedback, it's truly appreciated, and I would welcome it from anyone else as well. Is there something specific I could do in your opinion to improve desirability? In other words, where is the list weak? I'd be perfectly willing to swap out some of the bottom cards on the list for more value in the mid-rounds for example, if that would help.

    Finally, a big thank you to scottkoz20 for your support!!

    -Ty

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    My apologies, somehow I missed the snake draft format and I really like that aspect of it. It makes this even better imo. To get a 100 card lot together in order to do this wouldn't be the easiest thing and would take quite some time, I do understand that. I think some of the cards taken at the end of the draft would be pretty difficult to move, but I do agree with you that for your money it definitely could have more value in buying a box..

    Just another note on the cards included in this lot, I noticed pretty much every card is a game used or auto.. I'd be open to some lower end rookies of well known, or up and coming players' cards that are still at low prices but could increase in value as they're careers untold, rather than retired players who were fringe stars/decent players.

    Again just giving you my thoughts. I will keep an eye on this to see how it develops and I am definitely interested.

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    Thanks Jer. I thought about adding rookies and nicer inserts, and I likely will in future versions of the game, but to keep it clean and easy I wanted to stick with "hits only" for this first version. Thank you very much for your interest, and again thank you for the feedback. I'll absolutely let you know how this develops, and will get this going if I can get some more interest. I'd also be willing to cut the list down to 50 and do 5 slots if I can get 3-5 people at one or two slots apiece.

    One more point to all, I take card security seriously - every card will be toploaded and the lot team-bagged when shipped.

    Thanks again,
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    My feedback, since you asked....there's about three cards on the list that I'd definitely shell out cash for at a show if the prices was right, and a handful I'd possibly be interested in under the right circumstances. Then, there's a ton that I would never have any interest in. Putting up the fee on the front end doesn't guarantee I get something I want, but DOES guarantee I get a bunch of stuff I don't want.

    The $35 is a reasonable fee for the quantity of cards the buyer ends up with, and there are enough good names on the list, but the overwhelming majority of those cards just don't do anything for me personally.

    We periodically used to have card drafts on here, where someone ran it, everyone sent in a bunch of cards, and then we drafted and got what we chose at the end. Same situation with ending up with stuff I don't care about, but at least I was moving some of my own stuff I don't care about in the process (with no out-of-pocket cost except postage).

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    jmintz, that's a completely fair perspective, and I thank you for the feedback. This card list may not appeal to people who are high-end-only collectors. I also considered different versions of this game with high-end only, or a cheaper-priced lower-end version. Ultimately, I had to land on one list; which in this case is moderate price, moderate quality, "hits only". If I can get going, I can absolutely mix up the game each week, with different lists that appeal to different collectors. I'm ultimately going for a fun game of fair value that different people can play each week based on which card lists appeal to them... while knowing that it's impossible to please everyone each week (some folks may be turned off by game where they get only one high-end card, for example).

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    Very creative and thought-out approach to moving cards that you don't want. It has a lot of potential, but again the value just isn't there at $35/spot. If there were more autos of the 'name' players it might be different. You can do a lot with $35 on eBay these days, that's how I look at it anyway.

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