Why is Beckett on drugs? (pricing complaining)

[Kahnadah]

I have a 96-97 UD Collector's Choice MVP gold parallel insert of Gretzky. High value is $8. Multiplier says 2.5 to 6 times basic inserts. So, $20 to $48, right? No, Beckett says $15. ??? Which one is right? I don't want to trade away a $48 card for $15, and I don't want to ask $48 for a $15 card...even though the lowest value on the multiplier is $20! This isn't the only example either. 1983-84 OPC says Gretzky subset cards are $5 each, but there isn't a single Gretz from that set that books less than $20. I has a confuse! Halp!

[moose7766]

@Kahnadah youre using a book right, for beckett?

Their on-line price guide lists this as:

1996-97 Collector's Choice MVP Gold #UD1 Wayne Gretzky (BV: 15.00). Also for the1983-84 OPC Gretz subset cards, here are the current online values in Beckett below:
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #22 Wayne Gretzky TL 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #23 Mark Messier/Wayne Gretzky HL 40.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #203 Wayne Gretzky Hart 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #204 Wayne Gretzky Ross 20.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #212 Wayne Gretzky RB 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #215 Wayne Gretzky LL 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #216 Wayne Gretzky LL 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #217 Wayne Gretzky LL 25.00
Any other pricing just let me know!
Moose

I have a 96-97 UD Collector's Choice MVP gold parallel insert of Gretzky. High value is $8. Multiplier says 2.5 to 6 times basic inserts. So, $20 to $48, right? No, Beckett says $15. ??? Which one is right? I don't want to trade away a $48 card for $15, and I don't want to ask $48 for a $15 card...even though the lowest value on the multiplier is $20! This isn't the only example either. 1983-84 OPC says Gretzky subset cards are $5 each, but there isn't a single Gretz from that set that books less than $20. I has a confuse! Halp!

[MR.M's Cards]

beckett pricing has no relevance in the hobby

[09232003]

beckett pricing has no relevance in the hobby

so I am curious as to what you use to make trades, or sales
what sites are you getting info for BV.SV, TV to make your deals

[MR.M's Cards]

For sales ebay completed sales averages
For trades simply if it feels like a win for me
For buying i look at comc and factor in shipping and delivery time

[Kahnadah]

I used to use the book for the vintage stuff, I didn't have online at the time, but now I do have online that's what I use. My point is that the online guide is wrong, according to the rules it sets out. If you go to 96-97 Choice, select MVP Gold, there's info under "Header Lines" that says "*GOLD: 2.5X TO 6X BASIC INSERTS". $15 for the Gretzky makes no sense, as the lowest value the header line gives is $20. If you use that info, the prices are low value column $7.50 - $18, and high value column $20 - $48. $15 makes no sense, it doesn't match any of the values the multiplier gives. Golds were one in 35 packs, so $15 for that card just doesn't add up.

@Kahnadah youre using a book right, for beckett?

Their on-line price guide lists this as:

1996-97 Collector's Choice MVP Gold #UD1 Wayne Gretzky (BV: 15.00). Also for the1983-84 OPC Gretz subset cards, here are the current online values in Beckett below:
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #22 Wayne Gretzky TL 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #23 Mark Messier/Wayne Gretzky HL 40.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #203 Wayne Gretzky Hart 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #204 Wayne Gretzky Ross 20.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #212 Wayne Gretzky RB 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #215 Wayne Gretzky LL 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #216 Wayne Gretzky LL 25.00
1983-84 O-Pee-Chee #217 Wayne Gretzky LL 25.00
Any other pricing just let me know!
Moose

[moose7766]

Look, they are meant to be used as a guide, not an absolute. For lower end cards-inserts, they are fine as a bench mark. Really, with the amount of dealers on here, thats what you'll find being peddled anyways, Thing there is, most times if youre patient you can buy those same cards at probably half BV. For autos, vintage too, you dont use Beckett. Then again on this site, you certainly dont trade for vintage. many collectors have no idea what card condition is.

I used to use the book for the vintage stuff, I didn't have online at the time, but now I do have online that's what I use. My point is that the online guide is wrong, according to the rules it sets out. If you go to 96-97 Choice, select MVP Gold, there's info under "Header Lines" that says "*GOLD: 2.5X TO 6X BASIC INSERTS". $15 for the Gretzky makes no sense, as the lowest value the header line gives is $20. If you use that info, the prices are low value column $7.50 - $18, and high value column $20 - $48. $15 makes no sense, it doesn't match any of the values the multiplier gives. Golds were one in 35 packs, so $15 for that card just doesn't add up.

[Kahnadah]

I know it's not iron clad final word on prices. But I trade, not sell or buy, so having accurate prices is vital. If the guide can't get it right what are we supposed to do? If someone wants that card, is it $15 or $48? If I'm trading I don't want to take advantage of someone and I sure don't want to be taken advantage of. Like I said, I don't buy or sell here or anywhere else. If someone wants the card, and there are two totally different prices in the online Beckett what do we do? That's what I'm annoyed about.

Look, they are meant to be used as a guide, not an absolute. For lower end cards-inserts, they are fine as a bench mark. Really, with the amount of dealers on here, thats what you'll find being peddled anyways, Thing there is, most times if youre patient you can buy those same cards at probably half BV. For autos, vintage too, you dont use Beckett. Then again on this site, you certainly dont trade for vintage. many collectors have no idea what card condition is.

[doniceage]

I know it's not iron clad final word on prices. But I trade, not sell or buy, so having accurate prices is vital. If the guide can't get it right what are we supposed to do? If someone wants that card, is it $15 or $48? If I'm trading I don't want to take advantage of someone and I sure don't want to be taken advantage of. Like I said, I don't buy or sell here or anywhere else. If someone wants the card, and there are two totally different prices in the online Beckett what do we do? That's what I'm annoyed about.

Whatever works for you is what you shoudl do. As long as you keep doing it the same way it all good.

People have been using Beckett for years to take advantage of people forever.
1) Find those crazy cards that are priced high in the Beckett price guide but sell low on eBay and trade according to Beckett. Of course, if the situation were reversed, they would use eBay, not Beckett.
2) Beckett takes your money for pricing, but their OPG and Beckett magazine have two different prices for the same cards. You would think they would be on top of it, but they have always had issues over the years

DON

[Cunnuc]

Consider your cards as pieces of art. It's worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

I have always said Beckett is like what someone is willing to pay for a single card if that card is the last card they need in a 200 card set. If they need that last card to finish the set they are willing to pay XY amount for it. 99% chance you can get that card somewhere else for less than half of whatever Beckett says.

If people are buying older cards they should have done enough due diligence to know what the card is worth and what they are willing to pay. If you are confused about why a card in Beckett says $15 when the math says $48 then you assume it's $48 and you ask for around that much. If the recipient says no, that's too much then you know the card is closer to the $15 than the $48.

I do not use Beckett at all because it is obsolete in my eyes. It's absolutely worthless in my eyes. I understand if people want to trade in BV and that is fine with me. You see it less and less as time goes on.

Just my 2 cents.