The bible - fact or fiction???

[AUTaxMan]

You are out of your league so I'd stop while you are ahead. It's no where near the same. Where in the bible does it instruct us to kill the infidel if he doesn't convert? Just wondering...

I'm truly saddened by the misinformed preconceived notions that the non-believers in this thread have about the Christian faith because it shows that we as a church have not done a very good job of letting people know who we are and what we believe.

Aside from that, it really frustrates me that while they claim to know what we believe, they will not take our word for it when we refute their erroneous assumptions about our faith. At the same time, however, we are ridiculed for being close-minded about opposing viewpoints.

It's a double-standard. It's ignorant. And it's disingenuous.

Sorry for the rant.

[habsheaven]

I'd love to hear it. No glass house here. I know what I believe and what my religion stands for.

You were not commenting on YOUR religion, you were commenting on someone else's.

[habsheaven]

I'm truly saddened by the misinformed preconceived notions that the non-believers in this thread have about the Christian faith because it shows that we as a church have not done a very good job of letting people know who we are and what we believe.

Aside from that, it really frustrates me that while they claim to know what we believe, they will not take our word for it when we refute their erroneous assumptions about our faith. At the same time, however, we are ridiculed for being close-minded about opposing viewpoints.

It's a double-standard. It's ignorant. And it's disingenuous.

Sorry for the rant.

You are such a hyprocrit. You just insulted Islam three or four posts back and have the nerve to post this comment.

[sanfran22]

I'm truly saddened by the misinformed preconceived notions that the non-believers in this thread have about the Christian faith because it shows that we as a church have not done a very good job of letting people know who we are and what we believe.

Aside from that, it really frustrates me that while they claim to know what we believe, they will not take our word for it when we refute their erroneous assumptions about our faith. At the same time, however, we are ridiculed for being close-minded about opposing viewpoints.

It's a double-standard. It's ignorant. And it's disingenuous.

Sorry for the rant.

I hear ya.....Only can pray their hardened hearts will soften. You've done your job and planted the seed. It's out of your hands....

[AUTaxMan]

You were not commenting on YOUR religion, you were commenting on someone else's.

After reading this, I am even more convinced:

http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/g...lam_peace.html

[AUTaxMan]

You are such a hyprocrit. You just insulted Islam three or four posts back and have the nerve to post this comment.

How am I being hypocritical? I have studied Islam and many other religions. I actually just finished a class on world religions in which we studied many of the world's popular religions. Where has anyone refuted what was posted about Islam? I have made an informed decision about my faith, and I stand by my comment.

[mrveggieman]

"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.[17]
"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).
"for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22

Christians teach that if there is something controversial in the bible not to only quote that verse but the read the 5 verses before and afterwards for better understanding. Have you gave the Koran the same respect by reading the 5 verses before and after you picked and choosed verses to suit your own argument? If so please post and give me your spin on it. I WONT be holding my breath waiting for you.

[AUTaxMan]

Christians teach that if there is something controversial in the bible not to only quote that verse but the read the 5 verses before and afterwards for better understanding. Have you gave the Koran the same respect by reading the 5 verses before and after you picked and choosed verses to suit your own argument? If so please post and give me your spin on it. I WONT be holding my breath waiting for you.

Read the article I posted above.

[habsheaven]

You are out of your league so I'd stop while you are ahead. It's no where near the same. Where in the bible does it instruct us to kill the infidel if he doesn't convert? Just wondering...

What are they talking about here?

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

[Star_Cards]

"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.[17]
"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).
"for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22

I by no means want to stick up for Islam or any religion for that matter, but I find this post is a bit hypocritical. Most of the biblical passages posted by non believers in this thread has been said to have been taken out of context or wasn't meant to be translated literally. How do we know that these aren't as well?

I won't say that there's not some very disturbing text that you posted above, but I'd think that is one religious man request full context of his religious text he would respect that of another religion.