2011 12 Ultimate Signatures

[oline73]

Does anyone know the print run on these? I find it odd that the ultimate signatures cards aren't #'ed but the base cards are.

Also I found this online

Group A - 1:141 packs

US-EL Eric Lindros, Philadelphia Flyers
US-GR Wayne Gretzky, Team Canada
US-ML Mario Lemieux, Pittsburgh Penguins
US-MM Mark Messier, Edmonton Oilers
US-SA Joe Sakic, Colorado Avalanche
US-SD Sidney Crosby, Team Canada
US-SS Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning
Group B - 1:50 packs

US-AH Adam Henrique, Team Canada
US-CN Brett Connolly, Team Canada
US-CR Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins
US-CU Sean Couturier, Team Canada
US-NU Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Team Canada
US-SF Mark Scheifele, Team Canada
US-WG Wayne Gretzky, Los Angeles Kings
Group C - 1:24 packs

US-CP Carey Price, Montreal Canadiens
US-DH Dany Heatley, Minnesota Wild
US-JS Jeff Skinner, Carolina Hurricanes
US-KN Patrick Kane, Chicago Blackhawks
US-NH Nathan Horton, Boston Bruins
US-RK Ryan Kesler, Vancouver Canucks
US-RY Patrick Roy, Montreal Canadiens
US-ST Jordan Staal, Pittsburgh Penguins
US-TH Taylor Hall, Edmonton Oilers
US-TO Jonathan Toews, Chicago Blackhawks
Group D - 1:9 packs

US-BO Bobby Orr, Boston Bruins
US-EM Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh Penguins
US-GC Guy Carbonneau, Montreal Canadiens
US-GL Gabriel Landeskog, Colorado Avalanche
US-PK P.K. Subban, Montreal Canadiens
US-RG Ryan Getzlaf, Anaheim Ducks
US-RN Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Edmonton Oilers
US-TS Tyler Seguin, Boston Bruins
Group E - 1:3 packs

US-BC Brett Connolly, Tampa Bay Lightning
US-BR Bobby Ryan, Anaheim Ducks
US-BS Brayden Schenn, Team Canada
US-CH Cody Hodgson, Vancouver Canucks
US-JC Joe Colborne, Toronto Maple Leafs
US-JP Joe Pavelski, San Jose Sharks
US-JT John Tavares, New York Islanders
US-LC Logan Couture, San Jose Sharks
US-MD Matt Duchene, Colorado Avalanche
US-MF Matt Frattin, Toronto Maple Leafs
US-MS Mark Scheifele, Winnipeg Jets
US-RL Reggie Leach, Philadelphia Flyers
US-RM Rick MacLeish, Philadelphia Flyers
US-SC Sean Couturier, Philadelphia Flyers
US-TV Tomas Vokoun, Washington Capitals

http://www.cardboardconnection.com/2...t-prints-guide

Is it me or do those groupings seem kind of odd. Mostly that Orr would be in the group that he is.

[dahabsfan]

The groupings really don't tell you a whole lot about any specific card. There are most definitely SP's WITHIN each grouping which make the actual published odds mean very little. It used to be much better when UD was straight up with the numbers and SP info but that is long gone.

Darren

[Craig2]

There are 15 Bobby Orr Ultimate Sigs currently on Ebay...it seems like not long ago his autos were tough to find, but now they're becoming very common.

I wonder about the long-term value of these stars' autos when they keep churning out so many products.

[oline73]

Yeah I have noticed a lot more orr autos being pulled. I've been looking and couldn't find a lindros ultimate signature. And it seems that every few breaks someone is pulling a leach or Macleisch auto

[RGM81]

The groupings really don't tell you a whole lot about any specific card. There are most definitely SP's WITHIN each grouping which make the actual published odds mean very little. It used to be much better when UD was straight up with the numbers and SP info but that is long gone.

Darren

Well said. I get their argument to some extent that they want to keep people interested and intrigued so they buy the product, but if I pull a Group A auto I'd like to have a bit of an idea as to the print run so that when I trade/sell it I don't short-change myself.