05-06 Beehive question

[StuBedaso]

I broke a box yesterday. No auto's, and Crosby was annoyingly absent, but I did manage to pull a Matte rookie card.

I have pulled other Matte cards from the regular set, and they are #'d /100, and the "B" word has the multiplier on them listed at "6X - 15X base card high".

The Matte RCs, however, are listed as "1.5X- 4X base high". And, they are #'d /25. Okay.... Sure.


But, and here's my question, Crosby's Matte RC /25 is listed at $500 - $1000. How can that be if his base RC in the set is booking at $60?

Math has never been my strong suit, but I'm fairly certain that 60 X 4 is NOT 1000.

Is this just a case of Crosby going for a tonne, simply because he's Sid?

BTW, it is NOT a Crosby that I pulled. Just trying to make sense of the multiplier discrepancy. Thanks.

[RGM81]

Being Crosby, sometimes there are exceptions to the rule. While the normal parallels may not attract the added interest, the Crosby RC parallel may have had a couple huge sales early as player collectors fought over a card they felt they may not get another crack at adding to their collections.

[CoolHandLuke]

The way they work is they determine a multiplier and then take the base set and apply the multiplier and then write the BV with that. Does they make sense. No idea since I was not collecting back in that year. Do the BV make sense today, well I have some and never was able to move one or more. Would I move 1000$ cards to get a matte crosby, the answer is no. This is the issue that so many decribe about them and why some stop using it. I know I still use it for lower end cards as a guide and nothing else. At time they are on the money at other time and they are totally off.

Also often if they see a few sales, they will base on this and this could have been case of shill bidding, bidding war and other type of crazy auction and then it just make the BV very off from what other would pay.

Also remember that when moving older cards Like here 5 plus years, some will retain their real market value but for the majority, you may just end up never moving them if you stick to BV they had put out back in the days.

We see this very often. Like latly somone wanted some recent cards of mine. We eneded up make a one and one trade for 50$ BV. But he wanted more cards, easy to move because of the player and the recent factor for cards llike ITG gold of theodore, no memorabilia, just a known print run of 30 and the card was booking like 40$. Do I have a interest other then the jersey they were, I mean theodore is just a #1 or #2 goaltender that never really did that great. Do I collect him or other collect him, no for the most part. I hunt for Habs cards and most bucket that do have some have plenty of him, why, because no one wants him. Simple as that. So does a 40$ card will interest me, no. If the member would have said, I will trade it at 50% of the BV, then maybe I would. Also I traded for a Ryder card booking 50$. Is he collected by habs fan, never saw one collector myself and since he has been traded to Boston, probably many that did back in the days, dump them. But the card was about one of the first out door match and this is the only reason I traded for it at that value.

If it was Crosby matte, I am sure you could get a good trade but at what BV, you would need to ask Crosby collector what they would trade for. Mainly I know when someone want some of my older cards, I will consider that today they might only leave my box if I am willing to play of said value. But some cards and they are rare, will retain the value. So not one rule but always keep in mind that BV is mostly never ajusted and not based for all cards on real sale price. They leasn to do match calculation and this is why they should only be a indicator.

A good way is to research ebay final sale to see if some sold latly. If not then maybe consider if you want to move them or not if somone show interest. In know I would as there is still plenty of boxes out threre and was the product such a success if so many boxes are out there?

I started to collect again only in 2007 and the one I have are bought in 2008. I still see many boxes at card show. Other could well have a different opinion but I never see them moving much, not like parkhurst auto set from the same time. I see plenty trying to finish the set. BV do not matter much if there is not much demand. All a question of are there taker for these and if they are, are they like me only trying to move low end cards I would never move other wise. I know I would not move hot cards to get matte cards of Montreal. I rather buy a box and have the fun off opening the product.

So many release a year that focus move fast from a brand to a other. While you can move some cards during the first month, they always get harder to move once the fuzz is down.

So all a question of offer and demand in the end no matter what other say they are worth.

[Wickabee]

Just about every parallel set has a card or 4 like this. Usually the parallel is actually lower than the base+multiplier. As a hypothetical, a Stamkos RC is $100, the parallel multliplier if 4x, but the parallel is individually listed as $250 or something like that.
I think it's fairly rare that the parallel is valued higher than base x multiplier, but I could be wrong.

[StuBedaso]

Okay, thanks guys!